http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QoendOq84s&feature=youtu.be
aalenfae said:
I'm gonna be totally honest, and say that I've never actually had an issue with flipping Dooku. Crazy, I know. And I've mentioned that before, and got lectured on why it should go. All the arguments make sense, and I still don't really mind it xD
That being said, I've been making an effort to remove it from my edit - for the sole reason that it's distracting to viewers. I've removed some other things for the same reason.
So I will continue to look for the best solution to the flip. The best may not be favorable to everybody, though, as I'm far more concerned with pacing and natural flow than removing nitpicky details.
What does the "best" solution look like? Well, I'm not sure yet. I have to explore all the options. But you can be assured that I'll explore every option I can think of.
Honestly, if it can't be edited away without ruining the flow of the scene (which from what I can tell, it can't) just keep it. I don't see what the big deal is either. Old guy does a flip. Okay. Kind of unbelievable, but not that bad, or even that visually stupid.
Aalanfae, you're a genius, and a scholar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PThahkUwY8&feature=youtu.be
I'll just leave this here.
So, I added OT music to some choice scenes from AOTC....no original soundtrack obviously, just musical score.
...how is it heavily implied Boba is his clone? It's actually MUCH easier to believe he's his son. Like, ridiculously easier. Because the clone thing is just dumb.
Aalanfae, my suggestion:
Add more scenes that take place outside of Anakin/Obi's cockpits. Add the vulture droids attacking/clone pilots intercepting to help...but have no dialogue. No shots of Anakin or Obi-Wan in the cockpit. Edit it all together very fast.
That way, when Anakin and Obi-Wan exit their cockpits, it's an epic introduction to two bad-ass as hell Jedi Knights. No dialogue needed, the epic visuals speak for themselves. Just like the start of A New Hope.
I love this idea, and I'm totally going to steal it for my edit.
....why did this die
aalenfae said:
MrInsaneA said:
Not gonna lie....the Dooku battle is kind of a mess.Like, it seems that you cut out wayyyy too much DURING the fight for it to make sense when I watch it. Like, why would you cut out Anakin catching Dooku's saber? Or placing the saber's around Dooku's neck? That, and the Obi-Wan stuff REALLY stood out to me. It's just visually confusing, imho.
All noted. But it's honestly a very complex issue.
The primary issue with Anakin catching Dooku's saber, and putting the sabers up to Dooku's neck is that it's all set up for Anakin to intend to capture Dooku, but be manipulated into killing him - something he really didn't want to do.
I feel that the exchange between Anakin and Palpatine there weakens the plot, and especially the character of Anakin.
If Anakin really deep-down wanted to kill Dooku, I think he would have just... killed Dooku. He's no stranger to killing people. But instead, he reveals that he's really just a pushover. He's pressured to kill Dooku, so he does. And that sets off the chain reaction, where Anakin is simply pressured into doing things he doesn't want to do, and BAM, he's a power-hungry Sith lord. I think it's evident why this is a problem for both story and character.
What's the solution? The solution is to have Anakin simply kill Dooku. He's mad. Dooku really wiped the floor with Anakin in their last fight, so Anakin's hurt ego comes in here. He's not going to lose this time. And he still has a score to settle. "You're going to pay for all the Jedi that you killed today, Dooku!" That's never been resolve either. Anakin has a lot of reasons to want to kill Dooku. And in real-life combat, swordfights don't typically have happy endings.
So that brings us to Anakin actually KILLING Dooku. Now, as I mentioned before, the scene is filmed in such a way that it sets up Anakin forcing Dooku to surrender. Seeing as the film is originally cut, Anakin obviously WANTS to take Dooku alive. So he's rather calm and collected as he plucks Dooku's saber out of the air and puts it to Dooku's neck. This is all fine if Anakin plans to take Dooku alive. But that gives us the problem... that he still needs to kill Dooku, and he has to be manipulated to do so. That's a big no-no, as I established earlier. Having Anakin force Dooku to surrender, Palpatine say nothing, Anakin say nothing, THEN just randomly chop his head off feels really forced and random (and I've seen several edits that do just that).
There's really only one option if we're going to have Anakin kill Dooku un-manipulated. And that's to do it heat-of-the-moment style. Anakin's just fighting Dooku, and he kills him rather brutally. But the current Anakin-plucks-saber-from-air shots do NOT fit with this mood or flow of events. The solution is to not show it happen.
I readily acknowledge that it's kind of awkward to see that Dooku is suddenly headless, and that Anakin suddenly has Dooku's saber, but it actually fixes a whole bunch of problems at the same time. Our brains can easily fill in the details as to what happened. But we can't so easily justify the original cut, or any other arrangement of the shots.
All that being said, I do agree that the duel is somewhat hacked up and random. But the original duel is full of atrocities that really have to go. The entire first few scenes are some of the messiest in the film (apart from the end), and I'm sure that I'll go through several more iterations of these scenes before I'm happy with it.
Unless you have Anakin just stare at Dooku after he catches the saber....have them lock eyes....and THEN Anakin cuts Dooku's head off. That would have Anakin being un-manipulated, but still show that he made the wrong decision.
But you know, everything else...added effects, music, dialogue removal....is fantastic. As always.
Not gonna lie....the Dooku battle is kind of a mess.Like, it seems that you cut out wayyyy too much DURING the fight for it to make sense when I watch it. Like, why would you cut out Anakin catching Dooku's saber? Or placing the saber's around Dooku's neck? That, and the Obi-Wan stuff REALLY stood out to me. It's just visually confusing, imho.
I feel like Pit Droids would be perfect for the palace. I'm all in on that idea.
Has anyone ever discussed changing "Sifo-Dias" in Attack of the Clones to "Qui-Gon?"
So we have a Jedi Master we KNOW who died ten years earlier? It would confirm that the Kaminoans claim that they were recruited by the Jedi was bullshit, and would help a little to clear up the stupid mystery plot.
Aalenfae: Are you changing Mace Windowpane's lightsaber color to blue?
So, for my edits of AOTC and ROTS, I want Anakin to have a theme that’s kind of like a heroic version of the Imperial March. Reminiscent of Anakin’s Theme from TPM, but with more mature and in-line with what we hear in the OT.
Unfortunately, I’m not what you would call a composer. At all.
Does anyone here have any experience with musical composition? Be it in Pro Tools, or some other program? And if not, are there any existing scores (Star Wars media related or otherwise) that you think could be cobbled together to form an “Anakin March” theme?
stretch009 said:
MrInsaneA said:
Where can I find your Episode II edit?
All three episodes are on Myspleen in one torrent. You can also PM Ryan for mega.co.nz links.
Edit: also, Post 22
Yeah, see, MySpleen is asking me for a Username and Password...but isn't giving me the opportunity to make an account?
I've never used this site before.
Where can I find your Episode II edit?
Ay, so it's asking me to login into MySpleen...but I don't have an account. How do I get an account?
So...any progress on those videos?
Yeah, the sooner we can get test videos out there, the better. I really want to kickstart work on resolving this issue.
I'd love to see some test videos from any of you who have ideas on how to do this.
emanswfan said:
MrInsaneA said:
This software comes out soon?
Do you mean that sarcastically?
If not, then yeah the new Adobe stuff comes out May or June I think.
Otherwise, I do remember the other tool. I've tried the trial version (which is fully featured, you just can't export) and it can work miracles. I or someone else could test it out on a scene or two. http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/rx/
No sarcasm here, friend. And I would be eternally grateful if you could test it out.
emanswfan said:
Ronster said:
This Removal of frequencies will only work providing what you are trying to remove does not clash with what you are trying to keep.
If the Dialogue is at the same frequency as a piece of background music then you have no chance of removing it.
The example shown in that video is fine because the police siren is nowhere near the frequency of the dialogue, but a full orchestral score elements of it will be at the same frequency as the dialogue so this won't fix the problem unless you have separate audio tracks.
I know that is an issue, but generally using the spectral analyze you can make more detailed selections. Unless, there something I don't know of, frequency removal is the only way through mono content assuming you are working only with the center channel.
It should be possible though since our brains can seperate the dialogue, music and sound effects from eachother. We just need to figure out how that works software wise.
This software comes out soon?
Bingowings said:
To really understand the Fett/Fan relationship you'd have had to have been there back in the late seventies waiting for news about what is going to happen next when this interesting character with a history built into his look arrived on the scene.
He was billed as an enigma who might save the galaxy or destroy it.
He was very cool in ESB and died a comedy slapstick death in a move that sums up everything that is wrong about ROTJ.
Fett either needs something legitimate to do in ROTJ and survive or needs cutting from the film.
George seems to revel in farting in the face of fans by turning beloved characters into comedy turns.
I can't see the point of a 'revenge' showdown between Han and Fett, it's just cheap like every Batman film killing off a major villain.
I don't think it's cheap at all. It makes the most sense for Fett's character, and it gives Han his bad-ass moment. It just makes sense, and it'd be so satisfying. I mean, really. Five-year old me would have a shitfit if Han and Fett dueled in a mexican stand-off.
So, if it's somewhat possible...maybe we should get a team of aspiring fan editors to begin working on this issue?
And then release the altered audio track for all other fan editors to use freely? Because I think we should begin working towards that.
So, whoever has the ability collaborate on a project like this, please come hither to this thread with suggestions and progress. Perhaps we can begin to take this idea in a positive direction.