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#1306301
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

regularjoe said:

If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.

No “if” about it; I don’t. In fact, I wish it were possible to retroactively make less Star Wars crap.

Not really related to the thread, but as much as like all the movies, I think it would be cool to do a “Revenge of the Jedi” edit that acts as the final Star Wars movie ever, in some alternate universe. Han dies, Leia isn’t Luke’s sister, etc.

I’d really like to see that.

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#1306266
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Best Viewing Order for Fans and First Timers: &quot;THE FLASHBACK&quot; Order
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joefavs said:

I think it would probably be fine for someone with no SW experience who wants to get in on the fun of TROS to skip right to the ST if they’re pressed for time; TFA is pretty much designed to be a secondary entry point.

I’m going to go several steps further and say that because of the existing Disney era material, the original film has become practically irrelevant to the Saga.

Here’s my bold viewing order:

TPM - AOTC - ROTS - Solo - RO - ESB - TFA - TLJ - TROS

Funny enough, the numbering of the episodes still basically works here.

The prequel trilogy is essential in establishing the ineffectiveness of the Jedi Order and the fall of Anakin/rise of Vader. It introduces Luke and Leia and hints at their future lives. It even gives Luke the binary sunset referenced in TLJ. The bridge from ROTS to ESB can be easily crossed with Solo and RO, since Solo introduces the only three characters left unintroduced in ROTS, Han, Chewie, and Lando. RO bridges the Rebellion gap with Bail Organa and implies that the Death Star will be destroyed through the sacrifice of Jyn and friends.

Skipping ANH for ESB loses very little in terms of continuity, since everyone has already been introduced in some form. Seeing Obi-wan as a ghost shows that he has died and giving Luke so many failures shows that he hasn’t matured into a true Jedi even though he has that potential, and can be trained further by Yoda. It also brings back Lando, giving some much appreciated continuity to his arc and prepares for his reappearance in TROS.

Skipping from ESB to TFA leaves a lot for the imagination to chew on since the crawl establishes that the First Order arose from the ashes of the Empire. This allows the previous heroes their victory without showing all the details. It could be implied that the Empire didn’t lose as decisively as was shown in ROTJ, and there is good reason for this new strength. Han is never shown to be a general in the Rebellion, so his character doesn’t really regress. Leia isn’t so heavily implied to be Luke’s equal in the Force, allowing her to slip more easily back into her prior role of Rebellion leader.

A big bonus to this order is that there is only ever one Death Star-esque plot (unless TROS recycles it yet again), so the Sequel trilogy gets a major boost right out of the gate. Finally, this saves the best for last if anyone wants to go back and watch ROTJ and ANH, allowing someone to appreciate each film for what it brings to the table as they (mostly) climb in quality throughout the marathon.

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#1306177
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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DominicCobb said:

I hope that when the inevitable saga box set comes out next year it includes some more TFA deleted scenes.

Like, what is this scene in this video at :28? Stormtroopers at dusk in the desert (but in the actual desert, not the set used for the opening scene). I’ve never seen this before…
https://youtu.be/P7xZV_26VYU?t=28

I saw a longer version of that shot used in another doc around the same time, can’t recall what it was now. Funny enough, I’ve recently considered the possibility of creating a very brief scene out of it (with their POV shots of the desert sandwiching it) as they track Finn from the TIE wreckage. The scene would have to be brightened and heavily cleaned of course, so I would guess that the original place for this footage was in the search for BB-8 the previous evening.

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#1306112
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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FunkyDays said:

Your_friendly_Imperial said:
-Hyperspace was a separate dimension which did not directly interact with Real Space

“Traveling through hyperspace ain’t like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?”

That has wide lattitude for interpretation. All he’s saying here is that there is some interaction between Hyperspace and stellar objects. In fact, if you took his statement literally the only way a Falcon-sized ship could fly directly through a star would be if the Falcon was only indirectly interacting with that object, otherwise the Falcon would be incinerated in the corona.

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#1306083
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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TFA in many ways was brilliant, but people tend to forget that brilliance because it has become part of the broader saga story and in that way its flaws become much more apparent. As a standalone experience it works gangbusters, but once people really stepped back and saw it as a continuation of a six-part series it feels a lot like a soft reboot. Similarly the ending works really well as a hook for the next installment but once that came out and failed to live up to many people’s expectations it too cast a pall over TFA.

Looking forward to TROS, a lot hangs in the balance in terms of how TFA will be viewed.

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#1306048
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

Man it is crazy how much the dialogue has changed between 2012 and now.

Right? I remember the hype for the new movies was pretty overwhelming back then, and it felt subversive to say stuff in praise of Lucas:

https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/656632

There’s a little vindication going on, yeah.

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#1305948
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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The small amount of screentime and size in shot would probably be a benefit though, since there is a potentially large library of Peter Cushing’s acting with which to train the AI for a brief shot with little to no emoting. enlarging the ROTS shot to place the deepfake and then shrinking it back down to normal would probably give more definition to the illusion.