suspiciouscoffee said:

Thread ruined in a single reply. New record?

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moviefreakedmind said:

I hate modern Disney.

I think Disney knows. As a child I got excited by the castle opening of their movies. Classic Disney was great. If Disney was still held in such regard, it would have been proud to start TFA and TLJ with its Disney castle in lieu of the necessarily omitted Fox fanfare.

We might as well have a 1% Disney Tax taken out of paychecks that gives free admission for all Americans.

Needs more Depp.

While I think you’re probably right we don’t have a great effect on world prices, we do have a great effect on world demand and the income of foreign producers. When we consume less foreign oil, they get less money.

Obama was known for banning much oil drilling and absurdly impeding the Dakota Pipeline. His legacy on energy is mixed at best. I would credit his general inaction on fracking, which led to where we are now but that’s not to say he helped it.

The problem with the M.A. was that it didn’t have an international hook. Sanctions re Crimea (which we also have) do have that hook.

If the PT isn’t part of one’s head canon, the view of the Force and the Jedi is so different that the ST can be more unappealing. The whole prophecy/Skywalker dynasty thing from the PT has always been an annoyance. The formal “Sith” thing annoys me too. A lot of this flows out of the EU also which was a very limited part of my diet.

CatBus said:

Tyrphanax said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone should be concerned about the fact that Russia did and continues to fuck with our elections. Regardless of whether or not they tried to help Trump win. But nah, that’s just a worry and not an actual thing.

Ditto with gerrymandering. Although that’s not connected to Russia…yet.

We should be worried about everything Russia is doing. I was only commenting on the collusion/coordination thing. It’s wonderful that Democrats are finally waking up about Russia, even if for partisan reasons.

That doesn’t mean as much when Republicans are now actively being apologists for and refusing to stand up to Russia and Putin. Even though Obama and the Democrats used to be softer on Russia, they were never as pathetic and weak as the Republicans are now.

The GOP congress passed the sanctions law against Russia last year. Trump hasn’t led on this issue and that is a major problem but we’ve not bowed to Russia in Syria or anything like that. I also don’t think it behooves our government to be relentlessly hostile to Russia.

I mean, sure, but they’re relentlessly messing with us (100% common knowledge now that they interfered with our elections, and various votes around the world, and will continue to do so), and we probably shouldn’t let that go. Perhaps it doesn’t behoove our government, but just laughing off the fact that they put millions of dollars and thousands of hours towards choosing our President (regardless of who it was) is a dangerous thing to do.

If Putin ever goes and Russia has a decent, non-tyrannical leader, maybe we can play nice then.

There are plenty of different ways to do this though. The Obama way was to kick the legs out from under oil/natural gas prices and use the Magnitsky Act to target Russian corruption. That was the “bad cop” part. The “good cop” part was to try to involve Russia in various multilateral diplomatic efforts, give them a chance to be a good actor on the world stage. Basically we were as friendly as could be diplomatically, but economically, we were very aggressive with Russia. Who knows what mix future administrations would use, but it would and should be a mix.

What do you mean re Obama and natural gas prices? The revolution in our production came about because of fracking. Prices are decided by the market. What exactly are you crediting Obama for?

Re Magnitsky Act, it was an unprecedented intrusion into a country’s domestic affairs, albeit corrupt and horrific affairs. It was a diplomatic blunder that focused on the wrong things. “Carrots and sticks” don’t work if they’re not understood as such. It was a hopelessly naive approach. We need a good strong dose of realpolitik.

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone should be concerned about the fact that Russia did and continues to fuck with our elections. Regardless of whether or not they tried to help Trump win. But nah, that’s just a worry and not an actual thing.

Ditto with gerrymandering. Although that’s not connected to Russia…yet.

We should be worried about everything Russia is doing. I was only commenting on the collusion/coordination thing. It’s wonderful that Democrats are finally waking up about Russia, even if for partisan reasons.

That doesn’t mean as much when Republicans are now actively being apologists for and refusing to stand up to Russia and Putin. Even though Obama and the Democrats used to be softer on Russia, they were never as pathetic and weak as the Republicans are now.

The GOP congress passed the sanctions law against Russia last year. Trump hasn’t led on this issue and that is a major problem but we’ve not bowed to Russia in Syria or anything like that. I also don’t think it behooves our government to be relentlessly hostile to Russia.

Guccifer identified due to his embarrassing mistake: https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I still don’t understand why the Probe isn’t examining trump’s tax returns.

They may be.

But Mueller would have to satisfy a reasonable cause standard.

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone should be concerned about the fact that Russia did and continues to fuck with our elections. Regardless of whether or not they tried to help Trump win. But nah, that’s just a worry and not an actual thing.

Ditto with gerrymandering. Although that’s not connected to Russia…yet.

We should be worried about everything Russia is doing. I was only commenting on the collusion/coordination thing. It’s wonderful that Democrats are finally waking up about Russia, even if for partisan reasons.

Gerrymandering is a problem too. It’s great that Democrats are now so strongly opposed to it, even if for partisan reasons.

I’m not impressed by how everything is pushed through these partisan lenses. That goes for Republicans too.

Good morning paja

The best morning show.

Class action! Count me in.

He has identified himself already on this site. Only most of us prefer to remain safely anonymous.

I wonder why no pepperoni. The piece closest to me looks the best as it appears to have an air bubble in the crust.

Nobody saying gray yet.

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

It’s the end-to-end management of an entire campaign, ownership of a candidate, and the deep, aggressive, and unapologetic complicity of the Americans that’s new.

What has been revealed after all this time has been underwhelming to say the least. I don’t buy the iceberg theory of the case where every little disconnected piece hints at something huge lurking below the surface and Mueller is really good at not tipping his hand.

Bookmarking this post in case you’re wrong.

Or if I’m right.

The Russia and gerrymander worries provide cover for the horrible management of the DNC and other failures by the Democrats. Convenient.

Are you saying that they’re somehow responsible or taking advantage, or just coincidence?

Who, responsible for what?

Warbler said:

and I thought it was about some sort of x-rated movie and therefore didn’t even want to go into the thread. It was named " knick knack boobs" doesn’t that sound like porn to you?

🤣 I’m dying…I have “This old man, he plays one…” in my brain.

It’s the end-to-end management of an entire campaign, ownership of a candidate, and the deep, aggressive, and unapologetic complicity of the Americans that’s new.

What has been revealed after all this time has been underwhelming to say the least. I don’t buy the iceberg theory of the case where every little disconnected piece hints at something huge lurking below the surface and Mueller is really good at not tipping his hand.

The Russia and gerrymander worries provide cover for the horrible management of the DNC and other failures by the Democrats. Convenient. Still, I will be surprised if Republicans hold the House. If Dems do win, I guess you can blame the Russians 😉

Ash is frustrated that even when he tries to explain what Frink was saying and clear up misunderstanding you were having…you blame Frink. That’s my last public word on the matter.

This article, “My Candid Conversations with Extremely Online Folks Who Suffer From Internet Broken Brain,” focuses on twitter, but I think has applicability to other online interactions.

A friend called me with an intervention of sorts last week. I was being an asshole online, he told me, hurting people’s feelings. I had lost the ability to distinguish between issues that truly deserve criticism on Twitter and things I should probably keep to myself. I was subtweeting the website that pays my bills, because I didn’t like the content they were posting. Even still, when I put it that way, it does sound kind of funny, but that’s the self-righteousness of Extremely Online Individuals steering the ship. What’s more important to me, being right online, or making a living?

*political hook: Trump Jr’s divorce is blamed partly on his tweeting.

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Also Han didn’t shoot first. He shot only.

“Han Shoots First” is ot.com’s unofficial slogan.

I unofficially changed it to “Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.”

The video from the self-driving Uber car was released.

The victim is visible about 1.5 seconds before the collision. Not a lot of time for a driver to react but I would expect a self-driving car to be able to detect far better than this. Doesn’t help that the person behind the wheel wasn’t watching the road and the car was a couple miles over the speed limit.

The mustache has returned!

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Eh, the movie is about cheap thrills and space action. It’s not like wanting to advertise First Blood without weaponry because there’s more to the Rambo character (in that movie) than violence.

First Blood is a really bad example, I take it you haven’t seen that film in awhile - it’d actually more sense if Rambo didn’t have a machine gun on the poster.

I know the movie. I’m saying that’s a movie that they wouldn’t want to advertise the violence in because there’s more to it than that.

Oh, I completely misread the comparison you were making (missed the word “not” in “it’s not like…”). My bad.

DominicCobb said:

Anyway, I’m not saying they shouldn’t have guns on the poster, just saying it’s not that egregious if they don’t.

You don’t find it kind of uncomfortable that they delete things to avoid offending people? Granted, this isn’t art, it’s a marketing object, but it’s still close.

I don’t think it’s done to avoid “offending people.” The sight of guns doesn’t “offend” people (the word “offend” is misused way too often these days). It’s marketing materials, like you said. So the goal is to cater to the audience, if they think the audience is less likely to see it if every character is holding a gun, that’s a fair marketing move to make.

I get what you’re saying. I’m not bothered by this because it’s “censorship” because it’s not. I’m not bothered by it at all because it’s just marketing, but I think it’s a clear example of laziness. They want a character shot without a gun so they just erase the gun and have it look like crap. Ugly. Sad. Lazy.

Mhm. And like Wook says, Brazil has its own standards.

To Dom’s point, people care about these kinds of things more than they might when they perceive a political or social agenda at work, whether or not it’s true.

That doesn’t make the outrage any less silly.

I don’t think so, Dom.

If Disney changed the PotC ride decades ago in response to religious objections, I think people would be reasonably annoyed about it.

Depends what the alterations were. In the case of the most recent alteration to the ride, the reasoning could be construed as “the feminist agenda,” which absolutely makes the outrage silly (how dare we not demean women!). In the case of removing guns from a poster, the connection to an agenda is tenuous - some of these posters don’t feature characters with guns which means they’re promoting gun control? By that logic any poster that doesn’t feature guns is promoting gun control.

Can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not. Seems to me that both the agenda of those making a change as well as what the change is can reasonably bother people. If it’s not clear from my first post, this change to the Disney ride doesn’t bother me.

You frame the possible agenda here in positive terms so that any objector is a cretin. But the objection as I understand it has to do with political correctness and a view that the old ride didn’t demean women. People can argue that amongst themselves.

My initial statement (that if they’re outraged because of an agenda doesn’t make it any less silly), was in regards to the subjects in question. These particular outrages are silly, and that they think it’s because of an agenda doesn’t make it any less silly.

A silly hypothetical follows: Imagine they replaced the gold idol at the start of Raiders with a big diamond because the Bible says something about gold idols being bad. It would be a minor aesthetic change that doesn’t alter the story but it would really annoy me on multiple levels including the imposition of an ideology on a creative work. I’m not being absolutist, but that’s how I would feel about this kind of change. And I think that’s reasonable.

Is the theatrical cut of Raiders still available? If so, who cares? Would it be worse than the original? Obviously. So are the walkie talkies. But who cares?

I’m not saying people can’t criticize changes like this (especially if its more prominent like that would be, instead of the very minor-blink-and-you-miss-it ET change). It’s just silly to act like it’s the end of the world.

Agree it shouldn’t be treated like the apocalypse.

Cretin is not how I’d describe all of them, mostly they’re just people wasting their time and energy getting worked up about nothing. Framing the potential agenda in positive terms is just natural, there’s nothing nefarious about removing something that many people find demeaning to women, whether it objectively is or isn’t (of course, hard to apply objectivity in something such as this).

As for fighting against the “PC agenda,” I’ll rarely ever find that not silly.

The old PotC display was more demeaning to pirates, imho. The women were obviously victims portrayed in a sympathetic light and in no way condoning the treatment. That’s why I’m fine with seeing it go. Pirates are kind-hearted souls when it comes down to it. If you don’t believe me, go watch the movies.

Yay! I get to dictionsplain!

demean (verb): "cause a severe loss in the dignity of and respect for (someone or something).“
synonyms: degrading, humiliating, shameful, mortifying, abject, ignominious, undignified, inglorious
"a demeaning experience”

I’ll give you half a point. The women portrayed in the old ride are being demeaned. I don’t think that translates to demeaning women in general, which I think is the concern going around. I think it does portray pirates in general in a bad light.

Don’t brutalize me with your comments!

Definition of brutalize
transitive verb
1 : to make brutal, unfeeling, or inhuman

Also, there’s a difference between a theme park ride and a PG-13 movie.

I think it’s differing levels of realism.