NeverarGreat

There are two big changes that I intend for V2.

The first is to insert a scene where Leia is told that the Senate is scrambling the defense fleet in response to Kor Sella’s report, but that it won’t be ready by the time the Starkiller fires. This scene is practically finished except for timecode removal.

The second change is to insert a scene where Rey fixes R2 at the end of the film, allowing him to wake up and find the map. In the introduction to R2 scene, I would portray him with panels hanging off and generally the worse for wear. Those scenes need some work, as well as timecode removal.

Also, If I were feeling ambitious I may try to put together an extended scene of the Falcon’s journey to find Luke at the end of the film.

There are a few smaller changes I’d make as well, such as changing the crawl again and adding some lines of dialogue, and perhaps reworking the scenes after the Falcon crash lands on Starkiller Base.

Afraid not. I’ve been working on a non-Star Wars project and I’d like to finish it up before re-subscribing to the Adobe products and returning to work on V2.

I don’t think there’s any evidence that Luke took the dice off the Falcon, so Leia could very well have them as a keepsake.

DZ-330 said:

Sirius said:

What bothers me most about the show is the fact that it is something made strictly for those who watched Rebels.

The problem is that they had stated MULTIPLE times before the series aired that it was basically Rebels, Season 5. Watching Rebels beforehand is a requirement to understand what is happening in the show.

So it is kind of funny to me that people complain about that as a weak point for the show, the solution is easy… watch Rebels first. This show is a SEQUEL. Are you going to watch Jedi before Empire? Or Last Jedi before Force Awakens?

So why not just make it animated and call it Rebels Season 5?

Making it live action implies that it’s a continuation of the current live action shows like Mando Season 2 where Ashoka showed up previously. It’s totally understandable why average viewers are confused that they have to watch an animated kids show set before the Galactic Civil War to understand what’s happening in a presumably adult-oriented post-Galactic Civil War show.

The worst part for me is the implication that the medium has no bearing on the message, which is simply not true. You can’t expect a character in animation to read the same when ported to live action, and vice versa. This is not to say that one medium is better than another, but to treat them as interchangeable is ludicrous.

Delpheas said:

NeverarGreat said:

Change Obi-wan’s dialogue in ANH so that TROS’s TIE fighter antics make sense:

“It followed us!”
“No, it’s a short range fighter. However, certain larger TIE variants, such as that piloted by Darth Vader, are equipped with a Hyperdrive. Regardless, this ship probably originated in this system.”
“There aren’t any bases around here, where’d it come from?”

…

“A fighter that size couldn’t get this deep into space on its own. However, I must admit that the Empire may be capable of producing TIE fighters with Hyperdrive capability while retaining precisely the same dimensions and appearance, which would render this conversation, and by extension my troubling military deduction, entirely pointless.”
“He must’ve gotten lost in part of a convoy or something.”

I know this is a joke thread, but…

I think we can easily assume that the Tie Defender upgrades are passed into the FO TIE models. The FO has had decades to improve on the Thrawn/Zsinj Defender.

I was more referencing the regular Imperial TIE fighter that Ben took from the Second Death Star wreckage to Exegol.

Yeah, Final Order is dumb. Might as well not name it at that point.

DominicCobb said:

Personally I always felt that the film makes a clear implication that the power comes from the bond of the dyad.

The lifeforce of your bond… a dyad in the Force. A power like life itself. Unseen for generations. And now… the power of two restores the one, true Emperor.

(and then he drains their energy - nearly killing them - and restores his damaged body)

The only thing that confuses this is that Grogu has the power in the Mandalorian, but then you’re dealing with stuff outside the movie.

This is the first I’ve heard that the Force healing came from the dyad. It also seems like Palps can only use this power when they are together, which doesn’t explain Rey’s healing the snake.

If the intention was clear, it sure seems like a lot of people completely missed it.

JEDIT: This isn’t to say I dislike the idea. It’s pretty good, but it would make more sense if the life transfer power only worked to transfer life force from one member of the dyad to another (except for Palps warping it using his own power). The issue again is the snake, which argues that this is just a power that Rey has.

Ah yeah that stinks. Of course, Hal still has to chime in and he may say to keep the shot as it is planned. No harm in waiting a bit before doing any more work on this.

But if everyone thinks this is the way to go, I can have the new drawings and mockups done pretty quick.

Indeed. But we don’t want to let TROS off the hook too easily. Edit in additional lines when the TIE fighters follow the Falcon into Hyperspace:

Threepio: “Ah! They fly fast now!”
Finn: “They fly fast now?”
Poe: “They fly fast now.”

Also, and this is a related idea from the Radical Redux Thread, but when Rey is showing Leia the Wayfinder illustration she says ‘There are cyphers here I can’t read’, which may be an opportunity to show an illustration or two of the Sith Throne and the legends of its power to revive dead Sith. This would again be a rough little set of drawings placed on the page right before the Wayfinder page which would need to be vague, but if we see the shape of the Sith throne and some symbols it could go a long way to suggesting that the Throne was what allowed Palpatine to be revived and that destroying it would lend more finality to his defeat.

Of course, this idea doesn’t preclude any other interpretations of the final confrontation or require any other changes to the film.

It does make sense in that case to keep the Wayfinder in the first Jedi Text scene, and does lead into the next scene of Rey telling Leia about it.

So perhaps we should move the Force healing illustration to another page. There’s one Rey turns away from right at the beginning of that first scene, which is a page with a cutout including some more text. We could just delete the text from that cutout and place the illustration there. It would fit better there anyway, and be in the center of the page.

The trouble with that is it becomes a very blink-and-you-miss-it moment, but that may be fine if there’s a line later referencing the texts as her inspiration.

The nice thing about that solution is that we never see that page again, as she turns to the Wayfinder from the other direction in the second scene.

Change Obi-wan’s dialogue in ANH so that TROS’s TIE fighter antics make sense:

“It followed us!”
“No, it’s a short range fighter. However, certain larger TIE variants, such as that piloted by Darth Vader, are equipped with a Hyperdrive. Regardless, this ship probably originated in this system.”
“There aren’t any bases around here, where’d it come from?”

…

“A fighter that size couldn’t get this deep into space on its own. However, I must admit that the Empire may be capable of producing TIE fighters with Hyperdrive capability while retaining precisely the same dimensions and appearance, which would render this conversation, and by extension my troubling military deduction, entirely pointless.”
“He must’ve gotten lost in part of a convoy or something.”

I mean, there’s the idea that Anakin didn’t go to the Jedi Temple at the end and Obi-wan made up his Youngling killing to get Padme to lead him to Anakin…but that’s probably a bigger change than you were thinking about 😉

https://i.imgur.com/WYYm3qz.mp4

Hal 9000 said:

“The final order begins. Vader’s grandson has proved unworthy of the throne, but the girl must now be tested. Let her approach.”

I really like that!

Wonderful!

JEDIT: Yes, v1 is more seamless.

I think the first line sounds pretty great now.

The second line is a bit rough, but more for the words rather than the execution.

“We laid our weapons down.”
“All of you?”
“Yes, like you did! I don’t even know how it happened.”

Or if that doesn’t work, I think just deleting the second line and keeping the lines about how Finn started something and the troopers were following his example manages to get the point across.

RogueLeader said:

Honestly I think you’re better off spelling it out for the audience. It’s like, if I showed this to someone who wasn’t an Uber-fan, I’d want them to be able to tell me at the end of the movie, “Oh yeah, the throne had the power to keep the bad guy alive, so Rey destroyed it!” I might be wrong though!

It’s interesting, I came up with the throne artifact idea only after ignoring the larger trilogy, characters, and themes of Star Wars and just looked at the stuff in this movie, so it may actually be easier for a non-fan to get it than someone who is looking for a deeper character or thematic meaning in everything. In a lot of ways this film is really a throwback to old fantasy and monster movies where the only thing that matters is in revealing the Vampire’s weakness to light or destroying Sauron’s ring.

Kylo: Show me.
Palpatine/Vader: Join me.
Ben: Grandfather.
Anakin: Palpatine lies!
Palpatine: I can give you…
Anakin: I brought you together.
Palpatine: everything…
Anakin: A dyad in the Force.
Palpatine: The Throne…
Anakin: Balance.
Palpatine: Power.
Shots of dark Rey and Kylo.
Anakin: No!!

I like this! And since Palpatine knows the term, it makes sense that Anakin knows it too. Though I assume Palpatine can hear Anakin and is fighting against him for Kylo’s attention, so it is a bit odd that he would act surprised that Kylo and Rey are a Dyad at the end of the film.

Great thoughts! I was trying to figure out how to work the dyad angle in, and your idea makes sense.

That’s also a good idea about the Threepio line. I’ll admit I don’t have this movie nearly as memorized as the others.

I wonder if singling out the throne as an object of death-defeating power is too obvious here. Perhaps the line doesn’t need to be changed too terribly much:

“Exegol does not appear on any star chart, but legend describes it as the Eternal Throne of the Sith.”

Or perhaps “…legend describes it as the Throne of the Sith Eternal”, since that is actually the name of their sect.

This hopefully gets across that the power of the place is in the throne while not spelling it out completely. It also gives some idea of what the power does, namely, defeat death.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I for one think the only hole that needs patching in TLJ is Holdo. There is a clearly ADR dialog spoken when she says “I’ve dealt with plenty of trigger happy flyboys like you.”

The idea would be to replace that with something like “But there could be a First Order informant on board.”

So the whole thing would go as follows: “Of course you do. I understand. But there could be a First Order informant on board. You’re impulsive, dangerous, and the last thing we need right now. So stick to your post, and follow your orders.”

Changing that line so extensively would probably clash with the rest of the scene, though.

“I just want to know what’s going on.”
“Of course you do. I understand. But what I want is a captain I can trust. You’re impulsive…dangerous…and the last thing we need right now.”

This keeps the suggestion that there may be those among the crew that are less than trustworty, while focusing the conversation on the real sticking point between these two characters. It’s important that we don’t make Holdo so transparent in her reasoning that we think Poe is the unreasonable one…there still needs to be a communication breakdown between them.

I like your latest vision, though I do think the saber breaking is a bit odd. I’ve found in general, the simpler the better with visions.

NFBisms said:

I love Hayden Christensen

Tell him, not us.

Watching it again, I don’t even think that we would need to paint out any lightning. He could keep getting hit as long as we see the throne get a direct hit or two as well. It is after all not a Star Wars trilogy without Palpatine getting a facefull of his own lightning 😉

Huh, didn’t even notice that he wasn’t zapping her. Where did that lightning come from?!

But for this idea, I imagine that Rey advances with the two sabers against Palpatine. Some of her lightning begins to strike his head and blinds him, and then she does one push with them which sends the lightning over his head to hit the throne. Cut to the wide shot and the throne lighting up with this power. Cut to the shot of Palpatine’s head disintegrating in time with the throne, and then Rey sends that final push of lightning which pushes right through the disintegrating Palpatine and hits the throne full-on.

Maybe three shots would need to be altered, tops. The only reordered shot would be to put the wide shot of the throne right after her first push, before Palpy starts to really go to pieces.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

Apropos of nothing, but:

STAR WARS EPISODE IX

THRONE OF THE SITH

Consider:

Kylo tracks down a Sith Wayfinder on Mustafar, Darth Vader’s lair.

Rey has frightening visions during training, visions of herself on a dark throne.

The second Wayfinder is located in the Emperor’s throne room on the Death Star.

Both Snoke and Palpatine reborn originated on Exegol, brought to life through ‘Secrets only the Sith knew’.

Palpatine performs his most powerful acts in the vicinity of the throne on Exegol, and his most powerful act while sitting upon the throne.

Conclusion: The Throne in Exegol is the Sith’s source of power and the secret to their resurrection. The Wayfarers are a way of extending that power to the lairs of the two Sith that exist in the galaxy at any one time.

Suggested Edits:

• Give more emphasis to Rey’s vision of the Exegol throne.

• When Rey calls upon the Jedi for the final time, after the Jedi give their generic support, Yoda’s voice gives her a specific instruction: “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Knowledge…and defense.”

• When Rey turns over after hearing these voices, her hand strikes the ground as if touching this place for the first time. Just like when she touched Anakin’s lightsaber, she sees visions in her mind. She sees the Exegol throne, the Wayfarers, the Death Star throne, and, from somewhere, the image of Vader’s castle and his throne (perhaps taken from the Kenobi show). The answer comes to her mind: “The Throne.” The voice of Luke responds. “Yes, Rey. You have everything you need.”

• When Rey stands and confronts Palpatine, she is able to use the first saber to block his Force lightning, but when she uses the second saber, it is to direct some of the lightning in another direction. It flies over Palpatine’s head and strikes the throne, impacting it with tremendous force. The stone seat erupts with power and is destroyed, along with Palpatine and the entire fortress around them.

Benefits:

• It gives a reason for the Macguffin-heavy scavenger hunt over the course of the film, setting up these places of power to emphasize that they are important for understanding this revelation.

• It is more reasonable for Rey to use two sabers at the end, to protect herself as well as direct lightning elsewhere.

• It suggests that the Exegol throne is a powerful Sith artifact capable of returning Sith to life, and it also suggests that Snoke was another ancient Sith spirit brought back to life by this artifact.

• It reveals the difference between Jedi and Sith, and shows that Rey is a Jedi by her actions of thinking things through and protecting herself rather than using power to defeat her enemy. Furthermore, it is a symbolic rejection of the power that Palpatine represents.

• Finally, it explains why this defeat of the Sith is more final than any prior defeat, giving this story far more closure.

So what do you think?

This is a great idea although I wonder if it’s one of those situations where it would have been better if they had just written it that way - worried about adding yet another object of significance. But I can see the argument that it would actually focus things. Wonder how this would all be accomplished.

Well the major change would be a vision scene at the end like the ones Rey has from time to time throughout the ST, so it shouldn’t feel too out of place. The other edit would be some sort of effects shot of the throne getting hit by Force lightning, which probably deserves at least an insert shot. For this edit, you could add some AI voices throughout the film hinting at the final reveal, but it’s not necessary and everything could come from preexisting dialogue.

As for this idea cluttering an already cluttered movie with more stuff, I feel you and would definitely prefer a character-focused solution rather than an object-focused one, but as you say it may explain the preponderance of significant objects and turn it into a theme with a satisfying payoff instead of a storytelling crutch.

JEDIT: I also think this idea is stronger without the visible Jedi Force ghosts helping Rey, since this battle isn’t about power, light or dark. Rey is capable of accomplishing this on her own because she knows what needs to be done.