MrInsaneA

Bingowings said:

I'd say neither.

I'd have Anakin's sword stolen by Grievous and retrieved from him or better still from Padme's pad or ship (she could have brought it along because of the mystery of him leaving it behind and what that implies).

What you just described, with Padme bringing the lightsaber to Mustafar, is actually a very cool concept, and is pretty much the only way I'd be okay with this idea. But then again, that sounds like it'd be a nightmare to edit.

Bingowings said:

From Anakin Vader's point of view the Jedi and Obi-Wan have been revealed to be just as corrupt and dangerous as they taught him the Sith were so I have no problem with him using a blade given to him by his new boss.

It also keeps the blade Luke gets from Ben 'clean'.

By having Vader reject his Jedi weapon and take up the colours of a Sith Lord it leaves Ben free to pass on the baton of Jedi Knighthood to Luke and not that of a wife strangling, infanticidal egomaniac.

Yeah, but you can also argue that it adds even more so to the reveal that Vader is Luke's father. Luke's been following in the footsteps, and using the same blade as one of the galaxy's most notorious mass murderers. It adds to the mind **** of the whole "I am your father" thing.

And just the idea that Palaptine would feel that Vader ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to use a sith weapon when he already has a lightsaber of his own, is just kind of weird to me.  But I dunno, that's just my opinion. 

Angel said:

MrInsaneA said:

I think you guys are missing the point of what a FAN EDIT can be. Why not make it so they have a better relationship by adding/cutting/restructuring scenes? That's entirely possible, I've seen it in other edits. Giving him a red lightsaber at that point in the saga just says "Another sith." instead of "A fallen Jedi."

We are not missing anything captain.

The red saber was bob's idea when the first workprint was released. He changed his mind when he saw that new visuals can redeem ROTS so he start over with new ideas and fresh perspectives.

I havent seen other edits that justify the brother vs brother entirely but still they did create some room for improvements.(except the theKcutter's maybe)

Also i said it again. This edit does not comply with the typical canon of star wars. Its bob's universe and he can create his own continuity along the movies/sagas. He can have luke with red saber if he wants at the end ;)

Also i was never into what a lightsaber color means in fanedits. I tend the use of blue=good vs red=evil and thats it. Bob respects that.

The matter of a purist version of the film is being considered but in an entire other level that i can reveal... ;)

-Angel

Alright. That's a good answer. You made your points well. Sorry if I came across as aggressive. 

haraldo23 said:

MrInsaneA said:

Well IMO I strongly am against it. It's a cool little idea on paper, but in execution, it just ruins the whole "brother against brother" theme.

Well, then why don't you just wait for this edit to come out and then recolor the sabers your way?

I honestly fail to see the problem here.

Because I'm not a technical wizard who knows anything about how to do that.

But here's an idea: why not have a PURIST edition (such as the one Adywan had for ANH:R) where you leave all lightsaber colors the way they are? Windu's, Grievious' and Anakin's lightsaber all remain their respective colors. I think that would be a great compromise.  

Angel said:

The brother vs brother never worked for me.We never get any glimpse that these two are brothers or even friends..but..

...Better show two best friends that now are in different sides with any means nessesary.

-Angel

I think you guys are missing the point of what a FAN EDIT can be. Why not make it so they have a better relationship by adding/cutting/restructuring scenes? That's entirely possible, I've seen it in other edits. Giving him a red lightsaber at that point in the saga just says "Another sith." instead of "A fallen Jedi."

Angel said:

MrInsaneA said:

brash_stryker said:

If only that came across on screen.....he was portrayed as evil from the start.......

And that still doesn't answer my question: why give him a red saber?!

This is isnt final my friend. It looked cool at the start of the project but still not sure if its at the end. The coloring at the end of mustafar begs for a little blue so thats why they kept the blue colors originally.

-Angel

Well IMO I strongly am against it. It's a cool little idea on paper, but in execution, it just ruins the whole "brother against brother" theme.

brash_stryker said:

If only that came across on screen.....he was portrayed as evil from the start.......

Well it IS a fan edit....so isn't the point of all this to make Anakin sympathetic? And that still doesn't answer my question: why give him a red saber?!

Also, this has probably already been brought up here but: why would you give Anakin a red saber?
I loved the blue saber in the final duel. Putting the red saber in just makes the battle black-and-white, good-and-evil, when really, that's not what the fight is about. It's about two old friends facing off against each other. 

Wasn't there talk of merging KCutter's work with BobGarcia's? If that were to happen, I think we'd have a perfect ROTS cut.

mrbenja0618 said:

MrInsaneA said:

Realism? Dude, it's not like they CGI-ed the swordplay in the Mustafar fight. That was their actual movements, in real time. So if they actually did that, that means it's in the realm of possibility. I don't know why two actors awkwardly swinging laser swords at each other is any different from two actors SKILLFULLY swinging laser swords at each other. 

Point is, while some people may like the OT fights better, that doesn't mean the Prequel fights should conform to them. At least in my opinion.

You know, that's like arguing that a real gun fight is just like a paint ball war. You act differently when you know your life is danger, but with paint ball you know you're not going to die from anything so you do things that would be foolish and risky in a real gun fight.

PT looks like paint ball.

Okay fine. But y'know what?
I love paintball. :D

coinilius said:

Rather than have the lights just flickering on and off by themselves, you should just have the lights off but have a 'flash' whenever the lighsabers connect with each other that momentarily lights up the room... might help sell the 'dimmed room' attack and the tension :)  

Hey man, it's not my edit. Don't ask me to change anything.

Palpatine dimmed the lights so that it'd be harder to see him, allowing him to speed through the room undetected and kill the Jedi. The flicker effect also has a secondary purpose: it hides that terrible CGI-Ian McDiaramad's Face-On-Stunt-Double-Effect quite well. :)

Actually, this BobGarcia guy has some fantastic ideas for drastic changes to ROTS. Here are a few that caught my eye. Most of them are just visual changes but still...food for thought.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THBRvtxNPvE&feature=related

Anakin Voice Change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0rrilAXtM

Emperor gets a more O.T. hologram.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c3tV_Qh6TQ

Darker Version of Utapau Arrival.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb4YMtqPhNU&feature=related

This I would say, is an example of how you can keep the Palpy/Mace fight in your words, "dangerous" and suspenseful, while still retaining the Prequel fighting style.  

Realism? Dude, it's not like they CGI-ed the swordplay in the Mustafar fight. That was their actual movements, in real time. So if they actually did that, that means it's in the realm of possibility. I don't know why two actors awkwardly swinging laser swords at each other is any different from two actors SKILLFULLY swinging laser swords at each other. 

Point is, while some people may like the OT fights better, that doesn't mean the Prequel fights should conform to them. At least in my opinion.

Okay, I'd be content if Adywan cut that "lightsaber fight while climbing the tower, and swinging on ropes" part of the Mustafar duel, and I'd be totally chill with a complete restructuring of the Palpy vs Mace duel (the editing there is HORRENDOUS.) 

But I don't want him to go overboard, and try to make the fights "match" the OT fights. And by that I mean make them shorter less choreography/flipping. Not that I don't like the OT style, I love it, but I love the prequel fights even more.  

 

One thing that should NOT be changed...

Shortening, or taking out Lightsaber fights (with the exclusion of any Yoda fight scenes. So unnecessary.) I see a lot of talk about how people here think the PT fights are "frivolous" and "over choreographed." I am STRONGLY against this line of thinking. 

You see, the argument is that these fights have no resonance because we don't care about the characters/plot. However, if Ady can correct those issues, then all of a sudden we have our epic lightsaber battles AND a coherent plot.  Maybe it's because I'm younger, and grew up loving the PT fights, but I would be crushed if they were to be shortened/deleted in any way.