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#91774
Topic
Prototype Mono Pre-ANH "XP77:4EB" Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91774/action/topic#91774
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After the last break it's completely out of sync for the remainder of the film. But for a prototype it's nicely done. I'm hoping that for a final disc, the sync issues are completely worked out. What needs to be done is to line up the track with the audio from the "Mysterious Mysteries" edition. Once that is done, you'll be assured of proper synchronization.

Neil
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#91543
Topic
Another Q for you audio experts - Stereo vs. Dolby Surround
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91543/action/topic#91543
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Now, what about the French soundtrack of the Star Wars laserdiscs? Well, according to the LDDb, "the sound of this LD is Stereo and not Dolby Surround because the original 1977 French mix for the movie was only a two-track Stereo mix, due to limitations of French theaters at the time". So if this is correct, and I was to sample and encode the French track for a DVD, it would be wrong to set the surround flag in the AC-3 stream. Is there any way to confirm this?

Listen to it.

And maybe I'm not being clear. All a Dolby Stereo track is is a stereo track with surround information encoded in the out of phase material. It will always be carried over. Always. It's impossible for it not o be there once it's mixed. I don't care if htere is a logo on the package or not. The info is there.

Neil
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#91542
Topic
The Theatrical Differences
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91542/action/topic#91542
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Originally posted by: TheSessler
Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
From what I understand of the 1977 crawl, rebel was not capitalized?


...and that is reflected in my 77 crawl, what are you getting at?


In the first post of this thread rebel is capitalized is what what I was getting at.

Yes it is, since it's the start of the second sentence.

Neil
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#91441
Topic
Another Q for you audio experts - Stereo vs. Dolby Surround
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91441/action/topic#91441
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I'll make this realy really really really simple.

If it is a stereo tape, DVD, LD, broadcast....whatever and it was a movie mixed in Dolby Stereo, it will always be in Dolby Stereo, regardless if that little logo is on there. The way Dolby encoding works is it puts the surround information in the out-of-phase content of a stereo signal (L-R). Everything that is stereo has out-of-phase content. Play any stereo CD in Dolby Pro-Logic if you don't believe me. All Pro-Logic is active matrix decoding (as opposssed to passive decoding, just known as Dolby Surround). To get the center channel it sums the left and right channels (L+R). And that's it! So there is no need to worry over any of your stereo videotapes, or broadcasts, or DVDs or LDs.

And Pro-Logic is a decoding process, not an encoding process.

Neil
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#91495
Topic
Who has caved?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91495/action/topic#91495
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My 1983 CED disc is what is imprinted on me. It was time compressed, pan and scan and featured the original Dolby Stereo mix. I used to watch that disc every day after school when my family first got our CED player. This was even before ROTJ was released. Anytime anything deviates from my memory of that disc, it pulls me out of the film.

Neil
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#91267
Topic
The Theatrical Differences
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91267/action/topic#91267
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Empire and Jedi did not have mono mixes!

Here is a list of changes between the 70mm Empire Strikes Back and the 35mm version (which is the one we all know).

* After the probot lands on Hoth and moves frame left, there is an optical wipe to the overhead shot of Luke on his tauntaun, instead of a straight cut.
* After Luke wanders through the snow and falls face down, there is an optical wipe to Han instead of a straight cut.
* The bacta tank scene starts on a close-up of Two-One-Bee and pans right to a closeup of Luke in the tank. It then cuts to FX-7 extending it's arm to the tank. There is no cut to Leia, Han and Threepio observing.
* In the snow battle scene, when Luke drops into the snow after throwing a charge into the Imperial walker, the AT-ST in the background has no atmospheric depth. It looks to close and small.
* In the Emperor scene, the hologram of the Emperor is already present in the first shot-it does not "tune in" gradually.
* The Imperial fleet establishing shot after the magic tree scene has a different TIE fighter sound effect.
* When Luke falls from Cloud City into the Millennium Falcon, the Falcon's radar dish is not added to the shot.
* The telepathy between Luke and Vader during the "Hyperspace" cue has straight cuts instead of quick dissolves.
* In the final scene, there is no tracked music from "Yoda and the Force". The scene begins with the first establishing shot of the rebel fleet, then cuts inside the Falcon for Lando to say, "Luke, we're ready for take-off" (but a different take of this was used). After Luke says (voice over), "Good luck, Lando" the scene cuts to inside the rebel cruiser where Luke says, "I'll meet you at the rendezvous, " etc. Not in this version are two more establishing shots of the fleet and an interim effects shot over which Lando says, "When we find Jabba the Hutt and that bounty hunter we'll contact you."

That list can be found in Volume 2, Issue 1 of Film Score Monthly. It was compiled by Michael Matessino who reportedly saw the film 70 times theatrically in 1980.

Neil
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#91226
Topic
Another Q for you audio experts - Stereo vs. Dolby Surround
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91226/action/topic#91226
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Ah Neil, I knew I could rely on you to reply, thanks for the info.
Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Anytime a matrix Dolby Stereo soundtrack was transferred to a stereo video format, the surround track was carried over, simply because of the way Dolby encoding works.
So how come some videos say HiFi stereo, and some say Dolby Surround?

Hi-Fi- Stereo is actually a recording term for VHS tapes. Hi-Fi on the packaging means the tape has a Hi-Fi track. That was not the standard when VHS first came out. Dolby Surround logos were added later, but once the master was made, the Dolby encoded soundtrack always came through, whether the logo was on the packaging or not. I could bore you with the technical details of the Dolby matrix, but that's not necessary.

Neil
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#91148
Topic
<strong>The &quot;EditDroid&quot; Trilogy DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91148/action/topic#91148
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Originally posted by: terryeden
No "Close the blast doors! Close the blast doors!". I realise there's some debate around if this was originally in the mix - I beleive that it was.
The line is simply "Close the blast doors!". As stated, it was in the original mono mix. It was not in a stereo mix until the 1997 SE. Period.

Originally posted by: terryeden
Missing scene! I'm positive there was a scene when Vader told two TIE Fighter Pilots "A gorup of fighters have broken off from the main group - come with me". Am I imagining this scene?

No, you're not imagining the scene, you're imagining that it's not on the disc. It's there. And for fun, watch that scene and notice that the background changes between the two shots of Vader.

Neil
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#91147
Topic
Another Q for you audio experts - Stereo vs. Dolby Surround
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/91147/action/topic#91147
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Mono compatible on VHS tape meant it had a mono linear track in addition to the stereo hi-fi track.

Anytime a matrix Dolby Stereo soundtrack was transferred to a stereo video format, the surround track was carried over, simply because of the way Dolby encoding works. Every stereo signal has an out-of-phase component, which is how Dolby Stereo was encoded.

Neil
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#90884
Topic
Help Wanted: an MP3 of the 1.0 mono mix from the pre-ANH projects?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/90884/action/topic#90884
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The 1993 mix may be closely derived from the 70mm mix, but it also has some new elements in it, such as the explosion just before 3PO enters the escape pod. The sound of the asteroids flying past the Falcon are certainly from the 6 track mix, though. I'm not sure where the bass on the 1993 mix was derived from, but I don't think it was the baby boom track from the 6 track. That may all be new for the 1993 track, too.

Neil
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#90859
Topic
Help Wanted: an MP3 of the 1.0 mono mix from the pre-ANH projects?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/90859/action/topic#90859
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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
does anyone have an MP3 of the original 77 (not 85 or 93) stereo mix? I've been screwing around with the mono mix myself and can't do much with it without another source, and while I'm using the 85 mix from the MM DVD, I'd like a copy of the stereo mix as well for archival purposes if I ever end up getting the mono mix up to snuff and a DVD made.

I have the Dolby mix. I know I must have said that once or twice.

I don't have an mp3 of it, nor would I want one made and used for a DVD. I have it uncompressed on 2 discs and an Apple Lossless version which fits on one disc.

I'm currently downmixing it to mono and plugging in the holes in the mono mix. It's not perfect quality wise (I'm degrading it as best as I can to get it to match) but it should be a good track when I'm done with it.

Neil
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#90855
Topic
Help Wanted: an MP3 of the 1.0 mono mix from the pre-ANH projects?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/90855/action/topic#90855
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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
But I believe that the "Close the blast doors" line was redubbed for the SE.

Nope. It's the same as the mono mix. Leia's .44 magnum blaster during the chasm crossfire is also from the mono mix, and wound up in the 1997 mix. But I really don't care about any mixes done after 1993 at this point. They are irrelevant to the nature of this board.

Neil

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#90756
Topic
Help Wanted: an MP3 of the 1.0 mono mix from the pre-ANH projects?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/90756/action/topic#90756
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I checked with my friend who supplied the original information, and he responded with... "There was an early batch of digitally mastered tapes that were made up prior to the actual 'digitally mastered' moniker placed on the box. These were issued in early '85. It's possible that a few got out in '84, but the official 'digitally mastered' versions weren't released until '85. (Note.. It's the sound that was digitally mastered, not the picture.)"

This is accurate info.

Neil