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aalenfae said:

Oh, certainly. Actually, much of TPM was models (besides anything to do with gungans). Most people don't realize that.
Much of the podrace was CGI, but then again, much of it was models as well.

And almost every spaceship was a model, too. That's one reason I love many of the effects shots in TPM. They're the perfection of the Original Star Wars model shots. As real as they get, really. Then AotC came in, which ditched the models.

If somebody (cough, cough) Adywan (cough), could replace the obviously-CGI space ships and such in AotC and RotS with models, I think a great service would be done.

I've always said that Phantom Menace was always the best looking Star Wars film as far as effects go. Which is why I don't get the hate it gets for it's CGI. 

SilverKey said:

Good points, Bingowings.

I'm very curious about the full Tatooine segment that was shot for AOTC, but wasn't found on either the DVD or Blu-ray. There are supposed to be scenes with Padme and Beru talking, Padme fixing up 3PO, and Anakin and Padme receiving Ben's message in the garage, and a proper goodbye to the Lars'. There should be some good character material in there, and I'm curious why they keep holding it back. They even put animatics among the deleted scenes...

A way to fix that situation with Anakin's mother might be that the Jedi did free Anakin's mother, and that he is allowed to see her again once he finished his training. This information could be relayed during the conversation Anakin and Obi-Wan have when they are watching Padme's bedroom. There is a lot of off screen dialogue that could be fit in there, which would be more interesting than that current boring talk about politics.

Then, as Anakin goes to find his mother on Tatooine, he could go to Watto, as that would be the first place he would know to look. Watto's dialogue could be reshuffled to something like "...someone named Lars, at least I think it was Lars. After the Jedi freed her, he married her! Can you beat that!", and so on.

This might also give some more weight to Anakin feeling he wasn't in time to save her: he blames himself for not having finished his training sooner, which would of course lead to him blaming Obi-Wan.

This is genius, Silverkey. Utter genius. And it can actually be accomplished too. 

Though I also like Bingowing's idea.... 

Bingowings said:

As the post was all about the Lars family and their relationship to Anakin and Shmi I think 'absolutely nothing to do with' is a bit harsh.

Sadly the footage as it currently stands is very limited in use.

You could replace Obi-Wan with Anakin at the library looking up the details of the Jedi 'parent pension plan' and possibly replace Jocasta with another actor or doctor it so she says his mother 'doesn't exist' and get the details from a redubbed Watto.

It's not as if the impressive library actually adds anything to the investigation sub-plot so it would make sense if the scene of a bloody massacre in ROTS would have some link to Anakin's feelings of betrayal by the order.

It would be much easier to remove the actors playing Owen and Beru (even though in terms of looks they were perfectly cast) and replace them with people delivering something of plot value rather than just walking in, waving at the screen so they can be remembered for the last shot of ROTS.

So like, would Cliegg be the Jedi parent dude? 

Bingowings said:

One problem I had with the Shmi thing is it really makes the Jedi out to be utter gits to just abandon the mother of their chosen one to a continued life of slavery.

I get that a Jedi has to limit his attachments to the material world and Tatooine is beyond the borders of the Republic but they would have made some arrangement to purchase her freedom, pension Shmi off and have her protected to some degree.

So instead of having Watto say he sold her to some bloke who took advantage of her gratitude and married her for a while before losing her to the Apach... Tusken Raiders why not have her taken in by another native Jedi's family?

Someone who knows what to expect when they lose a child to the temple.

Perhaps Ben's dad or the father of (and I know some of you aren't going to like this) Ben's other pupil's family.

This would explain the bad chemistry between Owen Lars and Ben Kenobi if he was his brother or the teacher of his brother who ran off and joined old Ben on some damn fool idealistic crusade.

Although that has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said, it does interest me greatly. But how would you pull it off with current footage? 

Good for him.

Still a terrible idea, IMHO, but if he can pull it off more power to him.

So like, has anyone come up with an idea to make Anakin's relationship with the Lars family and Shmi more integral to the plot of Attack of the Clones? Because after Shmi's death, that whole thing doesn't affect the plot of the rest of the movie AT ALL. 

princethomas said:

Brimley said:

Bingowings said:

If you have to give the other guy a name, why not call him Luke?

That way people will assume Luke Skywalker is named after his father and not after the friend of his father who is later betrayed and murdered by him.

GENIUS!

No way this works. Im sorry. It sounds interesting actually, but no way it actually makes that a shock.  I say again. Ask yourself, if YOU would be fooled. Not some hypothetical first timer. Would YOU see this, and then see A New Hope and not say Oh, I see where this is going.

No, and that's why I hate this whole "preserve the secret" thing, because none of the suggestions are good. None of them. Not a single one. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB54JGNu6vQ&feature=player_embedded#!

This song plays RIGHT after Shmi dies

mrbenja0618 said:

princethomas said:

Because a blank normal looking forehead, while technically consistant, doesn't do much for ADDING continuity. It just removes a very very minor difference.

 

Adding moles to Alec Guiness however does the opposit. There is something particular to notice that automatically calls back to the other one.

 

I understand that the attitude around here is very OT Now OT Forever! I don't think a blanket rule of change the PT to fit the OT is necessarily smart. Regardless of what you'd like, you only have so much to work with.

It can be your guiding principle in general, but you really need to be making whatever changes you feel you need, on either side to make the best possible version.

 

I'm not sold on the whole preserving surprises. I get why you want it, but I think 1, its impossible and 2 you are shortchanging the reverse viewings of those surprises. I am your father is still in the movie. Its just different. Now its, the audience knows, but Luke does not. And that isn't nothing. Its a very powerful scene when view from that *ahem* point of view. Im not saying its AS good, but its got its own merits.

Ask yourself. Has knowing Vader is Luke's father diminished the scene all these years since you first saw it? Don't you still watch Luke closely for his reaction to the truth?

 

Assuming that a new viewer has no idea about Darth Vader and Luke. I think its interesting to be in on the lie that Obi-Wan tells. And then to hear Vader say Obi-Wan never told you etc. He told me enough, he told me you killed him.

All of that is fascinating Id say to a first timer. I can imagine being on the edge of my seat waiting to see if Vader is going to drop the bomb on Luke and how Luke will react.

 

You trade in some twist shock (which I think is a bit overrated) and gain a little suspense.

 

Not saying its better or AS good, but it doesn't suck.

This is a valid argument, and I've even seen that it's true for SW newbies. However, as you said it's probably not a better situation (even if isn't bad) and if we can preserve the surprise (and I think it can be done) why not do it? If you have the opportunity to make it stronger, then make it stronger.

Because we can't without removing a bunch of really cool stuff.

Seriously, we can't. Anyone who thinks so is fooling themselves. 

princethomas said:

Because a blank normal looking forehead, while technically consistant, doesn't do much for ADDING continuity. It just removes a very very minor difference.

 

Adding moles to Alec Guiness however does the opposit. There is something particular to notice that automatically calls back to the other one.

 

I understand that the attitude around here is very OT Now OT Forever! I don't think a blanket rule of change the PT to fit the OT is necessarily smart. Regardless of what you'd like, you only have so much to work with.

It can be your guiding principle in general, but you really need to be making whatever changes you feel you need, on either side to make the best possible version.

 

I'm not sold on the whole preserving surprises. I get why you want it, but I think 1, its impossible and 2 you are shortchanging the reverse viewings of those surprises. I am your father is still in the movie. Its just different. Now its, the audience knows, but Luke does not. And that isn't nothing. Its a very powerful scene when view from that *ahem* point of view. Im not saying its AS good, but its got its own merits.

Ask yourself. Has knowing Vader is Luke's father diminished the scene all these years since you first saw it? Don't you still watch Luke closely for his reaction to the truth?

 

Assuming that a new viewer has no idea about Darth Vader and Luke. I think its interesting to be in on the lie that Obi-Wan tells. And then to hear Vader say Obi-Wan never told you etc. He told me enough, he told me you killed him.

All of that is fascinating Id say to a first timer. I can imagine being on the edge of my seat waiting to see if Vader is going to drop the bomb on Luke and how Luke will react.

 

You trade in some twist shock (which I think is a bit overrated) and gain a little suspense.

 

Not saying its better or AS good, but it doesn't suck.

All of my yes to this. 

If we want to integrate the two trilogies, let's be honest: someone needs to figure out what the hell Luke was talking about when he said Dagobah seemed "familiar." 

Also, please cut out the entire Federation part of the music during Vader's march on the Jedi Temple, and keep it exclusively Imperial March. There's no reason for the Federation theme to be there. 

aalenfae said:

Glad you like it!
But yeah, there's still some places that need a lot of work. I'm not even sure that I'm going to use THAT version of the Imperial March. Still looking for options.

But that version  worked so well! It's "triumphant" in it's evilness!

Unless you can find a more powerful version of that cue, I implore you to keep it. Seriously, it's that good.

Love that mother trucking Imperial March transition, and how it mirrors Vader's decision to save Luke in ROTJ. But then after the imperial march, it's like...I dunno. You need to work on the soundtrack there. 

thejediknighthusezni said:

       105ANH/75ESB cliffhanger  30ESB+YodaBenROtJ/45tPM/75AOTC/30ROTS    90ROTS/90RotJ ;/

What......

DominicCobb said:

Yeah, sorry, let me rephrase.

I was under the impression that whenever Vader was in the need, he would sneak a peek into his (hush-hush) annular cavity and let those things do what they do best to him: wax and rub every nook and cranny while making sure to finish his knobs too.

Better? 

Invader In The Vader

Nothing memorable about the Prequels?

That's....c'mon, that's slightly ridiculous. 

Jaitea said:

It is a shame that we didn't see iconic ships in earlier forms in the prequels, shiny new x-wings, the Y-Wings that appeared in the cartoons....perhaps a YT-1300 without modifications and no missing panels etc.

I think the thing I missed in ROTJ was the lack of scenes inside the Falcon.....so no YT-1300 in the prequels was a shame. To me its a bit like bringing Dr Who or Space 1999 back with no TARDIS or Eagle Transporter.

What we did get was the Blockade Runner (Tantive 4) and the ARC-170 which were reminiscent of the X-wings.

J

Are you kidding? I say we can count ourselves lucky there was no Falcon or Falcon-imitator in the prequels. 

Bingowings said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

              Has anyone tried simply recoloring the Jedi robes in the PT?

             You could have black or deep royal blue or something.

 

 

             Edit: Also, are we being directed from the saga thread to this one or are ESB&ROTJ and PREQ RAD being directed to SAGA?

I'm not sure if anyone has actually done it but the idea has been considered :

That it was one sexy, sexy robe. 

Bingowings said:

I have to disagree there.

The difference is down to design not in universe plausibility.

I remember seeing AOTC and being rather taken with the opening scene of a giant chrome wing landing on foggy Coruscant.

The Star Destroyer is a piece of military brutalism.

It's matte clustered detail lends it a sense of massive scale.

The Naboo ships aren't from that same design ethic.

They are meant to look light and shiny and they do.

A VC10 looks just as other worldly :

One may argue that the resolution of the digital medium and the computer model get in the way of selling the model itself but the idea is sound and plausible.

Honestly, the "clean" designs of the ships in I and II are one of the best ideas from the Prequels. The Prequels should also be DIFFERENT from the PT guys, remember? 

I'm disappointed nobody got my The Master reference. 

Bingowings said:

Anchorhead isn't a settlement he is a man.

Anchorhead is a writer, a doctor, a nuclear physicist, a theoretical philosopher. But above all, he is a man—a hopelessly inquisitive man just like you

fishmanlee said:

Bingowings said:

The pilots look worried, Han frequently shows signs of disbelief at what he is hearing.

Of course, thats before Han joins the rebellion, and Luke becomes a full-fledged Jedi....

And that they think the Death Star is not yet operational...

Yeah, the whole point of the cavalier way everyone is treating the briefing is that they ARE confident. They don't know the Emperor has set a trap in motion. By making them look all solemn and serious, it ruins that effect. And I mean, it's not like they're cracking fart jokes while talking about taking down the Death Star. 

Bingowings said:

This threat is full of lairs.

Hugo Drax? 

DominicCobb said:

Preserve the secret that Vader is Luke's father in the PT.

What's that? People think that's a good idea. Wow.

 

 

(I [mostly] kid)

Can't stop laughing