MrInsaneA

bobgarcia74 said:

Hmm, I'll also need someone to walk my dog

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jonathan7 said:

I did have a newbie question regarding why certain things aren't possible. So for an example I quickly whipped up a couple of pictures in Photoshop, I do apologie that they don't exactly look great.

So with one of my suggestions I asked if it would be possible to have Vader "in suit" on the one hand I can understand why it would be impossible to add a whole suit over Anakins robes. But would it not be possible to do something like this;

And this;

Can't tell if cool or ridiculous.

Yorick said:

Greetings all :)

I posted this proposal over at Fanedit.org some time ago and it was suggested that I also post my idea at this site. Any and all ideas are welcome from creative minds...

Given the success of TMBTM's silent versions of the Star Wars Prequels, has anyone ever tried to make a silent version of the films with completely new dialogue? I was thinking this could be a terrific opportunity for fan editors everywhere to rewrite the prequels and give the characters far more depth than they originally had.

This approach would work pretty well for editors who want to either start The Phantom Menace on Courscant, or want to stage the final lightsaber duel on one of the droid command ships. You could even mix and match scenes from different movies. Imagine being in the battle of Geonosis before cutting to General Grevious overseeing the battle from his command ship. You could even take the Grevious/Sidious hologram scene from Episode III and put it into Episode II...over even Episode I depending on what sort of story you want to tell.

The possibilities are endless and I'd like to hear your thoughts... 

What would be PERFECT is if someone could make a fan edit where they just take music and sound effects out, and leave the dialogue. It would be so difficult, but it would provide a blueprint for future fan editors to insert their own stuff.

ben_danger said:

I'd like to cut out the sith ALTOGETHER. It makes the choice to make a quick easy, but wrong, choice more relevant to the audience on a personal level.

I like the concept of the Sith order though. I feel that should be left in. Also, removing it takes away so much from the story, as far as scenes and dialogue go.

ben_danger said:

Surely the whole problem with them trying to turn Luke though CONTRADICTS the rule of the two. Did they organise the whole thing with each other, knowing of an imminent betrayal? (Surely it would have been obvious?)

That's why the Rule of Two is better left out. We can just assume the Sith betray each other because they're heartless bastards who seek power, not because they follow an ancient code.

Angel said:

MrInsaneA said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o--bLEobBFY&feature=related

Y'know Aalenfae, even though I'm not a fan of your slowed down Mustafar fight, I think that using a slower version of Battle of the Heroes would benefit the sequence greatly. 

Nice!Cheap but effective

Tho with some slowdowns in the battle and the music might seem that all the footage is slowed down.

Careful placement :)

-Angel

IMO it seems that it would be very apparent to any audience that the sequence is slowed down, so why not play up on that? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o--bLEobBFY&feature=related

Y'know Aalenfae, even though I'm not a fan of your slowed down Mustafar fight, I think that using a slower version of Battle of the Heroes would benefit the sequence greatly. 

Ronster said:

It sounds like you have most of the ideas you need to get started with this and the structure you are suggesting is definatley the way to go dagobah before tatooine and cut back on the endor battle whist expanding the space battle.

Not killing Bobba Fett is an interesting idea also only just read this one and for him to carry out a later sub plot is even more intriging.

I would like to ask that the music that plays at the end of this edit should be across the stars and not the main star wars fanfare...as I think this would work better, during / after seeing luke cremating his father and make it alot more dramatic and give it more heart whilst tieing it to anakins past.

I do not like the prequel trilogy all that much but this particular piece of music was just amazing

thanks for reading anyway and good luck with this. If you don't mind I might chip in some ideas but I am not talented enough to do all the Art/ video work but i do get good inspration from time to time.

After the cremation might be a good place for certain parts of Across the Stars, but then again, it may not. 

darth_ender said:

^Yeah, your last thought is probably best.

But I like Sidious though. He can still be called Sidious, and still have Vader not call him that. There's no reason FOR him to call him that. He knows him as Palpatine.

darth_ender said:

I had a thought that I bet most will disagree with: Vader should refer to Palpatine as Master Sidious at least once in ROTJ.  There, I said it!

You're right.

I disagree with it. XD

I approve. 

ben_danger said:

Whilst the canon debate is up though, it could be good for an editor to clarify what THEIR canon is perhaps? My reason being is that I find it INFURIATING when one puts an idea forward to edit one film, and then receive about a dozen nonconstructive comments on how that would affect another film WHICH YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE PLANS TO CHANGE!

An example of this could be say ADYcanon, and TROOPERMANcanon, which may have plans, either real, planned or theoretical to edit a broader selection of the films.

Perhaps it would be a good thread to start, where editors make single posts with THEIR canon explained, and links put in their signatures?

I like that idea. Make that thread. Call it......Cannon Fodder.

jonathan7 said:

Thought it was great Aalenfae, the explosions, I though were much better, agree with others that the audio could do with a little work, but visually very good!

I agree with Erik Storm Trooper, I hate the lift sequence if you could cut it that would be awesome, you could have the call to R2 to get the lift, the ship falling, then the 3 of them falling down by the open elevator door, and the elevator shooting away, giving the impression they just got out, and fell over due to what was happening with the ship.

My other question, is  could you add the Grevious and Shaak Ti deleted scene, before they head of to rescue the Chancellor?? You could cut it right after they cut through the floor and fall through.

Good suggestion. Jedi and Griveous should have some interaction before Utapau. 

Crixler said:

I would personally avoid adding ships that aren't referenced as being there in any other sources.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_endor

On the sidebar, there's a section labeled "Strength", which lists all the ships and such present in the battle as portrayed in the movie and EU. I don't propose showing every single one of these ships, or even that any of them absolutely must be shown at all, but if any additional ship classes are to be added, I think it should use that as a guideline. So I'd avoid the N-1s and ARC-170s, as they've yet to show up there officially and there's already plenty of ships to choose from that were there.

I would love to see more ship classes, as long as it builds upon what's already established.

What was already established...in the EU. Wah-wah. :P

Harmy said:

They often looked weird in movement, they had a kind of strobe effect, which was totally inconsistent with all the other films. And yeah, the pointy ends were pretty stupid too.

Meh, that never bothered me at all, except for the pointy stuff. Personal preference I guess.

darth_ender said:

I wanted to gather all my ideas of the ROTJ space battle, though I know I've mentioned some of this before.  I don't have a specific play by play in mind yet.

Several ships should crash into the Death Star shield, as mentioned by Jambe Davdar in Returning to Jedi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWHWm7ZPnK0#t=01h48m15s

B-wings don't disappear after dodging the Death Star shield

More cockpit shots, both from deleted scenes, and likely from filming new shots as well, including representation from other races, species, and the majority of sexes (meaning newly filmed females as well as redubbing the female pilot's voice (probably a British female, as Bingowings once suggested :).  Also it might be cool to see the two person Y-wing cockpit at least once, but I know how people here feel about the EU.

Other ships, including Naboo fighters, BTL-B Y-wing (I personally thought these were pretty cool from the CGI Clone Wars show), Z-95 Headhunters, Aggressive ReConnaissance starfighters (X-wing-type ships from ROTS), Victory-class Star Destroyers (I'm bummed the PT never showed these and instead invented a different kind of older destroyer), more TIE models (especially the bomber), though I am completely opposed to any of the ridiculously overly-powerful TIEs from old video games (i.e. TIE Defender, Phantom TIE), etc.  The idea would be to show the Rebels as a montage of whatever ships they could get their hands on while the Empire has a large fleet at its disposal.  I know many will not like some of these ships, but it seems like a really good idea to me.

Jerjerrod would be told to destroy Endor if the generator were destroyed, and he then prepares to do so in order to increase the tension, like the clock is ticking and down to mere seconds.

The shield thing is brilliant. Your whole description of events is brilliant.

Harmy said:

RotS is probably most stupid and least realistic lightsabres ever looked IMO.

They looked fine to me, except that they had pointed edges like the AOTC ones did. 

i kind of like how the lightsaber retraction looks slower. It feels....sinister? I dunno, but me gusta.

jonathan7 said:

Hey, thanks for the reply, glad you think the idea is interesting! =) Must not of articulated myself well in the previous post, I was suggesting a split personality, but Vader (in the full usual Vader suit) and Anakin both appearing at different times. Not split personality as previously suggested, but Anakin in the Suit doing operations for Palpatine, which we wouldn't realise until the reveal in ESB.

My thinking was of the Vader charachter always being suited, i.e. Anakin wears the suit so no-one knows who he really is. Anakin learns that Palapatine is Sidious, confronts him gets zapped by force lighting and the audience then think he's dead. Mace goes to confront Sidious (he'd have to learn he was a Sith Lord elsewhere)... Mace is about to kill the Emperor when Vader in suits turns up and cuts his hand off... Then the Emperor sends Vader (again in suit) to storm the Jedi Temple.

The advantage of this I think, is it keeps the surprise of Anakin being Vader, especially if you just see Vader in a few shots working with Republic soldiers, while Anakin is still a Jedi. As with the Bruce Wayne/Batman thing you never see them together.

With regards the Anakin vs Obi-Wan fight my hope (not sure it's possible) would be to have it Vader vs Obi-Wan... i.e Vader already in suit fighting Obi-Wan, ends the same with Vader getting arms and legs cut off. So his breathing difficulties come from the fight with Sidious... His missing limbs from the fight with Obi-Wan.

Totally inspired and genius idea, and totally impossible. 

This edit isn't dead, is it? Say it ain't so!

darth_ender said:

Yeah, I read about this a while back and had high hopes for it.  It's a shame it seems to be permanently stalled.  I honestly hope someone makes use of the various ideas in the many PT edits that seem so promising and now seem dead (i.e. this one, TheCutter's Ep. III edit, Bobgarcia's edit, apparently SSRW had some good stuff, etc.)

BobGarcia and KCutter's edits aren't dead, are they?!

Bingowings said:

What goes wrong is that Lucas plays to their appearance and not against it.

So what should be a tense battle becomes a series of slapstick routines where cute bears hit clowns in stormtrooper outfits with sticks and rocks.

Instead we should see a legion of stormtroopers (on top of those already in the garrison protecting the dish) taken by surprise by pre-planned piece of guerilla warfare by a stone-age civilisation who had already engaged the troops in the garrison on a smaller scale before the Rebels even got there.

How else would all those traps get there if they had so much short notice?

The Ewoks must have intended on attacking the forrest around the bunker long before the Rebels landed.

Their village should be decorated with the corpses of their enemy.

That way their appearance (teddy bears) becomes a dramatic surprise instead of a joke which undermines the menace the Imperial forces have represented for the last two and half films.

With the Rebels added to that, then it becomes a plausible sequence.

Ehh. I think you kind of have to play the Ewoks as a comedic though. It is pretty funny. But you also need to balance that humor to make the Emperor's "Legion of his best troops" not seem like incompetent idiots.

mrbenja0618 said:

Wow, he had some great ideas didn't he?

Mostly in dialogue. He really knew how to work those AOTC scenes.

OMG I love Mace A-Hole. Great ideas all around.

aalenfae said:

Just gonna leave this here...

Forever alone