Originally posted by: Obi-Wan Spicoli That's a great site, but that bit of information is incorrect. What I've seen referred to as the '85 remix actually appears on the '84 VHS. Do you have the '84 VHS tape? If so, give it a listen.
But since you're looking for the straight Dolby Stereo mix, the '85 CAV LD that someone mentioned earlier may be the best choice. I don't have that disc myself so I can't verify the sound mix.
Scott
The site is correct. The easiest way to tell is the inclusion of the 3PO tractor beam line. It's not in the Dolby Stereo mix, prior to Burtt's first video mix. Suddenly it was back in the movie, only to be out again in the 1993 re-mix.
My transfer of the Dolby Stereo mix from the pan and scan CAV disc does not have the 3PO line. The 1985 mix (heard also on the 1989 LD) does have this line. If you download the "Mysterious Mysteries" version, you'll hear the line as well.
The pan and scan CAV laserdisc is a better source. It will never wear out, is the original 1977 Dolby Stereo mix and suffers from absolutely no dropouts.
I hope the split screen discs are re-visited someday. On Star Wars, the 1997 audio mix should be on it, in addition to the 2004 mix. Those handful of shots changed in the 2004 version should be viewable via multi-angle with the 1997 edition. Plus, the track claiming to be the original 1977 soundtrack is actually the 1993 track, while the opening crawl is really the 1981 credits.
As for Empire, the missing six seconds has to be on there.
It's a nice job done so far, but it could be better.
Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh There were audio differences specifically in the mono mix, but I dunno what else, and probably not much at all different in the stereo mix - what other video differences were there?
I know of no picture or editorial changes beyond the revised crawl. If there were differences, I'm sure I would have heard of them by now. We all know about the mix differences, but I'm told (and I have no reason to doubt my friend) that the 1981 Dolby mix and the 1977 Dolby mix were the same. I'm not even sure "Episode IV - A New Hope" was issued in mono, since by 1981, dual inventory prints were no longer needed, and the standard Dolby Stereo mix would be on every print.
I know I'm not Daniel, but as far as I know, the only difference between the 1977 release and the 1981 re-issue was the crawl. This ain't Close Encounters.
Anyone, feel free to answer this one privately, either by PM'ing me or e-mailing me.
Is there anyway to get the disc with the mono track?
Regarding the 1985 Ben Burtt video mix, it is much closer to the 1977 Dolby mix than the 1993 mix. The 1993 mix has all sorts of new bass spun in and does have new sound effects at times, whereas the 1985 seems to retain everything from the original. It's just sweetened at times. And of course, the 3PO line magically re-appears in the 1985 mix. It's not in the 1977 original Dolby Stereo mix or the 1993.
Just out of curiosity, where did you get the "Lapti Nek" dub mix from? I have the 45 rpm single and transferred it to CD and shared it with some people. I did this in late 2001/early 2002 I believe. When was the ROTJ DVD made?
Originally posted by: Karyudo So this is the same 5.1 mix that I mentioned a few weeks ago in another thread, and somebody answered back that the reason the 1997 audio should not be used was because it is (supposedly) little better than an upsampled 4.0 Surround Sound mix (at least that was the gist...)?
A 4 track printmaster was used to create this track, but it was the original 1977 printmaster. That's closer than what was used for the 2004 DVD, which in many ways sounds nothing like Star Wars. The mono surround channel was run through a Meridian Home THX processor to decorrolate the surrounds. Also spot effects were mixed in, so in the end it is a stereo surround channel. Just listen to the fight with the TIE fighters. They will circle around the listening room. The music is mono in the surrounds, so the horrible mix heard on the 2004 DVD is a non-issue.
The way this track was made, it has some hiss on it, but once you realize that it once again sounds like the Star Wars you are familiar with, it won't bother you.
Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh I never minded the "new" Vader voice; in fact I always hated the fact that it is completely different from the other movies.
I love that Star Wars is different from the other movies. Every change Lucas makes to the movie to make it more in line with the rest of the films only validates what a unique and great movie it was. Plus, I just can't get used to the revised Vader voice. I heard it on the split screen disc the other day and it completely took me out of the movie.