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#618260
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48 fps!
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I finally saw the Hobbit, in old fashioned 24fps. The comments here and elsewhere were not very encouraging about the 48fps - though I still have an academic interest in seeing it in that format. Maybe after my next paycheck. And I don't know if I was primed to notice or it was particularly glaring, but the motion blur in some big scenes was quite irritating.

As a movie, it was...entertaining. But I couldn't help but feel it had too many of the worst characteristics of the PT. Maybe I'll dig up my Hobbit thread to complain in there :P

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#617320
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A Post-ROTJ Trilogy: What's To Come for the Big Three, And More
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Echoing others who have commented, I really like how you've taken ownership of the material.

NeverarGreat said:

Thanks!

I've got a question for a fellow writer:

Which do you find more difficult to write, a prequel story or a sequel story?

I ask this because it seems to me that prequels fly in the face of one of the most integral writing styles used by most writers, that of letting the story gain a life of its own, and go in unexpected directions. It seems that as the prequels would be seen by many people before the originals, the prequels must therefore be smaller in scope than the originals, and have a collapsed sense of awareness about them. This has been very difficult perspective for me to write from, as I must unlearn what I have learned (including that line!), if only to look at everything anew.

Do you find this to be true?

Nerverar really hits the nail on the head with this question. Making a PT that is constrained within the scope of the OT and yet surprising, engaging and important as its own story is really hard. I've really only recently come around to realizing how much more it needs to be than an explanation of the OT. I think there is sympathy to be had for GL on that front. Half of his PT was to provide unnecessary background for the OT and the other half was a superfluous original story. Thus it never felt sufficiently important in any way.

I do wonder, McFlabbergasty if there is one great challenge in each episode (eg the Death Star) or if at least the first episode is more akin to Empire in that the hero must come face-to-face with her destiny? I know I have an ongoing concern in my own PT struggles with the story feeling grand enough.

McFlabbergasty said:

What do you guys think of the whole "third way" business? It's based on one of the very few things I liked about the prequels: Qui-Gon's unorthodox, anti-authority stance on being a Jedi. I'm thinking of making this philosophy the linchpin of Jeni's character and worldview.

Also something I'm thinking about. So far I think it doesn't work to have a third way/grey Jedi (I'm assuming they are the same idea?). I think of Yoda's words: Once you start down the Dark Path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Or I think about the description of the Dark Side as being quicker and easier, that it is based in hate and anger. All in all, it's a slippery slope and no self-respecting person with a sense of the Force should go in that direction. I don't think it makes much sense to be Jedi-ish.

I do think the third way business resonates nowadays because many aspects of our society have moved toward a more relativistic philosophy. And yes, also, it makes for a dynamic story, it's a twist.

I also agree that Qui-Gon was interesting for not being dogmatic. But to my eye, that need not qualify as a third way. There were also clear differences between Obi-Wan and Yoda. And Luke was also his own man, choosing faith in and commitment to his friends, while Yoda and Obi-Wan would have had him act in commitment to a 'greater' goal. I like the idea that being a Jedi does have a fundamental meaning, but that doesn't mean individual Jedi are all the same.

I think showing the human struggle in the context of being a Jedi makes for an interesting story, without having to reject being a Jedi in some fashion. I think it means exploring the real foundational elements of Jediism, not reducing being a Jedi to being religiously orthodox. I think the question is what makes for a positive connection to the Force vs a negative one?

I'm enjoying your work and it's spurring good discussion!

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#617302
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The Armchair Movie Critic thread
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The Holiday [spoiler warning, heh]:

1. Jude Law's character receives a couple of calls on his cellphone while in the presence of his new-found love interest (Cameron Diaz) and she sees the caller IDs of "Sophie" and "Olivia" and gets sorta jealous. We later learn those are his two daughters (who are like 5-7?) spending the weekend at their grandparents'. Why in the world do those children have cellphones?

2. He doesn't answer for one of his daughter's call. Granted the grandparents might call if there was a serious problem...but ignoring the phone call of your young daughter for no good reason?

3. Jude Law has sex with Diaz in his sister's bed a couple of times and it's never even a thought that it might be inappropriate.

4. Kate Winslet, a mere journalist, got a last minute ticket to L.A. for the holidays...how?

5. Diaz got fed up with the loneliness of being in a small cottage in England after a day or two and was going to go back to L.A. when she could have headed for London or Paris and done anything. Plus where would that have left Winslet for the home exchange - would she have been allowed to stay?

6. Diaz's reviewed the movie trailer her team was creating and called for a couple of changes...yet it aired in England the next day.

7. The home exchange internet site appeared as a specialized program imbedded in the Desktop (in the shape of a house) which was ridiculous.

8. Diaz drove into town in the snow on narrow roads, confused and frustrated by having to drive on the wrong side. She then went into a market where she chugged a bottle of wine and presumably had to drive home in that condition.

9. Diaz had at least 3 different coats for her 2 week trip. And why did she bring a cocktail dress when she intended to be alone, delighted by the fact that there were "Zero" men in the town, according to Winslet?

10. Diaz's chauffeur refused to drive her all the way to the cottage because the lane was narrow and he wouldn't be able to turn around. Yet Law never has that issue in his SUV, nor does the chauffeur have that issue when he later picks her up and drives her back to the cottage when she has a change of heart.

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#614818
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The Hobbit movie: Dwarves
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darth_ender said:

So I'm getting behind a trilogy better now, just because I do like the idea of more background information being made accessible.  As long as Jackson shows fidelity to Tolkein's intents for the most part, I think I can support the full trilogy.

This article struck me as interesting:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1694086/the-hobbit-trailer.jhtml

It includes the new trailer (finally!), which I can't watch right now but I'm excited to see.

Most interesting to me was the background information on Radagast the Brown.  So much of Gandalf's wizard order is merely inferred and not revealed in the books.  Seeing another wizard would be, frankly, pretty stinkin' cool.  And while never explicitly stated, it seems that the Necromancer in the Hobbit was likely supposed to be Sauron in the end, or considering the Hobbit preceded TLOTR by so many years, he served merely as an inspiration for the later expanded Sauron idea.  It seems that the Hobbit films will definitively tie the two together.

Also fun, if you'd like to play some riddles in the dark, go here:

http://apps.warnerbros.com/thehobbit/riddles/us/

You can guess and submit your own. 

I'm pretty sure that the Necromancer is Sauron in LOTRO (the MMO), though I skimmed that part.

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#614817
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Pro/Anti Sports Discussion
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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Of course Warbler is going to tell me that most of these are not sports, the way he told me wrestling isn't a sport ;P

you are putting words into my mouth that are not there.   Of soccer and rowing and horse racing are sports.   The only reason I said wrestling wasn't a sport, was because the results are predetermined, and of course I was referring to WWF and WCW style of wrestling.   However, if you are talking about the kind of wrestling they do in highschool, college and at the olympic games,  I do consider that a sport.   

Twas a joke, playing on the overextended joke about wrestling we had going on. And what about girls volleyball??

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#614752
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Pro/Anti Sports Discussion
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Warbler said:

CP3S said:

 Sports is just dumb meaningless shit. It is a bunch of people playing a stupid game, and even more people obsessing about them playing this stupid game.

its called having fun.   You should try it some time.  

some other idiot said:

 Star Wars is just dumb meaningless shit. It is a bunch of people watching a stupid movie, and even more people obsessing about them playing the stupid video games based on it.

At least movies have a narrative :P I've seen The Replacements a couple of times and it's fun enough.

Why should I care about team X "from" state X with mascot X? I mean if sports teams were truly representative of their home states (like Hunger Games) I could probably get more into them. I "played" soccer in high school (mostly from the bench). It was fun enough to actually do, but I never feel a desire to watch others do it. I rowed for a time as well but rowing would be sort of silly to watch if I didn't personally know the people. I had good friends who played volleyball in high school and would enjoy it because I felt some investment because of them. Plus, you know, girls volleyball. Horse racing is something else I can enjoy, when I bet on races. Without some sense of a personal stake, I just don't get it.

Of course Warbler is going to tell me that most of these are not sports, the way he told me wrestling isn't a sport ;P

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#614569
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Pro/Anti Sports Discussion
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darth_ender said:

I love sports.  I loved watching when Wayne Gretsky threw the ol' pigskin in the basket, thus making an eagle and going on to break the 30-love tie to win the World Series for Penn State.  When was that?  Back in '59 I think.  Man, those were the days!  I love sports!

Did you edit your post to fix a technical error?

Bingowings said:

It's the primitive tribalism of it I resent the most.

The sectarianism, the colours, the chants, the nationalism in miniature.

I do wonder if this is the draw for people, some deep biological yearning for that tribalism?

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#614536
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When/Why did you become an OT purist?
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During the 90s I got Star Wars Insider and read all kinds of SW books. For a high school art class I made a clay 2-D representation of Zorba the Hutt. I saw it as silly fun extensions of Star Wars, harmless fun apart from the films.

I wasn't crazy about the Special Editions but it was exciting they were in theaters and I thought most of the ESB changes were good and fun. I was excited for Episode 1 and took the day off from school with two classmates (my only absence of the year and we were all three scolded by our english teacher for it). I think that was the real trigger for me - Episode 1, not my english teacher. I lost my appetite quite a bit as the reality of what made up the new Star Wars sunk in. I wanted the old Star Wars back...

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#614398
Topic
NFL to eliminate kickoffs?
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TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

yep,  it starts the game,  it starts the 2nd half,  it starts overtime,  also it is done after touchdowns, fieldgoals,  and safeties. 

Clarification: after a safety, the kicking team can choose to either kick off or punt.

You lost me at safety.

I read a proposal once to do away with helmets, perhaps that would work better to encourage people to be more careful.

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#614396
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Victory Celebration
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SilverWook said:

Mrebo said:

Tyrphanax said:

I like the Victory Celebration quite a bit as well, having grown up with the SE.

Yub Nub has grown on me, though. To the point where I prefer it.

In the end, they're two very different endings for two very different film series; Yub Nub is the perfect closure for the OT alone (a big, but also very personal victory, with a lot more work to be done), but when you look at the broader picture with the PT and the idea that Jedi was supposed to be the end of Star Wars period, the Victory Celebration fits well (though I've always thought it was a bit weird that Tatooine cared given their backwaterness and Hutt control, and the reaction on Coruscant seemed a bit over-the-top, but that's what Star Wars is about, people rising up to throw off the shackles of oppression-I mean young hot sexy muscular Hayden Christensen (AKA HayChris) with the handsome face before he turned into the white egg man in the cyborg samurai armour with the James Earl Jones voice Darth Vader).

You have an interesting view of hotness. Still the celebrations on other planets didn't really make sense to me. Even with crazy interstellar communications, it would take awhile for the credibility of the message to be established. "Hey Phil, yeah I'm out here on this random moon of Endor *static* sorry what? Anyways, we just blew up the Death Star, and yeah the Emperor is totally dead. And Vader too. So go tell everybody to celebrate." I think the celebrations would have been days or weeks later perhaps. I like Yub Nub also because it's not as epic. It has that quirky and unpretentious Star Wars sensibility.

FYI, Tyrphanax is riffing on our recent troll with the Hayden obsession. ;)

Oh...I've been quite out of it. I saw another thread with a banning but didn't know the foundation.

And you're just on the wrong side of the Ewok line, Bingo!