Mrebo

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

Nazi punchers anonymous

And once again, there’s a total failure by most of the rightwing to unequivocally condemn the Nazis themselves. The fact that some of the anti-Nazi protesters attacked police and journalists does not mean that the anti-fascist demonstrators are just as bad as the neoNazis themselves. I’m getting really tired of this false equivalence.

I like how you characterize apologetics and whataboutism into…how dare you draw a false equivalence - even if nobody is doing that. What does the rightwing have to do with that Vox article?

chyron8472 said:

When you say this:

Mrebo said:

I think Trump is doing what he promised […] keeping out murderers/rapists and other Mexicans

and Trump said this:

Donald Trump said:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. …And some, I assume, are good people.

Your “and other Mexicans” put next to Trump’s afterthought of “some, I assume, are good people” colors your view of Mexicans as similarly absurd as Trump’s, in the same manner as Trump’s.

I explained what I meant and as the quote from Trump shows (which I hadn’t reviewed), he wanted to crack down on Mexican immigration, even apparently if that means keeping out “some…good people.” So my description of his position seems fairly accurate. Trident is apparently upset that Trump is doing that. I pointed out, and as the quote you provide shows, it was understood that Trump was going to be taking a hardline on Mexican immigration, keeping out the bad as well as the good. My representation of Trump’s view is not my own.

Trump keeping Mexican immigrants out does not substantially reduce the amount of murder and rape in this country—both because there is already a vastly superior percentage of murderers and rapists who were born here, and because the number of murderers and rapists among Mexican immigrants has been fact-checked and proven to be historically low.

Cool.

Now those Muslims on the other hand… (To clarify…here I am referencing Trident’s post. The one that is apparently less ‘problematic’ than mine, but YMMV.)

SilverWook said:

Luke will return in the flesh, saying he’s feeling much better, but frustratingly never finishes telling anyone exactly what happened to him.

I hope Luke fades-in back on the rock.

Nazi punchers anonymous

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

the popular takeaway of what he meant (all Mexicans)

Um ok.

You don’t think he meant that?

Let me break it down for you. Trident says he supported Trump in part because of the ‘Muslim Ban’ but is rather put off by him keeping out Mexicans. I pointed out, by referencing Trump’s words (murderers/rapists) along with the popular takeaway of what he meant (all Mexicans), that Trident should not be surprised.

Citation is look at what is being responded to.

Ithorian

suspiciouscoffee said:

Mrebo said:

Reylo

REPORTED

I deserve that.

SilverWook said:

This is getting to be like watching my parents fight. 😦

I played Solitaire. Fun times.

Relevant to ostensible topic of this thread, there is a lot of bad faith going around. Relying on claims sexism/racism is an unholy distraction that creates bad faith among fans.

Amazing story of Mayo Hospital trying to take control of patient.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/13/health/mayo-clinic-escape-1-eprise/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

The behavior of Mayo is encapsulated by this passage:

A spokeswoman for the Mayo Clinic said hospital officials would be willing to answer CNN’s questions if Alyssa signed a privacy release form giving them permission to discuss her case publicly with CNN. The spokeswoman, Ginger Plumbo, supplied that form to CNN.

Alyssa signed the form, but Plumbo declined to answer CNN’s questions on the record. Instead, she provided a statement, which said in part, “We will not address these questionable allegations or publicly share the facts of this complex situation, because we do not believe it’s in the best interest of the patient and the family. … Our internal review determined that the care team’s actions were true to Mayo Clinic’s primary value that the patient’s needs come first. We acted in a manner that honored that value for this patient and that also took into account the safety and well-being of the team caring for the patient.”

Reylo

Handman said:

I don’t know if I want Q back. His story ended perfectly with the series finale. And look what happened when he showed up in Voyager.

So much Voyager hate! Seeing Kate Mulgrew as a clown was particularly sad, though I don’t care for OITNB. I would love to see her come back.

Be great if they brought Captain Janeway back for a few episodes.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Mrebo said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

My “tribute” to Roy Lichtenstein.

“un voleur”

Yes, I know. But I wanted to homage this perfectly.

“une pipe” then 😉

I don’t read the Atlantic enough to know what they tend to do. You have a point about the oddness of staying neutral if they perceive such danger as they proclaimed. Maybe it’s the journalistic ethic of staying neutral and pretense of a higher calling. Maybe the recognition that they’re not going to change anything by joining an already full chorus. The damage is done, so to speak, and waiting it out is really all one can do.

I do think there is a whole lot more to Trump’s actions than distracting people.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The Reagan Administration was fine with big government when it game to defense spending, bombing foreigners, the War on Drugs, and the like. That was always part of the plan and has nothing to do with “small government”. The “big government” that he was against was the “big government” that protects civil rights, provides relief for the poor, addresses the AIDS epidemic, etc. etc.

Not just the Reagan Administration, but conservatives across the board.

Remember the howling about the budget deficit under Obama…where are they now?

That is most frustrating to me. I thought the Tea Party was great but once the GOP started winning seats and then the presidency, it disappeared. We do see that dynamic on both sides sadly. If the Left had kept up its anti-war and pro-immigrant power during Obama’s time that could have really made a difference. There is a fear of rocking the boat and losing out on the crumbs you can get when your own people are in power.

When it comes to defense against foreign threats it is recognized that is one area that stands apart. That’s not about the government being involved in the life of its citizens and it said to be demanded by external realities. You can argue we have too much spending or activity on that front - I was satisfied that the sequester bill limited defense spending - but it does stand apart.

Unless one is a pure and faithful libertarian, there is going to be inconsistency. Human beings typically have sets of beliefs yet believe certain exceptions are called for because they’re just so important. On closer examination maybe they’re not but most people aren’t robots.

I’m not a libertarian, I favor small government, and there are many areas where I favor some activity. If I happen to favor robust action in a few areas, that doesn’t qualify me as a hypocrite. I’m not sure what those areas would be but my view is that government should generally be kept small and has overreached in many areas.

It is frustrating to many conservatives (but certainly not most) that GOP leaders don’t seem generally so keen on smaller government once they have power. GW Bush really failed in terms of smaller government. Reagan was imperfect but at least he tried.

This article helped me understand the intense dislike some have for Jordan Peterson.

DuracellEnergizer said:

My “tribute” to Roy Lichtenstein.

“un voleur”

mfm, tax cuts and deregulation are part and parcel of small government. Sniping about the imperfect implementation (which happens for all kinds of reasons not related to dishonesty or bad intent) isn’t convincing.

vowel or is this

Jesus Frink is a terrifying idea.

DominicCobb said:

I just had a donut.

I was wondering what Dom has been up to.

Trident, your post confused me but I don’t know your posts/views terribly well so I don’t know if all of it is serious.

I think Trump is doing what he promised in many respects, rolling back globalism, keeping out murderers/rapists and other Mexicans, and distancing America from allies, among other things.

Good talk.

Yes, I was saying both. I thought of her as the rocks being thrown, by Bernie and that protest segment of the party. Not an obvious double entendre but to make absolutely clear: I also was saying she comes across as dumb.