MrInsaneA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMSj-9lkCmQ

And this one....I can't even....wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtVqLwroDio

And this.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5XsiFKnA60&feature=related

And this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BGwxTKlYc&feature=related

And this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfH5Z6SBIEQ&feature=related

Can you say "Goldmine?" I can. Goldmine. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5MoBb8-75E

Oh God. How has no one posted this yet?

Palpatine's advisor in AOTC and ROTS (that ISN'T Mas Ammeda) should be either Tarkin or an Imperial Looking Officer IMO.

Bingowings said:

The TIE pilots and AT-AT drivers followed the same trooper template.

The Clone Wars took place (on screen) across a wider variety of environments so it sort of made sense that their armour would have more variety to it but if they had camouflage during the Clone Wars it makes sense that they would do the same on Endor (the Rebel troops did but as I mentioned earlier there is the nonsense of dragging a big shiny gold robot and a bleeping white barrel of christmas lights to the same party).

So either someone has to make ROTJ make visual sense or tone down the colour variation in the PT.

I don't hate the armor variations at all, I just hate some of the coloring. Like the green visor on the Kashyyk commander, or the purple snow troopers(PURPLE?! WHAT?!) I'm all for the Utapau, and Coruscant troopers being orange, and red, and blue and whatnot. 

Vladius said:

They're rough and course and they get everywhere.

Oh, you sweet talker, you!

aalenfae said:

Just a little Photoshop mockup I did this evening. Thoughts? 
 

Always thought the camo was stupid. There shouldn't be so many different colored varieties of clones, since in the OT there are really only 3 kinds (Storms, Snows, and Scouts.)

aalenfae said:

Thanks for the feedback!
I'm going to see if I can reduce the camo in motion - at least for a shot or two - to see if it's possible.

Things I'm definitely already doing:
-Making all clones shoot red

-Making all Star Destroyers shoot green 

Clones shoot red? Star Destroyers shoot green? BEAUTIFUL

Bingowings said:

It would if you saw some evidence of the Queen or her handmaiden showing any sense of comparative empathy (which would also be helped if you saw outer rim slaves who didn't seem to have cushy lives) but I digress. 

The reason why I included that because it makes the Naboo crisis just part of a pattern which leads to the Separatist movement and Dooku's leadership.

The Viceroy is frightened of losing power (like Anakin is frightened, like the Jedi and the Senators are frightened) and does something he later regrets after being promised a short cut and a quick fix from Sidious.

If Sidious was offering this great deal to enough people who might fund opposition to Palpatine's Empire in the future it creates a phantom for the Jedi to fight which brings about their destruction.

A Jedi leading their movement is the cherry on the cake.

My off topicness ends here. 

All right, that does sound pretty good, not going to lie. My off-topicness also stops here....for now.

Bingowings said:

There doesn't seem to be much in the way of a population on the planet and the Republic has very well defined laws against slavery within it's borders.

The planet's main attraction being revenge for an ancient defeat/slight mirrors the Falklands/Malvinas War (it also mirrors the Sith's return/rise and fall in the saga as a whole).

When the Argentines attempted a diplomatic solution for ages but the British kept kicking it into the long grass and the islanders didn't want to join the sort of country that pushed nuns out of airplanes. The British didn't expect any sort of invasion.

The Junta seized the islands hoping that patriotic swell would boost their standing back at home.

They expected the diminished British military to not respond and the issue to be bogged down in the same sort of international diplomacy that had worked against them for so long.

The British did retake the islands and the Junta fell but the dispute is still there especially now oil has entered the equation.

In MagnoliaFan's edit, the only reason the Nemoidians were enslaving the planet WAS for revenge. The Queen had opposed Gunray's proposition to use slaves on Outer Rim planets. He was mainly invading Naboo out of spite, not because they served any real use to him as a work force.

Plus, it mirrors Anakin's enslavement, PLUS it makes the Naboobians(?) crisis more dire, PLUS it sounds more sinister then "territorial dispute" or "taxation border dispute." 

Sorry to get so off-topic btw.

Bingowings said:

I suggested that during Episode One a whole bunch of rich lobbyists are prompted by Sidious' backing to play out their dream scenarios free from Republican bureaucracy.

In my take Gunray invades Naboo because his planet and the Naboo had fought over the territory many centuries ago and he wants to reclaim the planet to buttress his flagging position back home.

If around the same time half a dozen other prominent galactic powers were tempted to make similar moves in isolation they would be booted out of the Republic but Dooku knows the Sith were really behind it. The line Dooku gives Obi-Wan in AOTC in this scenario becomes true.

At first they don't want to break away from the Republic but as they have all burnt their bridges and as nobody in the council seems to be taking Dooku seriously he leads them in an attempt to build a alternative to the failing Republic and fight the Sith (not realising he is actually helping them).

That way Dooku becomes a more tragic figure.

The Jedi are backing the wrong side politically because the people Dooku is defending have been manipulated into doing politically awful things.

They want to maintain the Republic but they don't realise it's already under control by the Sith.

Palpatine can then use them as evidence of Jedi complicity and label the Rebel Alliance as the Separatists reborn once he transforms the Republic into the Empire.

Basically what I want to do, besides the territory thing with the Naboo. I've always liked MagnoliaFan's idea regarding the Trade Federation's motives for occupying the planet....

darth_ender said:

MrInsaneA said:

And IS Dooku a Sith in this edit? Or just a Rogue Jedi who has no connection to Sidious? Because personally, I always liked the Rogue Jedi idea.

 Same question, same preference.  I like a little grey area in my force users.  Better to have a Sith-manipulated rogue who has tired of the narrow-minded Jedi ways than another obvious bad guy.  I've seen this discussion a lot, and if someone could successfully pull this off, I don't know if any other PT change would please me as much.

What I'm going to try to do in my edit of AOTC and ROTS is have the rest of the Separatists i.e. Nute Gunray, Griveous, and the merry bunch, be in league with Sidious. The only person who would be unaware of this would be....Dooku himself. He's basically getting scammed by everyone around him, to be the scapegoat that triggers the Clone Wars.

It makes him a tragic character, really. He's the only character that truly has any idea of Palpatine's plot, and yet, by attacking the Republic to defeat him, he's just helping advance his plans. 

Bingowings said:

In whichever motivation you wish to give Dooku putting Palpatine on a throne like that with swivel control is a bit daft.

If Dooku is really a Sith it's giving the game away and if he isn't it's asking for trouble.

Palpatine should be locked into position looking at the door.

Even as a Sith Lord he doesn't have to see the chaos of battle with his eyes he has mastery over the dark side of the Force.

It might even make sense to have the windows covered by shutters when the Jedi enter the room (like Dooku has Palpatine tied to a chair in the attic).

As the fight proceeds the shutters could come down or be torn down and the view of the battle would then remind Anakin of the chaos caused by Dooku's insurrection and fuel his decision to follow Palpatine's call to slice the Count up.

I'd also downplay saving Padme as motivation for turning against the Jedi.

It would make more sense to have him genuinely believe by the time he sees Mace with his saber at the Chancellor's throat that the secret guilt he feels for killing Dooku and the sandpeople is pointless as Master Windu is about to do the same without guilt or shame.

If the Jedi are no better than Sith he might as well be a respected Sith Lord than a disrespected Jedi.

It should be the moment he stops being the boy Anakin and becomes the decisive man/machine of action Vader.

By the time he comes to believe Padme has betrayed him he no longer cares for her either, his lust for power and revenge has eclipsed his love for her.

Hmmmmm. The blinds idea sounds like it could be very interesting if executed right....

And IS Dooku a Sith in this edit? Or just a Rogue Jedi who has no connection to Sidious? Because personally, I always liked the Rogue Jedi idea.

doubleofive said:

 

DominicCobb said:

One interesting aspect of this edit will be that there will be no "I am your father twist." The real twist will come when the Emperor tells Vader that Luke is actually Vader's son. By focusing on Vader alone, the audience assumes that Padme dies before she gives birth. 

Now that's an interesting prospect. Now to make Anakin a character we care about for that twist to have emotional impact! ;-)

I just realized how much more of an emotional impact "I am your father" is to a character we knew for two movies than that revelation would be to a character we've known for 5 movies by Lucas' reckoning.

 

Which is why if you're introducing someone to Star Wars for the first time, I've always suggested you go 4-5-6 then 1-2-3. It's really the best way to watch the films.

aalenfae said:

It might just be the volume, or the intensity. Maybe if it was a little slower and a little quieter? 

Worth a shot. I'll see what I can do. 

timdiggerm said:

I disagree. Dooku's look of shock is too good.

It really is something special.

aalenfae said:

It just seems like the music isn't supposed to be there, I guess. 
It might just be because I'm used to how it is originally. 

You mean this particular piece of music, or any music at all? Because I honestly am not a fan of the whole "tribal drums" thing in this scene, in the absence of music.

aalenfae said:

Just watched L8Wrtr's edit of AotC. I liked it a lot for the most part. There were a few moments where I didn't understand why he left stuff in/took stuff out, but for the most part, it was great.


I like the edit itself. 
But the music is a tad invasive, I think. Awesome points for Shadows of the Empire, though!

 

Thanks! But what do you mean by "invasive?" 

darth_ender said:

Can't watch the video at the moment, but I'll check when I can.  Okay, fine, it's a real stance.  I stand corrected.  It still seems weird to me, but I did admit I'm no fencing pro.  It was just an observation, and apparently a pretty ignorant one.  Apparently I'm good at making myself look dumb too.

Don't beat yourself up, it's just an argument about fictional space people beating each other with glow sticks.

darth_ender said:

I actually like the Sith from the movies better than the EU.  To me they are overly powerful and the Jedi awfully stupid during the Sith War stuff.  I like the Rule of Two (and I'm not fond of all the Sith acolyte stuff in the Clone Wars).  I like their subversive nature rather than another large group.  I like that their evil is subtle and infiltrating instead of a big group that everyone knows is evil.  Just my two cents.

Somewhat reconsidering what I said about the Chosen One...it could be made to better appeal to me in the OT if done right, and maybe I'd be happier with it overall.  I confess, the main thing I don't like about it is its lack of reference in the OT, but if it were included more, it might be better in my mind as another way of looking at Star Wars.  I really do like having several interpretations of Star Wars, not simply an "only way to watch it."

Ditto on the Sith. I am definitely for their inclusion, but like you said, there are many ways to watch Star Wars. 

http://vimeo.com/32851567

My edit of said fight, if anyone's interested. Which they probably aren't, but whatever, I'm posting it anyways. 

aalenfae said:

Argh, I've been dying to watch L8Wrtr's edit, but I can't find the time! *Goes and watches anyways*

Oh, and a little late, but here's some insight on Anakin and Dooku's stances in AotC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodan-no-kamae

AHA! It's an actual fighting stance. 

And I suggest watching L8wrtr's edit ASAP. His edit is, so far, the best version of AOTC that I've seen. Very well done.

darth_ender said:

Oops.  What's funny is I actually was referring to the Sith, not the Chosen One :D  I don't much care for that, but I forgot to say the word Sith.  Sorry, now I didn't mean to make you look dumb or anything.

It's okay, I'm awesome at making myself look dumb on my own. :P

darth_ender said:

Definitely agree with the Chosen One thing as it's completely unimportant.  However, as I like the basic idea and I started the integration thread, I actually would prefer somehow including its brief mention in the OT.

I agree. The Chosen One is only a cool concept if it had some mention in the OT which it really doesn't. But then again, how to integrate it into the OT....that's the question. Because otherwise it's just a vague prophecy that's mentioned and then abandoned. 

Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:

I was thinking of completely removing the term Sith. They're never mentioned in the first trilogy, and it's easy to assume Palpatine is simply a wizard that has trained himself in the ways of the Dark Side. This would prove extremely difficult to do with Episode III, but since this the Radical Ideas thread, well, I see that as radical enough.

Likewise, losing the Chosen One/Prophecy angle might work in benefit of the film, again the Prophecy is never mentioned in the OT. It would even make Vader's sacrifice more powerful.

Last, here's a short clip adressing both issues:

http://www.gigasize.com/get/wx0472ng7sd

I've heard this idea before, and I mean....it's okay. But why do it? It doesn't really serve a purpose.