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Still, it’s an odd naming convention since Restructured is a description of the primary edit while the other two names don’t really describe the changes.

It doesn’t really bug me though, and I don’t know how to fix it other than something like TLJ: A Collection of Minor Changes which Improve the Film and TROS: Desperately Trying to Save it in Post After the Warehouse Fire that Destroyed the Rest of Our Footage.

CourtlyHades296 said:

Multiplayer-only games have no appeal to me. I prefer single player offline games.

Yep.

Now get out of here with that dirty, popular opinion. Go on, git!

At the end of AOTC, insert a line at the end of the Dooku/Palpatine scene to imply that one of them was behind Shmi’s abduction and death.

Palpatine: You have paid the price for your lack of vision.
Luke: It’s because I’m so in love with you.
Palpatine: So love has blinded you?
Luke: Well, that’s not exactly what I meant.
Palpatine (smiling): It’s probably true.

Yeah, why on earth would you break a theme like that? Poor Tarkin always gets forgotten.

CMMAP said:

Octorox said:

I think nerdy forum geeks like us act broken.

+5

+6

https://i.imgur.com/RSbmUb2.mp4

Broom Kid said:

I don’t think that line needs to be cut - it makes sense as a reaction. Honestly, a lot of people when they first heard Palpatine was going to be in this movie reacted the same way, even though he’s right there laughing in the trailer.

“Wait, do we believe this” fits perfectly.

I’d argue that she should repeat that line every five minutes until the credits.

Yeah, it needs more of the Generals actually listening to it.

TPM - Selflessness Defeating Desire

AOTC - Selflessness Corrupted by Desire

ROTS - Desire leading to Destruction

ANH - The Will to Confront Evil Without

TESB - The Horror of Realizing Evil Within

ROTJ - Overcoming the Evil Within

TFA - The Wounds of Isolation

TLJ - Confronting the Failure which caused Isolation

TROS - Somehow, Palpatine Returned

Young Ben Solo studying under Master Luke

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Dude, you’re the one that will not stop. Please stop. If you don’t have an idea or a solution to what sparked people talking about The Last Jedi, you don’t need to reply.

I said we should move on. What more do you want?

As for the deleted scene thing, I don’t think it’s feasible to restore. The effects are so unfinished that it would take a professional VFX artist to restore. A shame too, since it’s such a great scene.

Get Corridor Crew on it!

Green Blue is not a creative color.

Slowing down the smoke and explosion would also help, since it would imply a much larger scale befitting the destroyer.

StarkillerAG said:

Movies Remastered said:

Was Grump Luke JJs idea? It seems to have come from Johnson.

Well, JJ kind of came up with the original idea. When talking about why Luke went away, Han says this line:

“He was training a new generation of Jedi. One boy, an apprentice, turned against him and destroyed it all. Luke felt responsible. He just walked away from everything.”

So the seeds were already planted in TFA, although Rian took that idea way beyond what JJ intended.

Actually, I think Rian didn’t take it far enough. Luke in TLJ puts a whole lot of emphasis on how he failed Kylo and almost glosses over the destruction of his school and students. That would have been reason enough for Luke to have ‘walked away from everything’, but Rian was too focused on his Rashomon angle to pick the low hanging fruit.

StarkillerAG said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

E. T. The Extra-Terrestrial is emotionally manipulative junk food.

Finally someone had the guts to say it!

I’ll go further: Spielberg isn’t a very good storyteller in the first place. He’s a great director of course, especially when coupled with a good script, but whenever he actually writes a story it typically turns out to be “emotionally manipulative junk food” as you described it.

He has the same problems as Lucas, just in the opposite direction. Whereas Lucas doesn’t add enough emotion to his stories, Spielberg adds too much emotion.

Lucas’s attempts at emotion are often childish; Spielberg’s are childlike.

Both of the directors require John Williams to elevate their material, but this doesn’t make E.T. any less excellent.

JadedSkywalker said:

The cut we have is the only cut. This is the version with the locked picture, foley, adr and score composed to a finished edit. There is no JJ Cut or Lucas cut period.
Though there is a ton of deleted scenes in unfinished shape that are left unreleased. I’m sure fans want a bunch of lowres dailies with greenscreen and no finished audio. I’m being sarcastic of course.
All 9 of the films have had material better left on the cutting room floor.

Deleted scenes are actually quite helpful in fanedits. TFA and TLJ each had a few that improve the film (and are totally useable in HD), and the deleted scenes in AOTC are often better than the ones in the final cut.

I’d love to have deleted scenes in whatever form they take.

So was this an unused/unfinished matte painting? It looks a lot better than the effect used in the film.

Indeed! I figured it was always improvisational, but this would make that more explicit.

I was experimenting with the Oscillator sabotage some more in preparation for the big revision, seeing if it would work to cut away from the explosion with some additional vfx:

https://vimeo.com/440162329

Password: fanedit

The next step is the big one, cutting Chewie’s rampage so he goes straight for the detonator and putting it all to the Hosnian destruction cue. That way Leia could theoretically be reacting to a one-two-three punch of Han, Chewie, and the Republic.

Broom Kid said:

There is no secret cut. He put out exactly what he wanted to put out. Nobody made him edit the movie the way he did. He did that on his own.

Source?

There do exist movies which were meddled in and/or extensively recut by parties other than the original director(s). Hell, we know 2 of the five newest Star Wars movies got this treatment. Granted there’s no solid evidence that this is what happened, but the alternative is that important pieces of the plot for TROS were cut because…it made a better movie?

Nobody really knows what went down on TROS, but if you see a body with dozens of stab wounds and severed limbs, maybe hesitate before calling it self-inflicted.

Yeah, that’s actually good.

All the way back to Star Wars, really.

Coming back to the final act of this film with over six months of distance, I am definitely feeling that the complexity in the Starkiller sequence does it a disservice. Right now the sequence is:

Han dies
Chewie detonates the charges
Leia sad
Lightsaber fights
Poe’s failed run
Ackbar and the 2 minute countdown
more lightsabers
weapon fires
Oscillator explodes
lightsabers stopped by chasm
Hosnian destruction
Leia sad again
Rey finds Finn
Hux talks to Snoke
Chewie and the Falcon

It’s just too complicated, the intercutting too fast for anything to land. In light of this, I definitely see the appeal of reverting the Starkiller sequence back to something more akin to Restructured 3.0.

I would remove the concept of the weapon recharging though, since I think it’s worth reassessing the idea that Poe and the pilots shouldn’t be taking ‘revenge’ on the Starkiller for the Hosnian destruction. It actually makes a lot of sense for Poe to be continuing the attack on Starkiller even after the mission has failed, since it is a straight line from that to TLJ’s “You start an attack, you follow it through.” A lot of the reason for this recharging plot point was due to considerations made before the release of TLJ, and I bet people would feel differently about this if it were being considered today. Furthermore, in my version Rey is being clearly driven towards a darker place with the destruction of her friends, and placing the Hosnian destruction alongside Han’s death mirrors this character movement for Poe.

So here’s a rough idea of a new sequence set to the Hosnian destruction music:

Han dies (cue Hosnian destruction music)
Han falls off bridge, weapon rumbling and possible exterior shot of weapon heating up
Chewie immediately detonates the charges where he stands, engulfing the wall in fire
Ackbar warns that the Oscillator is still functional, the Resistance officer says only “Admiral…”
First Order techs give Hux manual control, he orders the weapon to fire
Weapon fires, Poe and pilots react
Hosnian destruction
Leia reacts
Exterior of Oscillator, Finn and Rey running to the Falcon