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Mrebo

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#1227364
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The Nihilism Thread
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Any good thing that I do and that other people find meaningful is something that is meaningful because it touched other people in an apparently beneficial way rather than it being some deed of cosmic significance. I find that kind of pleasant.

I think that is a good reason to forsake the emptiness of nihilism. If there were no intrinsic meaning in life, then attributing meaning to it and getting pleasure from it would seem highly desirable and itself meaningful.

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#1226913
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Has Star Wars finally "jumped the shark"?
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I imagine there were people who thought the shark jump wasn’t that bad, maybe even good.

The Leia thing mostly worked for me. For whatever reason, I got what was happening and it held together just enough. I would compare it to surviving a fall from a plane in an inflatable raft, which also worked just enough for me, more than the shark or fridge. And even then I don’t think Leia in space was that extreme. At the end of the day it’s a mostly subjective determination.

What I think is unforgivable is how they think they got Leia back in. Simply put they couldn’t have gotten her in time.

Rey’s radical progress in using the Force is the shark jump for me.

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#1226693
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The Something Political Thread (Was: Random Political Thoughts)
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Agree, Puggo.

I have heard relatively nuanced takes on what cultural appropriation is supposed to mean, but in reality it translates to kneejerk responses to any use of others’ cultural imagery.

The question should be whether a use is actually offensive. And even then it’s not a given. Parading around on Halloween dressed as a long dead Egyptian whose burial treatment was supposed to be reverential is arguably offensive.

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#1226656
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

So, does anybody have an intelligent response to my “letters”?

I don’t know what really happened in that store either. People want to believe that a white person calling police on a black person for some trivial thing = racism. Sometimes might be, but it’s not a given.

I related before the time I witnessed a (black) McDonald’s security guard call the police on two (white) law school students, who were then arrested for trespass.

They were just sitting at the table. But they were also drunk and a little rowdy. I can’t recall but maybe they’d been there awhile without buying something. But mostly they were just sitting there and refusing to leave when asked.

If the races were reversed I bet that would be seen differently.

People call the police for trivial things regardless of race. As for your letters, I don’t think people much care what the truth is.

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#1226640
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All Things Star Trek
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chyron8472 said:

Dek Rollins said:

Man the thing I love about Enterprise is that everything Kirk supposedly did first was actually done first by this Archer guy. That’s the best and most original writing to come out of Star Trek in years.

What did Kirk supposedly do first that no one else in the whole of Starfleet couldn’t have similarly done previously? By the time Kirk became a captain, Starfleet had been around for hundreds of years.

Enterprise doesn’t retcon Kirk doing anything first. And just because Kirk is routinely going where no man has gone before doesn’t mean no man has ever been anywhere Kirk ever goes.

Kirk apologist!

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#1226497
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

Well, I know it effected my vote. There are a few Republicans I would have preferred instead of Hillary Clinton. There some if I had to choose between one of them and Hillary, I would vote third party. But Trump seemed so bad to me that I felt I had to vote in a way to give him the lowest chance possible that my vote could do. To that meant voting for Hillary. I felt opposition to Trump needed to be unified and in that election that meant voting for Hillary. If it had been Jeb Bush instead of Trump, I might have voted third party. If it had been Kasich running against Hillary, I might have considered voting for him at the time or voted third party, I would not have voted for Hillary. So you see Trump being a sneering loudmouth can effect how someone votes.

But we’re talking about the supporters not the candidates.

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#1226481
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Anyone who voted based on comments other people made deserve the shitty country they have. Voting shouldn’t be like a YouTube comment section.

I’ve never understood that mindset. It sounds like the logic of a child who only gets more angry and nasty when you tell them they’re misbehaving.

To be fair, most people’s logic behind electoral choices is pretty weak. When people say they’re voting for a candidate because the people on the other side are sneering loudmouths, that’s not really true. The vast majority of people would vote the same way regardless, they might just feel even better about their choice. There is some effect of not wanting to be in the company of people who seem loony or racist or deplorable or smug, etc. That’s perfectly understandable, but as I said I don’t think many votes are affected.

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#1226438
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.

What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.

What a silly and erroneous response. I expect more from you.

Why? It’s pretty typical of my commentary.

Yeah when you get worked up but you can do better.

I don’t know. I’m an angry guy full of bitterness and hatred, so I don’t think I get much better than that.

But you do better when you’re not trying to run a point into the ground. I’ve seen it.

I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.

Discrimination is a manifestation of intolerance.

Yes, but once intolerance manifests itself in discrimination, it becomes illegal. This is a very basic concept.

But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.

Discrimination based on immutable characteristics is illegal.

Can be, but not always. Obvious example that we’ve been discussing is religious organizations. Private clubs and individuals can also discriminate.

We could under American law require all adoption agencies to not discriminate, but the fact that religious organizations are allowed is not itself illegal. This is all the stuff we’ve been discussing.

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#1226431
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/donald-trump-putin-helsinki-summit/index.html

Thoughts:

Conservatives got mad at Obama for blaming America and being overly conciliatory to hostile nations (including Russia), so this reverse is darkly amusing.

Oh my God. Is that really how you’re interpreting this? People aren’t mad at Trump for being conciliatory to Russia. They’re mad at him for being treasonous! Even if you disagree with that assessment, don’t fucking lie about why they’re mad at him!

The target of my comment were conservatives who support Trump. You can tell that because that is who I wrote about. I said nothing about the people who are mad at Trump. You can tell that because I wrote nothing about them. I’m saying that Trump supporters are showing inconsistency. You can tell that because that was what I actually wrote.

You were implying a false equivalence to the criticisms of Obama and Trump. The criticisms of those two men in relation to this are totally different.

Do we want more Cold War?

Do we want an illegitimate president? Trump has been alienating all of our allies since he took office so why do you suddenly care about diplomatic relations?

Okay. Strange that an open-ended question about a realistic possibility is met with accusations.

It’s obvious that that was your implication. If I say that my next door neighbor is a murderer and then follow that up with the statement, “Do I really want the police prowling around my neighborhood?” then that implies that I’m at least considering that it’d be better to leave the murderer in place rather than face that situation.

There are areas of our country that don’t want the police around even where there are murders going on. These are complex issues.

That’s because the police are constantly beating the shit out of innocent people or outright murdering them. That wasn’t even my point, I was just using it as an example of what you were obviously implying.

It’s a good analogy you came up with that helpfully illustrates what I’m arguing.

Obviously we need to face the Russia situation. I’m not sure what we do, whether we go back to a Cold War situation or what. Events have been pushing us in that direction well before Trump. And yes, the politics now makes it more difficult. I’m not talking about Trump, just what can our country do about Russia.

What does that have to do with anything? You’re redirecting the discussion away from Trump’s actions again.

Okay…I was talking about Russia. Still am. As I said before, talk about Trump to your heart’s content. But I’m addressing the problem with Russia that will be with us past Trump.

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#1226419
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

Freedom means that people are going to be intolerant.

What do you honestly care about freedom? You see no problem with the sitting American president allowing one of the world’s most oppressive dictators to meddle in our elections. Do not, for one second, act as though you care at all about American freedoms.

What a silly and erroneous response. I expect more from you.

Why? It’s pretty typical of my commentary.

Yeah when you get worked up but you can do better.

I don’t see much reason to respond to your post beyond this since it doesn’t even have anything to do with what we’re talking about. We’re talking about discrimination, not intolerance, which are separate issues.

Discrimination is a manifestation of intolerance.

Yes, but once intolerance manifests itself in discrimination, it becomes illegal. This is a very basic concept.

But that is what we are discussing! Discrimination is not always illegal. The basic concept is generally true, but not always. The real target, ultimately, is the intolerance itself, which can manifest in all manner of ways that would be difficult to end without destroying freedom.