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#1641415
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GOOD things about the prequels?
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Yet another reason for there to be a more nuanced difference between Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters. The Tatooine farmer garb would signify a Jedi Master who would be more humble and pursue the ways of teaching and peace. The black clothing would be the uniform of the Jedi Knights in service to the Old Republic, warrior monks who wield laser weapons and do battle with evil. That way, Anakin’s choice to shed his black appearance and reappear in humble peasant robes would signify that he has chosen the role of mentor to Luke like Ben and Yoda have done, while Luke is still wearing the black of the Jedi Knight.

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#1638623
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Bingowings said:

It was the timing of the sound and the sequential timing of the exterior and interior shots I was more concerned about.

Yeah, Threepio says ‘What’s that?’ and we hear distant sounds of metal on metal, as if it was those clamps locking onto the ship. Then we see the Rebels looking up and more of those distant metal clanging sounds. However, the next shot is still the ship being pulled into the Star Destroyer hangar with no hint that anything has physically interacted with the ship. We then hear more sounds, this time presumably the sounds of an umbilical passage being brought to the Tantive’s hatch, then the Tantive hatch is sliced with lasers.

The problem here is that the shot of the ship being pulled into the docking bay is out of place. It seems like it should go after Threepio says ‘This is madness!’. Then there would be no exterior shots of what is happening, and the viewer would be left to imagine it based on the sounds within the ship.

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#1632320
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I was just thinking about this movie again for some reason and had some ideas.

One of the biggest issues with the structure of the film IMO is that Rey goes to Palpatine after getting a pep-talk with Luke. Before this meeting, Rey feels like she’s on a dark path, but after this there’s no chance that she will take Palpatine up on any offer. Now, I’d already considered just deleting the Luke ghost meeting since it’s so worthless and actively deflates the stakes, but that would have resulted in too many continuity problems. So what if instead of Rey going to meet Luke, it is Kylo?

Imagine: After Kylo has his talk with Han and throws away his lightsaber, he takes an advanced TIE Interceptor from the Death Star wreckage to Luke’s island, where he intends to stay and atone for his sins in isolation. He burns his ship and stands there before it. Just use Rey standing in front of the burning ship and replace it with an image of Kylo from behind. Then we can have Luke’s voice appear to him, saying ‘Ben.’ Then Ben can say ‘She’s gone.’

Cut to Poe beside Leia’s bed wondering how she was able to win, and Lando telling him that they had each other.

The music of that scene segues into a scene in Luke’s hut, where Ben pulls the rock out of the wall and reveals Leia’s saber. Luke tells him about his mother and how she believed that someone would complete her journey. Ben, off screen, says how he’s not worthy to wield it, and that he doesn’t have what it takes. Luke replies that he has everything he needs.

We next combine the scenes of D-O and of R2 getting a strange message from an old X-wing. Finn and Poe assume that this is Rey leading them to Exegol, but in fact it’s Ben in the X-wing.

Cut any shot of Rey in the X-wing, replacing them with shots of Kylo’s TIE fighter from the first scenes of the film when necessary. Rey arrives believing herself unworthy of the mission, ready only to take her revenge on Palpatine.

Palpatine says that Rey wants to kill him, and asks her ‘As a Jedi?’ She says yes, and he says 'No…your hatred…your anger…you want to kill me." And then in his mind, he continues “…That is what I want.” This unspoken thought echoes in Ben’s head as he races into the temple. Palpatine says to Rey “Kill me…” Then to Ben: “…and my spirit will pass into her. As all the Sith live in me…” then to Rey: “You will be Empress…” and then Ben hears in his head “…we will be one.”

Then later, to Rey, he says: “She will strike me down…” Then to Ben “…and pledge herself as a Sith.”

Palpatine is doing this gloating as a way of telling Ben that he has won, thinking that there is nothing Ben can do to stop him. But he doesn’t reckon with Ben and Rey’s connection in the Force.

In the scene where Ben fights the Knights of Ren, we see in one shot that he has Leia’s lightsaber on his belt but he doesn’t use it. He refuses to use Leia’s weapon, still believing that he is unworthy of it. Then he connects with Rey and together they agree to swap sabers. Rey drops Luke’s saber behind her back and Ben pulls it across space like in the film, then we see Leia’s saber already in Rey’s hand as she fights off the guards.

Then when Rey leaves Exegol at the end of the film, she’s in Luke’s X-wing for the first time.

Anyway, that’s quite a bit of work, but considering what we’re able to accomplish these days with editing, I don’t think it’s an impossible task by any means.

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#1627958
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Worst Edit Ideas
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Rors said:

Reedit A New Hope to be more in line with a Zack Snyder film: Add slow motion, remove all the corny lines of C-3PO to make his serious, Obi-Wan would tell the whole prequel trilogy story in a 10 minutes montage plus all the characters would say bad words, like Obi-Wan when fights against Darth Vader: “Only a master of fucking evil, Darth”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9X_FmCbrIA

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#1624652
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<strong>Skeleton Crew</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread
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I don’t have a Disney+ account anymore, but I was at least interested in the show based on the good reviews here until I saw a clip from it on Youtube and couldn’t make out what was happening because it was too dark. My actual reaction was to squint and try to make sense of it, then to shut off the video in frustration halfway through.

This specific problem isn’t limited to Star Wars shows either, I know that some of the new Star Trek shows are particularly bad in this regard, but it just makes no sense with Skeleton Crew. This is supposed to be a kid-friendly show with a lighter tone, I assume, so why bathe everything in sepulchral shadows?

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#1623467
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Terminator: Ultimatum
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Los Angeles

July 10, 2029

Nightfall

In the hills overlooking the ruins of West Hollywood, there is a bowl-shaped depression in the land, an amphitheater. The forgotten venue is lined with concrete stairs, which lie cracked and worn before the broken dome of a decades-ruined stage. A few gray acoustic spheres are still affixed above the stage, with others scattered at its base. Trash blows in the wind, plastic and styrofoam and leaves scattering over the desiccated ruin and revealing a damaged poster, laminated and still readable. A searchlight scans the ground, revealing its faded words: “The Damnation of Faust: By Hector Berlioz. Performed by Kent Nagano. August 21, 1997”. Below this, in italics: “The Day of Judgment”.

The searchlight passes over the poster and its light plays amid the shadows of the half-fallen dome. The source of the light is a large tank, its upper section swiveling like a torso, two massive guns slung on its sides like arms. The tank continues unhurried up the canyon, scanning the scrub and groundcover on either side of its programmed patrol.

In a natural hollow just above the ruined amphitheater, the glint of a polished lens is just visible in the dim night. Its owner, a middle-aged woman with a mass of brown hair tied in a bun, is lying on her stomach, the binoculars to her eyes. One of the lenses is broken, and she looks out of the other at the retreating tank. A low voice mutters behind her.

“I’ve gotta eat something, Cass. I’m starved. Want anything?”

The source of the voice is a young woman with a dark face and short black hair cropped almost military-style. She is gaunt, almost skeletal, and one of her arms is twisted and small, a sign of childhood malnutrition. She digs in a pouch with this hand, retrieving two shriveled bits of dried meat. She rips into one of them with her teeth, offering the other to the older woman. She doesn’t look away from the valley.

“More coyote?”

The young woman chews thoughtfully a moment, and the older woman reaches back and takes the piece of meat, bringing it to her mouth. Suddenly the young woman swallows and speaks.

“I think it’s dog.”

The old woman examines the meat, a sad frown creasing her face. “Poor Pronto.” She hands the meat back to the young woman, who looks at it then back at the older woman.

“Cass, you need to eat.”

The older woman returns to her vigil. “They’re getting bolder. They never came up this far before.”

The young woman peers over the lip of the depression at the tank. “There’s more of them too. Maybe Connor’s army has failed…and the machines are back in full production.”

The old woman takes the jerky from her companion, setting down her binoculars to look the young woman in the eye. “John Connor knows what he’s doing, Em. He saved us from hell back then. He saved you.” The old woman puts a hand on the young woman’s withered wrist. “I will never forget what he did for us.”

A grimace crosses the young woman’s face. “His words, you mean. You’ve never met the man in your life.”

The old woman smiles faintly. On her forearm a faint series of marks is visible, a tattoo in the form of a barcode. “You may not remember what it was like back then…but I do. Besides, you don’t need to meet someone for them to save you.”

The young woman looks back at the valley, eyebrow raised. “This position is too exposed. C’mon, let’s report back.”

The older woman turns and makes as if to follow, but then grips her companion’s shoulder. “Em, wait. Something’s happening down there.” She raises the binoculars to her eyes again.

Far down in the bowl of the amphitheater, there are sparks and bolts of lightning. The wind picks up, throwing debris around in a miniature maelstrom, and with a burst of light, a brilliant white sphere appears in the side of the broken dome above the stage as if it were a part of the acoustic accoutrement, slicing through one of the steel supports. It hangs there for an instant then disappears, and a small humanoid form falls several meters onto the stage with a crash, breaking through the rotted floor onto the ground.

The women stare openmouthed at the spectacle, then glance at each other in disbelief, turning back to the stage and scanning the scene. The steel support of the dome, now compromised, collapses with a rending crash.

The tank turns on its metal torso, guns and searchlight snapping onto the broken stage.

The binoculars are out and the older woman whispers frantically to her friend. “Em, there’s a kid down there. I can see him under the stage. We need to help him.”

The young woman stares wildly down at the scene. “I don’t know what this is, but it doesn’t concern us, Cass. We should fall back.”

The tank opens fire, plasma detonating all over the structure. More of the steel dome begins to sag and fall onto the stage.

The woman glares at her companion. “Go tell the others. I’m going to help him.” She shoves the binoculars into her friend’s hands and leaps down the slope and is gone. In the depression, her friend swears softly to herself. “Dammit Cass.” She glances back one last time and then makes her way back up the canyon, away from the amphitheater.

Cassie races down to the amphitheater, noting the oncoming tank and swerving to avoid its line of sight as she goes into range. She slides under the partially collapsed stage and pulls out a dyno torch, squeezing the handle several times to provide juice for the light. She whispers in the semi-dark.

“Hey! Is there anyone alive down here?” She scans the darkness, shadows leaping in the swinging light. Another explosion sounds above, shaking the structure and sending debris falling.

“I’m here.” The answer is quiet, matter-of-fact. She swings the light and it strikes the dusty, grimy face of a boy, his mid-length blonde hair partially obscuring his face. He is crouching in a corner, seemingly unwilling to move.

Cassie scans him with her flashlight, noting his complete nakedness. She pulls her cloak off of her and holds it in her hand.

She points at the ceiling with her light. “What was…that?”

The boy looks at her with interest. “You saw that?”

Cassie nods, tossing him the coat, which he throws over his naked body. “What the hell happened? Who are you?”

There’s another explosion above them. The boy looks around as more debris fall. “My name is Charlie Fritz. I’m with Tech-Com under John Connor. I need to know the exact date.”

Cassie looks at him with awe. “You’re with John Connor?”

“The date.”

Cassie shakes herself. “It’s July 10th. Why?”

The boy looks around hectically. “What time?”

“Just after nightfall.”

The boy nods to himself. “Then it may not be too late.” Another explosion wracks the structure and the stage behind the boy collapses. He moves away from the falling beams and the two of them make their way to an opening where they can get a look at their attacker.

“Too late for what?”

“To save the world.”

Cassie takes this in levelly, then glances out at the approaching tank. It has been joined by another tank approaching from the entrance to the canyon. The boy takes in their positions, then turns to Cassie. “I need to get to get to the Skynet facility complex in Los Angeles by dawn.” He makes to move out, but Cassie pulls him back by his cloak.

“Wait a minute. You can’t just go out there alone. Tell me what the hell is happening. Let me help.”

The boy considers, glancing again at the tanks. He makes a choice.

“Very well, but we must split up. I’ll draw their fire, and once I do you retreat the way you came. Make your way to downtown Los Angeles. John Connor will arrive at 4:15. Find him.” He casts his eyes downward, then they flick back to her. “Do this, and we will meet again. I promise.”

The boy makes to leave cover again, but Casey hisses at him. “That’s it? What’s the mission? If I find Connor, what then?”

Charlie considers for a moment, then as another explosion rocks the building and it collapses further in on itself, he speaks.

“You should kill him…”

Cassie stares, thunderstruck, unable even to speak. The boy’s young face is gaunt, his eyes, haunted.

"…for his hatred shall destroy us all.”

Charlie moves away, Cassie still standing shellshocked. The boy races out across the open ground, moving faster than Cassie would have given him credit for. He dodges a plasma bolt by the first tank and slides around a rock, which explodes behind him with a blast from the second tank.

Cassie takes off in the opposite direction as the entire stage sags and collapses completely in on itself in a grinding and rending of metal. Suddenly she hears the whine of another vehicle, and a chrome-plated aircraft flies out from behind the hill, peppering the area with purple lances of light. She turns around and shouts a warning but it is too late. Charlie is caught in the blast of a powerful bolt of plasma and he is entirely enveloped by the explosion, bits of him flying in all directions.

Cassie screams, turning and running from the remains of the splattered soldier. The aerial vehicle turns and begins firing at her from across the canyon, the explosion of its guns throwing her a dozen feet in the air and against the far canyon wall where she loses consciousness amid the burning vegetation and the approaching chrome-plated death.

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#1613637
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Finishing Return of the Jedi
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One other reason they may have chosen to reuse the same angle for the Ackbar reaction could be some version of the ‘180 degree’ rule. As in, showing the underside of the SSD may have been disorienting to viewers.

There is also the consideration that we know that Ackbar is viewing the SSD from that angle in a previous shot. To show the underside of the ship would require it to twist or flip over somehow, rather than simply falling down out of frame like it does in the film.

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#1613245
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Color matching and prediction 2.0
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Really striking results.

I am noticing, however, that in at least three of the Star Wars examples (Droids, Jabba, and Tarkin), that the shadows in the reference images all have more green than the final result, which seems to go for a more neutral tone. Is this an intentional shift, such as the algorithm attempting to retain channel information in the shadows?

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#1613116
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Some people pointed out at the time of release that the end of The Last Jedi has some similarities with Escape from L.A., so I feel compelled to point out that the ending of Dune: Part 2 is essentially the same as the ending of Attack of the Clones, so much so that you could swap the music between the films and it would work.

Of course, Dune came out decades before AOTC, but the movie adaptation does heighten the similarities.

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#1608903
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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JadedSkywalker said:

Found my Revenge of the Sith ticket stub for 23rd of May 2005. The Ticket price was 9.50.

Other than that, I really can’t remember all that much of that screening the first time I saw the film.

I vaguely remember the opening space battle.

ROTS is the first Star Wars movie I remember seeing in the theater (May 21st, 5:15 PM, $6.25), though I’d seen all the previous ones before that on home video. We went with a group of friends, and I distinctly remember being pleasantly surprised at Palpatine trying to win Anakin over through subtle manipulation and the idea that the Sith had just as valid an interpretation of the Force that the Jedi did.

Unfortunately it didn’t stay that interesting for long and as we know devolved into Anakin going full evil and Palpy going full monster mash. I remember quite vividly the line 'What have I done?" being the moment that I emotionally checked out of the prequel trilogy.

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#1601457
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The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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A long time ago (since the last update to the crawl 😉 )…

EPISODE VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

It is a time of despair.
Luke Skywalker, sworn
to rebuild the legendary
Jedi Order, has vanished.

With the Jedi now facing
extinction, agents of the
evil FIRST ORDER have
risen from the shadows
of an Imperial fortress
to claim supremacy over
countless worlds beyond
the fragile New Republic.

Afraid to take any action
that could lead to war,
the Senate has secretly
commissioned the pilots
of a brave RESISTANCE
to find the last Jedi and
restore the light of hope
to the darkening stars…

Yeah, it’s just the first two lines of paragraph three again.

The reason I don’t like saying that the Republic is mired in endless debate is that such wording is more than just a reference to Episode 1; it is a direct return to the status quo of that movie, and feels like yet another pointless regression rather than a fun homage.

The new lines now at least point to a strategy by the New Republic, even if misguided. The Senate is intentionally avoiding provocative acts that could spark a greater war, since the First Order is still acting beyond Republic jurisdiction as far as anyone knows.

Also, the wording of ‘take action’ is used later by Leia in the reincorporated deleted scene, so it helps to define a consistent through line for the New Republic.

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#1599323
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What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
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Or we could just accept that fundamental continuity and character differences exist between each trilogy. That is why the easiest solution is to treat each trilogy as its own entity, existing in a separate continuity from the others. I cannot imagine the universe of the Prequel Trilogy naturally giving rise to the universe of the Original Trilogy, nor of the Original Trilogy giving rise to the Sequel Trilogy.