NeverarGreat

One of the lines of evidence pointing to Obi-wan being older than Guinness’s age would be the apparent age of Anakin at his death. He was played by Sebastian Shaw, who was about 78 at the time of filming. Assuming that Anakin is intended to be this old, If ROTJ took place around five years after ANH, that would mean that the birth of the twins occurred when Anakin was 54. This quite old, but not impossible by any means.

Also, if the Force allows people to live beyond their years, Anakin’s apparent old age in ROTJ could undercount his age as much as it could overcount it due to theories that the Dark Side may accelerate the aging process. As such, I tend to think that the actor’s age in ROTJ is a fair estimate.

If we conclude from this evidence that Anakin was middle-aged when the twins were born, this implies that either he killed the Jedi at this time, or that he killed the Jedi when he was younger and the twins were born years after he turned evil: “A young Jedi named Darth Vader…” Of course, ‘young Jedi’ to Obi-wan may mean anyone not pushing eighty. Recall that Yoda lived for 900 years.

With characters such as Han Solo not believing in the Jedi, it makes sense that the Jedi were mostly destroyed before Han was born, which means that Anakin could have begun killing the Jedi a decade before the birth of the twins, which would place the Empire’s start at thirty years before the battle of Yavin.

If this is accurate, then Obi-wan’s statement that Anakin was a young Jedi at the birth of the Empire makes a bit more sense, since he would have been about 44. This is still not ‘young’ as most people would define it, but even the current canon implies that most Jedi are old before they gain mastery of the Force.

The concept that the Empire arose over a ten year period of increasing strife and instability as the Jedi were hunted down and destroyed tracks better with Obi-wan’s statement about the ‘dark times’, and Luke’s astonishment that Obi-wan could have fought in the Clone Wars, since they presumably ended over ten years before Luke was born.

I remember George saying something about C-3PO like ‘he begins as a droid, he ends as a droid…he has a sad droid life in between’ I can’t find the exact quote though.

My impression is that he genuinely doesn’t think that the droids are sentient, and my theory that they gain sentience and true personhood with the passage of time is me giving the movies too much credit.

I won’t change my theory, though.

I know RogueLeader was working on an edit of ROTJ where Vader contacts Fett and orders him to capture Luke on Tatooine.

Yes, a 25GB version is now available via PM.

And another crawl, because it’s apparently tradition whenever I update this thread:

EPISODE VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

It is a time of despair.
Luke Skywalker, sworn to
rekindle the light of the
Jedi Order, has vanished.

Emboldened by the Jedi’s
absence, warriors of the
evil FIRST ORDER have
risen from the shadows
of an Imperial fortress to
subjugate distant worlds
beyond the reach of the
New Republic Starfleet.

Desperate to save these
beleaguered worlds, an
armed RESISTANCE loyal
to the New Republic has
sent its pilots on a quest
to find the last Jedi and
restore peace and justice
to the darkening stars…

That makes sense, but it may be better to have Lor San Tekka. It could be a voiceover as BB-8 races toward his tent:

“This is where Luke has gone. I wish I had found it sooner…but this will begin to make things right.”

Did some housekeeping on the first post and cleaned up dead links, and added a few more comparisons to the gallery.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

If I may - I’d also be willing to redo the AI dialog that currently exists using Poe’s own dialog as its reference. It will blend in much better that way.

That would be awesome!

Also, did you decide against Leia giving Maz the lightsaber in Rey’s vision and telling her to keep it safe?

Oh yeah, the plan hasn’t changed:

NeverarGreat said:

For V2:

• Incorporate the shot of Luke’s saber into Rey’s vision to explain where it came from
• New dialogue for TR-8R in his fight with Finn
• Revert the reveal of R2 to the original version except that R2 is more dilapidated
• A scene where Leia is informed that the Senate is mobilizing the fleet
• Reincorporated scenes of Kylo searching for Rey on Starkiller Base
• An extended series of scenes where Rey repairs R2 at the Resistance Base
• Hopefully craft a new scene of the Falcon traveling across the galaxy in the journey to Luke

DZ-330 said:

To help clear it up some, would a new AI line for Kylo work?

Kylo Ren:

• “The map to Skywalker. We know you found it. And now you’re going to give it to the First Order.”

• “The map to the first Jedi Temple, and possibly Skywalker. We know you found it. And now you’re going to give it to the First Order.”

Would this be because we don’t know if Luke is there on the island? I don’t really see why that distinction would be important.

There are two big changes that I intend for V2.

The first is to insert a scene where Leia is told that the Senate is scrambling the defense fleet in response to Kor Sella’s report, but that it won’t be ready by the time the Starkiller fires. This scene is practically finished except for timecode removal.

The second change is to insert a scene where Rey fixes R2 at the end of the film, allowing him to wake up and find the map. In the introduction to R2 scene, I would portray him with panels hanging off and generally the worse for wear. Those scenes need some work, as well as timecode removal.

Also, If I were feeling ambitious I may try to put together an extended scene of the Falcon’s journey to find Luke at the end of the film.

There are a few smaller changes I’d make as well, such as changing the crawl again and adding some lines of dialogue, and perhaps reworking the scenes after the Falcon crash lands on Starkiller Base.

Afraid not. I’ve been working on a non-Star Wars project and I’d like to finish it up before re-subscribing to the Adobe products and returning to work on V2.

I don’t think there’s any evidence that Luke took the dice off the Falcon, so Leia could very well have them as a keepsake.

DZ-330 said:

Sirius said:

What bothers me most about the show is the fact that it is something made strictly for those who watched Rebels.

The problem is that they had stated MULTIPLE times before the series aired that it was basically Rebels, Season 5. Watching Rebels beforehand is a requirement to understand what is happening in the show.

So it is kind of funny to me that people complain about that as a weak point for the show, the solution is easy… watch Rebels first. This show is a SEQUEL. Are you going to watch Jedi before Empire? Or Last Jedi before Force Awakens?

So why not just make it animated and call it Rebels Season 5?

Making it live action implies that it’s a continuation of the current live action shows like Mando Season 2 where Ashoka showed up previously. It’s totally understandable why average viewers are confused that they have to watch an animated kids show set before the Galactic Civil War to understand what’s happening in a presumably adult-oriented post-Galactic Civil War show.

The worst part for me is the implication that the medium has no bearing on the message, which is simply not true. You can’t expect a character in animation to read the same when ported to live action, and vice versa. This is not to say that one medium is better than another, but to treat them as interchangeable is ludicrous.

Delpheas said:

NeverarGreat said:

Change Obi-wan’s dialogue in ANH so that TROS’s TIE fighter antics make sense:

“It followed us!”
“No, it’s a short range fighter. However, certain larger TIE variants, such as that piloted by Darth Vader, are equipped with a Hyperdrive. Regardless, this ship probably originated in this system.”
“There aren’t any bases around here, where’d it come from?”

…

“A fighter that size couldn’t get this deep into space on its own. However, I must admit that the Empire may be capable of producing TIE fighters with Hyperdrive capability while retaining precisely the same dimensions and appearance, which would render this conversation, and by extension my troubling military deduction, entirely pointless.”
“He must’ve gotten lost in part of a convoy or something.”

I know this is a joke thread, but…

I think we can easily assume that the Tie Defender upgrades are passed into the FO TIE models. The FO has had decades to improve on the Thrawn/Zsinj Defender.

I was more referencing the regular Imperial TIE fighter that Ben took from the Second Death Star wreckage to Exegol.

Yeah, Final Order is dumb. Might as well not name it at that point.

DominicCobb said:

Personally I always felt that the film makes a clear implication that the power comes from the bond of the dyad.

The lifeforce of your bond… a dyad in the Force. A power like life itself. Unseen for generations. And now… the power of two restores the one, true Emperor.

(and then he drains their energy - nearly killing them - and restores his damaged body)

The only thing that confuses this is that Grogu has the power in the Mandalorian, but then you’re dealing with stuff outside the movie.

This is the first I’ve heard that the Force healing came from the dyad. It also seems like Palps can only use this power when they are together, which doesn’t explain Rey’s healing the snake.

If the intention was clear, it sure seems like a lot of people completely missed it.

JEDIT: This isn’t to say I dislike the idea. It’s pretty good, but it would make more sense if the life transfer power only worked to transfer life force from one member of the dyad to another (except for Palps warping it using his own power). The issue again is the snake, which argues that this is just a power that Rey has.

Ah yeah that stinks. Of course, Hal still has to chime in and he may say to keep the shot as it is planned. No harm in waiting a bit before doing any more work on this.

But if everyone thinks this is the way to go, I can have the new drawings and mockups done pretty quick.

Indeed. But we don’t want to let TROS off the hook too easily. Edit in additional lines when the TIE fighters follow the Falcon into Hyperspace:

Threepio: “Ah! They fly fast now!”
Finn: “They fly fast now?”
Poe: “They fly fast now.”

Also, and this is a related idea from the Radical Redux Thread, but when Rey is showing Leia the Wayfinder illustration she says ‘There are cyphers here I can’t read’, which may be an opportunity to show an illustration or two of the Sith Throne and the legends of its power to revive dead Sith. This would again be a rough little set of drawings placed on the page right before the Wayfinder page which would need to be vague, but if we see the shape of the Sith throne and some symbols it could go a long way to suggesting that the Throne was what allowed Palpatine to be revived and that destroying it would lend more finality to his defeat.

Of course, this idea doesn’t preclude any other interpretations of the final confrontation or require any other changes to the film.

It does make sense in that case to keep the Wayfinder in the first Jedi Text scene, and does lead into the next scene of Rey telling Leia about it.

So perhaps we should move the Force healing illustration to another page. There’s one Rey turns away from right at the beginning of that first scene, which is a page with a cutout including some more text. We could just delete the text from that cutout and place the illustration there. It would fit better there anyway, and be in the center of the page.

The trouble with that is it becomes a very blink-and-you-miss-it moment, but that may be fine if there’s a line later referencing the texts as her inspiration.

The nice thing about that solution is that we never see that page again, as she turns to the Wayfinder from the other direction in the second scene.

Change Obi-wan’s dialogue in ANH so that TROS’s TIE fighter antics make sense:

“It followed us!”
“No, it’s a short range fighter. However, certain larger TIE variants, such as that piloted by Darth Vader, are equipped with a Hyperdrive. Regardless, this ship probably originated in this system.”
“There aren’t any bases around here, where’d it come from?”

…

“A fighter that size couldn’t get this deep into space on its own. However, I must admit that the Empire may be capable of producing TIE fighters with Hyperdrive capability while retaining precisely the same dimensions and appearance, which would render this conversation, and by extension my troubling military deduction, entirely pointless.”
“He must’ve gotten lost in part of a convoy or something.”

I mean, there’s the idea that Anakin didn’t go to the Jedi Temple at the end and Obi-wan made up his Youngling killing to get Padme to lead him to Anakin…but that’s probably a bigger change than you were thinking about 😉

https://i.imgur.com/WYYm3qz.mp4

Hal 9000 said:

“The final order begins. Vader’s grandson has proved unworthy of the throne, but the girl must now be tested. Let her approach.”

I really like that!

Wonderful!

JEDIT: Yes, v1 is more seamless.

I think the first line sounds pretty great now.

The second line is a bit rough, but more for the words rather than the execution.

“We laid our weapons down.”
“All of you?”
“Yes, like you did! I don’t even know how it happened.”

Or if that doesn’t work, I think just deleting the second line and keeping the lines about how Finn started something and the troopers were following his example manages to get the point across.