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#87568
Topic
For those of you looking for TPM on DVD...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87568/action/topic#87568
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Another blown opportunity from our "friends" at Lucasfilm and Fox. If "The Fandom Penance" is indeed the same transfer as the previous DVD, instead of a direct from digital transfer, then that is a missed opportunity. If it doesn't have the power of the laser discs 5.1 track, then that's another missed opportunity. If they could get those two things to happen, it would justify the reissue.

Neil
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#87442
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***The "ISOMIX" feedback thread ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87442/action/topic#87442
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Unfortunately, the film version of Lapti Nek is not available anywhere that I know of. I recall reading that the masters for the film version of Lapti Nek and other Max Rebo source music were simply lost and hence they weren't included on the Anthology Boxed Set CD. I doubt this is the case, but I don't know why it wouldn't be released otherwise on the Anthology Boxed Set. So if Lapti Nek is featured in the Isomix DVD, then it probably is indeed the version from the Anthology Boxed Set and not the original film version.

I haven't heard the ISOMIX set, but the ROTJ DVD I have with the isolated score uses the "Dub Mix" of Lapti Nek during that sequence. The "Dub Mix" was released on a 12" 45 rpm and runs a mind numbing 7:02. It does not feature any lyrics, and neither does the isolated track on the ROTJ DVD I own. The film version seems to be lost.

Neil
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#87440
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87440/action/topic#87440
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
there could be a recommendation on the menu to turn off one's TV for that particular soundtrack option.

Wouldn't it be just as easy to put on a CD? Those recordings were never meant to be played to picture. Many of the pieces are concert versions which in some cases are not in the movie, or in others combine disparate parts of the film. Maybe they'd be good for menu screens, but since DVD space is at a premium, if it were me, I'd devote all the space to getting the best picture and the best sound on one disc and leave the re-recorded albums off.

I remember once reading how Rick McCallum was so intrigued about everything that DVD could do, that he could have a silent version of the movies on DVD to show the importance of sound. I guess he never thought of turning down the volume.

Neil
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#87436
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87436/action/topic#87436
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If you really care about the Gerhardt albums so much (they are wonderful, but as separate listening experiences, they will never match up to the films, nor should they) I have the English Star Wars album and the original Return of the Jedi rerecordings he did for RCA. These are better than the 1990 reissues because they are the original stereo mixes and not the Dolby Surround remasters. The originals sound better. What do these have to do with DVDs though?

Neil
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#87432
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87432/action/topic#87432
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I'm in the same boat. Honor among thieves I guess, but it's really not mine to distribute.

That being said, I did contact Rikter yesterday about another Star Wars DVD that I couldn't care less about getting out there and shared and shared and shared and shared. Hopefully I'll hear back from him soon. It's not the O-OT, but it's a cool disc.

Neil
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#87424
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87424/action/topic#87424
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The Jabba source music does not exist. It's been lost since 1986, when it was last heard in From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga. That being said, it seems the music editor on this disc was sneaky and used From Star Wars to Jedi to get the music to more or less match it up to this scene.

Lapti Nek is not the film version but seems to be the "Dub Mix" of the song heard on a promotional 12" 45 rpm record released in 1983 and cut to the picture.

Neil
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#87422
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87422/action/topic#87422
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"When I want to watch Star Wars on DVD, this is the disc that I grab. It's the best version of the movie I've ever seen on home video."

Jeez! How many people had this version and didn't tell us?!?

Well someone pointed out that I talked about this set back in September. Of course that was at another forum.

Oh, and about the sub-titles, the LD used for this was also 4x3 and had the sub-titles in the black band, just under the image. This disc features re-done sub-titles for some reason.

Neil
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#87416
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<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87416/action/topic#87416
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The picture on this DVD is from the THX LD. The sound on this Star Wars disc is from the 1989 widescreen laserdisc. This was a remix done by Ben Burtt in 1985. It's closer to the original mix than the 1993 and 1995 THX LD's and obviously closer than the 1997 and 2004 mixes. You can read all about it here. The dead giveaway that this is the 1989 mix and not the 1977 Dolby Stereo mix is the 3PO line about the tractor beam. It's on this DVD, and not on the 1977 Dolby Stereo mix, which so far as I know, has never been put onto DVD. Not even the recent "split screen" disc.

The isolated score track is very well done, matching the edits in the movie. There are more than you realize, and whoever made this did a wonderful recreation. It's also fun seeing the "Dianoga" scene with the score synched up to it. The Empire isolated track isn't quite as successful. It recreates some tracking at times (the introduction of the Super Star Destroyer for instance) instead of hearing Williams' original composition (the scene was extended, so the original music wouldn't quite fit but a little editing might have fixed that).

The original crawl on this disc is a recreation, but it's very well done. And it even has retained the lower case "r" in the word "rebel". I never saw the point in capitalizing it and always type that way, in honor of the way the movie originally was.

The color on the Star Wars disc is desaturated, and I'm not sure why. It looks alright, but it probably could have looked better. The Greedo scene has sub-titles that are in the black band and sometime overlap the image as well. The side breaks are incredibly well handled, so I'm not sure if this is from the 1993 or 1995 LDs.

When I want to watch Star Wars on DVD, this is the disc that I grab. It's the best version of the movie I've ever seen on home video.

Neil
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#81241
Topic
RTJ Soundtrack Album
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/81241/action/topic#81241
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Ewokese Version

Yub nub
eee chop yub nub
ah toe meet toe pee-chee keene
g'noop dock fling oh ah
Yah wah
eee chop yah wah
ah toe meet toe pee-chee keene
g'noop dock fling oh ah
Coatee chah tu yub nub
coatee chah tu yahwah
coatee chah tu glowah
allay loo ta nuv
Glowah
eee chop glowah
ya glowah pee chu nee foam
ah toot dee awe goon daa
Coatee cha tu goo (Yub nub!)
coatee cha tu doo (Yahwah!)
coatee cha tu too (Ya chaa!)
allay loo ta nuv
allay loo ta nuv
allay loo ta nuv
Glowah
eee chop glowah
ya glowah pee chu nee foam
ah toot dee awe goon daa
Allay loo ta nuv

English Version

Freedom
we got freedom
and now that we can be free
come on and celebrate
Power
we got power
and now that we can be free
it's time to celebrate
Celebrate the freedom
celebrate the power
celebrate the glory
celebrate the love
Power
we got power
and now that we can be free
it's time to celebrate
Celebrate the light (freedom!)
celebrate the night (power!)
celebrate the fight (glory!)
celebrate the love
celebrate the love
celebrate the love
Glory
we found glory
the power showed us the light
and now we all live free
Celebrate the love

And please remember....


Neil
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#78759
Topic
StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78759/action/topic#78759
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Originally posted by: tellan
@mverta, intersting that you're not going to put the close the blast doors line back in.

by the same token therefore, would you not be substituting the 'blast it biggs, where are you line' for blast it wedge, where are you?

both of these lines were in the original theatrical run and both lines where subsequently accidentally omitted from home video prints.

I consider close the blast doors to surely be a given. the scene has more fun to it, plus the cutaway to the stormtroopers now makes more sense because of the restored dialogue. the wedge, biggs line also stops audiences going 'huh' when Luke says the line because it's quite obviously wedge that is comng to help him, not biggs.

I always thought the biggs line odd becaues I could remember seeing for one time only the blast it wedge line on a TV broadcast.

Those lines were heard theatrically, but only in the mono mix. They were never in the 70mm six track mix or the 35mm Dolby Stereo mix.

Neil
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#78026
Topic
RTJ Soundtrack Album
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78026/action/topic#78026
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Feel my body growing
My bones have started glowing
The time has come for showing
That I'll shape you up and work you out

Lapti Nek

You've got to move your soul
You've got to feel the heat

[or something like]

My body feels excitin'
My soul is synthesizin'
My whole frame is jumpin'

I'm workin' out and havin' fun

Lapti Nek
Gotta move your body, Gotta move your feet
Lapti Nek
Gotta move your feet as you walk the street
Lapti Nek...

Neil
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#77926
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I'm doing a comparison - opinions please!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77926/action/topic#77926
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Here is my original list from September 12, 2004. I was the first person to comment on the botched audio and have written quite extensively about it.

Here is my list of sound changes. This is all in reference to changes made to the original film, except in a few instances I've pointed out differences also from the 1993 re-mix. Some of these new sounds obviously were heard in the 1997 re-mix, some are new to this mix. I've also included a few picture changes, but I feel they have been covered everywhere, while the sound mix has been virtually ignored. I have not noted any changes to specific SE shots (such as the destruction of Alderaan) since these shots are entirely new.


The 1954 recording of the Fox logo is still played though it sounds very distorted.

The new Lucasfilm logo is shown.

The “Star Wars” title card starts moving much too fast in relation to the original and can be seen “shifting gears” as it gets smaller and slows down.

New explosions can be heard over the opening shot.

The foley in this mix is very loud and in your face. Not subtle in anyway. Note Threepios footsteps. They've always been there, just never this loud.

The sound of the ship docking has some revised sound.

The shirts of the rebel troopers change colors. They were always gray before. In some shots now they are blue.

Vaders voice has been re-processed throughout the entire film to get him to match the sequels.

When Artoo opens the door to the escape pod, the button he pushes buzzes.

The laser blast that convinces Threepio to get in the escape pod was re-done in 1993. It is the same sound effect as a lamp blowing up in Raiders of the Lost Ark. This effect is also heard later in the movie.

When Vader is talking to the “Second Commander” (“Lord Vader, the battle station plans are not aboard this ship!”) the room in the background makes beeping noises. For fun, I’ll point out that this actor has the same voice as General Dodonna at the end of the movie. I suspect that the “Second Commander” is dubbed.

When Artoo is shot by the Jawas and falls over a tremendous bass impact has been mixed in.

The restraining bolt being installed makes a different sound.

Artoos arrival inside the sand crawler makes a new sound.

You now hear the sand crawler start up as it starts to move.

Later, you hear the sand crawler come to a stop. Threepio then says, “We’ve stopped” before telling Artoo to wake up.

The sound of Threepio rising from the oil bath has been augmented.

The lunch scene with Beru and Owen has some new foley (Beru’s chair makes a sound now). This is a quiet scene and you can literally hear the faders being brought down after every line of dialogue. Dailogue does not sound integrated in this scene.

Beru’s pronunciation of “father” has been re--done......again.

Luke’s land speeder can be seen in the long shot from the sand peoples point of view. Previously it was just a white speck moving.

The clanking of the sand persons gaffi stick is heard in this mix.

The Krayt Dragon sound that Ben uses to scare the sand people has been re-done. It almost sounds like a police siren at first. Definitely sounds artifical as opposed to the older, more organic sound.

The light sabers have not been re-processed to match the sound heard in the prequels.

In this mix it’s very clear that the bartender has been dubbed. It was not as obvious before.

When Luke is thrown into the table, it makes an all new sound effect.

When the stormtroopers walk into the bar they can be heard saying, “Undertand you had some trouble in here”. This is heard under Hans, “Looks like somebody’s beginning to take an interest in your handiwork.” line.

Alien sound effect is missing just before Threepios line, “I would much rather have gone with Master Luke than stay here with you.”

The music edit just after the Jabba scene is pretty bad. The music just starts. Also Bens line “If the ships as fast as he’s boasting we ought to do well” is different than the original mix. It sounds edited together here.

A quick dissolve is missing between the shot of the spy and the interior entrance of Docking Bay 94. It is a hard cut now.

The spy makes some more sounds before informing the stormtroopers of where Luke and Ben are.

There are new explosion sound effects in the shoot out in Docking Bay 94.

“You would prefer another target? A military target?” both sound crystal clear. “Then name the system!” is clearly from the old mix. Right in the middle of the line there is a quality shift. This happens through out the entire movie, but this may be the most obvious. It almost feels like a game, wondering if the next line is going to be the new clear dialogue or the older sounding dialogue. Obviously, there is a lack of consistency here and it’s jarring throughout the film. This is problably the worst feature of this new mix.

When the Falcon arrives at Alderaan there is some very deep bass. However, when the Falcon is captured by the Death Stars tractor beam, deep bass is missing that was heard in the 1993 mix. However there is a lot of sound of the cockpit shaking.

Also in the 1993 mix, the sound of the TIE fighter shooting at the Falcon could be heard. That’s not here nor was it in the original mix.

The PA systems line, “Close all outboard shields” sounds different.

Just before Han and company come out of the secret compartments, the two inspecting stormtroopers stop at the exit ramp and one of them says, “There’s no one here.”.

When Luke exits out of the Falcon and taps his stormtrooper helmet, static can be heard.

The dialogue keeps changing during the command office scene, between the clear dialogue and the older sounding dialogue.

The computer in the detention block scene makes new noises.

When Han, Luke and Chewie are shooting the cameras in the cell block area, the explosions are all re-done. There is also some new blaster fire added. When Han shoots the console, his blaster is much louder now then it was before.

The explosion as the stormtroopers blast into the cell block is much louder and has more bass.

When Leia shoots the hatch to get into the garbage chute, the explosion is different.

Chewie pounding on the door of the trash compactor makes new sounds.

The famous blooper of the stormtrooper walking into the door has now been punctuated with a loud “clunk” sound effect. What was once a tough to see mistake is now pointed ot for everyone to see.

When Ben is turning off the tractor beam (I guess this is what he’s doing since the display is no longer in English) some sound effects that were heard at Bespin in The Empire Strikes Back and in ALIEN are mixed in here.

The creature sound effects after they get out of the trash compactor are different.

When Leia fires her blaster during the chasm crossfire, it no longer sounds like Dirty Harry’s .44 magnum. This chasm also has the ALIEN/Bespin sound effect.

When Luke throws the grappling hook, it makes a “whizzing through the air” sound effect.

When they are shouting for Luke to come on board the Falcon (after Ben’s death) Leia now says, “Luke, come on!”. Previously, it was just “Come on!”.

Music reverb heard during the fight with the TIE Fighters is gone.

During the TIE Fighter fight, there is a long shot of
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#77923
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RTJ Soundtrack Album
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77923/action/topic#77923
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Originally posted by: HotRod
I can't believe that you've just posted the lyrics to Lapti fucking nek!
Well done on wasting your time man!!!

Oh you know you're listening to the song right now, making sure they are correct.

Oh, and I posted those a long time ago on another board. I just found that post and cut and pasted it here. And I transcribed them from the back of the "Lapti Nek" single I bought on eBay a few years ago. It's not like I listened to the song and wrote down what I heard. That'd be sad. Sadder, at least.

Neil
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#77921
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RTJ Soundtrack Album
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77921/action/topic#77921
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The Sail Barge source cues are all missing. The last time they were used was for the From Star Wars to Jedi doc.

Regarding "Lapti Nek" and "Ewok Celebration" there were two versions of each song: a film version and the album version. The film version of "Lapti Nek" has never been released, while the 1993 "Star Wars Trilogy" CD box set had both versions of "Ewok Celebration". There were several extended versions of "Lapti Nek" released on a promotional 12" 45 single. They were called the "dub" and "club" versions. They are both based on the album version.

The lyrics to "Lapti Nek" are:

Ab queck zenick fesi
Jup col im in na hiz jal, ooh.
Wa toc peg qui dos gee pif, aah.
Joc jarraz bas deg zorze zot.
Jer wih tuster mo vey
qui neb be og ezen on
wok lapti nek seb not van
goc jarraz bas deg zorze zot.

Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qaff,
lapti nek, kiv ba ha top wep jex pi va bep,
lapti nek rat a ran wim joct co jeppi quaff.

Ab queck zenick fesi
jem wih tuster mo vey
qui neb be og ezen on
wok lapti nek seb not van
wah toc peg qui doz gee pif
goc jarraz bas deg zorze zot.

Lapti nek, rat a ran wim joct co jappi qoff,
lapti nek, kiv ba ha top wep jex pi va bep,
lapti nek rat a ran wim joct co jappi qaff.

Deg zorze zot.
Jem with tuster mo vey
qui neb be og ezen on
wok lapti nek seb not van
goc jarraz bas deg zorze zot.

Deg zorze zot,
Lapti nek, lapti nek.