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#557452
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

Ummm...no.  Usually one person with ideas that are largely his or her own make his or her own edit with his or her own resources and a little feedback from those interested in the project.  This happens to be the collaborative thread where we share ideas and try to get direction.  Yes, apparently it's a new thing around here.

You can always work on your own edit if you don't like the tediousness of this project.

You're starting to sound like a Separatist! 

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#557334
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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MrInsaneA said:

darth_ender said:

So I've been doing a little research on star destroyers as I hope we do successfully implement another design or two into our battle.  Here's some interesting info on the communications ship, which seems to be featured in the battle from a distance at least:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_communications_ship

The communications ship was the vessel jamming the Rebels.  How else would they know the shield was down without having disabled the jamming in some way?  It makes sense to me.  I didn't include any sort of attack on the communications vessel in this rough edit because I wasn't sure I liked how I did my little script and was trying to hurry and get everything done.  However, I do think this would be a valuable inclusion to the battle.

 

Also, thinking about Coruscant with all this discussion, I'm starting to wonder if there is some way to include it.  Problem is it doesn't seem logical for the Death Star to be anywhere nearby, and I don't think it would be realistic or suspenseful enough to set Coruscant as the center stage.  I'm wondering if there is some other way to give it more screen time or inclusion...

Meh. We don't need more Coruscant, except for the celebration. No reason for it to be included in the final battle. 

I mean, I like crazy out there ideas, but I don't want THIS to become the intended outcome for this edit:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYSR6UbKUsw

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#557333
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

So I've been doing a little research on star destroyers as I hope we do successfully implement another design or two into our battle.  Here's some interesting info on the communications ship, which seems to be featured in the battle from a distance at least:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_communications_ship

The communications ship was the vessel jamming the Rebels.  How else would they know the shield was down without having disabled the jamming in some way?  It makes sense to me.  I didn't include any sort of attack on the communications vessel in this rough edit because I wasn't sure I liked how I did my little script and was trying to hurry and get everything done.  However, I do think this would be a valuable inclusion to the battle.

 

Also, thinking about Coruscant with all this discussion, I'm starting to wonder if there is some way to include it.  Problem is it doesn't seem logical for the Death Star to be anywhere nearby, and I don't think it would be realistic or suspenseful enough to set Coruscant as the center stage.  I'm wondering if there is some other way to give it more screen time or inclusion...

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#557291
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

So I've been thinking about the lack of originality to a second Death Star, and while I repeat that I don't have a problem with it, perhaps this will serve as something of compromise between those who think it is cliched and those who want to keep the same sort of threat.  It raises the stakes, too, but I worry that in a sense, it really is simply succumbing to the cliche of the same threat, only more.  But here is my thought anyway for your consideration:

Keep the Death Star in name and in many other respects, but make it more like the Centerpoint Station/Starbuster, capable of destroying stars from a great distance (and thus the surrounding planets).  I liked this idea from the Corellian Trilogy better than the Sun Crusher of the Jedi Academy Trilogy because of the nature of the weapon (a powerful tractor beam instead of dinky torpedoes) and the station (as opposed to an invincible little starship) both seemed better suited for such destructive capabilities.  The new DSII could still be a large space station shaped the same or similarly as it presently is in ROTJ, only it could be equipped with far more destructive technology, and therefore its destruction is even more urgent.

It's just a thought at the present, and I'm not even sure I like it, but what do you guys think?

Well here's an idea for a new weapon. Y'know the midsection of the Death Star? The kind of "line" that seperates the sphere horizantally?

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/ee/DeathStar2.jpg

How about have a laser that emenates from the mid-section kind of like a shockwave. It disables all ships it hits, making them useless in battle. The laser shockwave would look a lot like the explosion shockwave. 

http://pressdog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c53c653ef015434875dc7970c-800wi

It's just a suggestion. I don't even like the idea that much, but maybe you who want the Death Star II to have more "pizzaz" will.

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#556988
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The Star Wars Movie Score Unused/Replaced Music Restoration Thread (Released)
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fishmanlee said:

A somewhat unknown fact is that some scenes were scored, but had either the score replaced or removed entirely, this thread, is to show what cues were removed, and where they should go as a guide for editors.

To kick things off:

The Phantom Menace

Battle of Naboo Original Version (Video a bit outdated)

http://www.multiupload.com/B7KRYILIF6

Alternate End Credits/Warm Up Performance Track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK3J-HjdGgc

Attack of the Clones

Alternate Finale Snippet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjkjY18n500&feature=player_embedded)

Revenge of the Sith

Battle of Coruscant (Full Ending Music Restored):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roFIHTI_viI

Wow....these are fantastic. Can we get mp3's of this?

 

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#556987
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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nightstalkerpoet said:

 

The Golden Idol said:

Fettclone1 said:

I haven't seen this brought up yet so I thought I'd chime in.

Vader only refers to Boba Fett as "bounty hunter", which then seems odd after Fett's character is built up due to popularity.

Any chance that Vader could refer to him by name?

With all due respect, that would be pointless. The movies should not be tailored simply to provide fan service for popular characters.

Perhaps a compromise could be reached, with Vader referring to him as "Bounty Hunter Fett"?

While I agree that providing fan service is unnecessary, I do feel that a character as important to the plot as Boba Fett should be named at least once, especially considering that he is referred to by name in RotJ without any proper introduction.

"Bounty Hunter Fett?"

 Sounds pretty silly if you ask me.

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#556943
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

Based on our discussion in the PT/OT integration thread, I had a thought that I'm not sure we should use, but I think it's worth discussing.  Should Vader be a stronger character?  He certainly appears stronger in ESB, but when facing his master, he is a little weakling.  Now I see the purpose of this, as we're now trying to have a sympathetic character that in a sense is an addict.  We see his weak side and believe that because of it, he can never change.  This to me really builds up the emotion for a non-verbal turning on his master and hurling him down that shaft.  I really feel how difficult that choice must have been for him, but his love for his son conquers all the evil in his past (remember, I really like ROTJ).

However, given that we see a stronger Vader in ESB, and given that weakness takes away from his coolness, should we somehow make him appear a bit stronger?  Should his humility before the Emperor be a false humility, with that lingering thought of betrayal in the back of his mind?  Would this decrease the emotion of his choice in the end?  Would it preserve his coolness?

We're still early in this thread, but soon I think I'm going to have to start linking to various ideas in the first post.  This is going to be time-ocnsuming to keep up with.

I think including the Moff Jerrjerrod scene with the Emperor's guard when Vader chokes him would reinforce that. I like how in your script instead of saying "I will await his convenience" he says "The Emperor will see me NOW." Gives a little insight into Vader's underlying rebellious attitude towards his Master. 

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#556942
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darth_ender said:

So I'm hoping to hear more about Victory star destroyers.  A couple of people told me why they don't support it, but have I changed anyone's mind, or is anyone reconsidering?  Some votes were flat out yeses to the extra ships, and a couple specifically said no.  I just think that Victories would blend in perfectly, but would be nice support craft.

Also, I was watching the Clone Wars today, and again saw the BTL-B Y-wings, the heavily armored sort.  I think they were a really cool idea and would be a nice additional starfighter.  Several like the idea of Y-wings bombing the Executor, so if that idea passes, perhaps the this Y-wing could do the bombing run, while the other Y-wings serve more in the starfighter role (as they both have been sort of differentiated in this regard anyway in the EU)/

BTL-B

 

BTL-S3 or BTL-A4 (very similar to each other, former is pilot and gunner, latter is single pilot, shown in the films)

EDIT: I'm also thinking it would be cool to add Interdictor cruisers, as they are specifically designed to prevent hyperspace escape, and it would be more logical to include them to prevent escape.  Thoughts anyone?

I know this is kind of a "prequel mentality" but I think the selection process should be this: we should include ships that look cool. Function doesn't really matter, as we're never going to see them prevent escape. But if they look cool, I'm all for having them.

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#556791
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darth_ender said:

MrInsaneA said:

DominicCobb said:

ray_afraid said:

Haven't read through this entire thread, so I hope I'm not retreading to much water, but here's my idea for the opening of ROTJ that I posted in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I think you can follow...

Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.

After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star.

Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.

Cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new lightsaber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then ignites his saber.

Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.

After that scene, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi.", leave out Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had, Luke takes off in the X-Wing and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there. This all gives plenty of time between seeing Luke leave Dagobah and his arrival at Jabbas palace.

This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?

This would be my ideal opening.

Mine as well. This is a very good idea. Perfection, if I may venture to say so actually. Can't think of a better opening myself. 

I like this opening as well, and am divided on using this or the Bothans, or somehow tying the two together.  But one thought has occurred to me: we'd probably need to somehow show more Vader.  That would be pretty abrupt to simply show Executor, then cut to meditation chamber, then move on to Dagobah.  We'd need to see a different introduction, like the Executor far off but approaching the DSII, show Vader looking out the front windshield, then walking off, then next showing him in his meditation chamber.  As always, the issue is how do we get this footage without reusing old footage in an obvious manner?  Other than that, the idea plays smoothely, with the Executor much closer to the DSII later and Vader's shuttle approaching (and maybe removing Jerjerrod's line of it being an "unexpected pleasure," as it doesn't seem too unexpected in this sort of start to the film).

I feel like maybe the Bothan/Bouush thing could function as a trailer of sorts, like Christopher Nolan's IMAX prologues for the Batman films. It's too radically different and complicated to put in the film, but would provide some really cool backstory. 

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Actually here, let me just paste everything I want to vote for here. I'm not saying I want you to vote almost identical to this...but you should totally vote identical to this.

Music:

 

  • Across the Stars (end credits): Ronster; (Luke/Leia moments, elsewhere in film) – MrInsaneA
  • Death Star Theme (Vader’s approach to DSII) – darth_ender
  • Swing Swing Swing in place of Lapti Nek/Jedi Rocks – fishmanlee
  • Duel of the Fates (space battle) – MrInsaneA
  • Stick with ’97 celebration music as opposed to Yub Nub - DominicCobb

 

Opening with Vader arriving at DSII, then on to Dagobah, then on to Tatooine. – MrInsaneA

Luke flies through Beggar’s Canyon as he arrives at Tatooine – Ronster

Luke uses the Force to close the Rancor gate, or at least to hurl the skull – DominicCobbm, darth_ender

 

  • A quicker-to-violence with underlings, still subservient to Emperor Vader - Mithrandir

 

 

  • Han deliberately hits Boba Fett’s jetpack – Vladius (originally mentioned by Spence)
  • More Boba Fett action, i.e. flamethrower, jetting out of Sarlaac’s mouth, etc. – Ronster
  • Luke kills Fett, decapitates him
    • Make Ewoks tougher by cutting cute actions, redubbing with more aggressive sounds – darth_ender
    Show Ewoks with stormtrooper helmets in village – darth_ender (from SSWR)
    • Include many more ships, including more Mon Cal cruisers and Victory-class star destroyers – darth_ender
    • Include General Madine scenes, and have his Mon Cal cruiser be the first destroyed by the DSII - DominicCobb
    • Y-wing uses bombs on Executor – Angel
    • Let Lando live as in original film – MrInsaneA
    • Put pyre scene at very end, after celebrations – darth_ender (Spence’s idea)

 

 

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#556720
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DominicCobb said:

ray_afraid said:

Haven't read through this entire thread, so I hope I'm not retreading to much water, but here's my idea for the opening of ROTJ that I posted in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I think you can follow...

Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.

After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star.

Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.

Cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new lightsaber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then ignites his saber.

Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.

After that scene, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi.", leave out Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and just cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had, Luke takes off in the X-Wing and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there. This all gives plenty of time between seeing Luke leave Dagobah and his arrival at Jabbas palace.

This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?

This would be my ideal opening.

Mine as well. This is a very good idea. Perfection, if I may venture to say so actually. Can't think of a better opening myself. 

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#556685
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aalenfae said:

The only way to make the scene tragic would be to make new shots from scratch to play up the emotion. Otherwise, Lando (and the Falcon) will just go down as lamely as Boba Fett. 
I think Lando should live, but we should make it SEEM like he's going to die for the sake of suspense.


I would definitely agree with MrInsaneA on the order. It should open with the Death Star, then cut to Dagobah. Also, I'm a big fan of how the sounds and the quietness are played up in the beginning with Darth Vader arriving. It's powerful visuals with audio that really makes things feel unsettling and "something's about to happen"-ish.  

It's just such an iconic opening for me, only equal in my eyes, to the opening of ANH. To start on Dagobah, with as slow a scene as Yoda's death...it just doesn't seem right, especially for what is supposed to be the epic conclusion to the saga/trilogy. 

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#556680
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If Lando dies on-screen, and the Falcon is engulfed in flames, I will cry bitter tears. That's to traumatic for this film...for ANY FILM. 

 

And also, the only thing about the revised script that reallly bugged me: starting on Dagobah.

Now don't get me wrong, Dagobah taking place before Tatooine is a good idea. But to START the film? I always liked the motif of each film starting with a Star Destroyer flying overhead. But beyond that motif, starting the film on the DS II serves as to alert the audience of the danger the Empire poses in the film. In ANH the beginning established their main goal: finding the Death Star plans. In Empire Strikes Back, it established their main goal: finding Luke Skywalker. That being the case, I feel like ROTJ needs to follow suit.

So I propose this: Death Star opening, then Dagobah, then Tatooine.

Anyone agree with what I'm saying here, or not?

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#556144
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jonathan7 said:

Just my two cents here, but I really like the idea of Boba Fett being killed by Luke, think it harkens back nicely to Mace killing Jango. I also would argue to keep the original Luke and Leia conversation rather than changing it...

I actually really like the idea of Luke offing Boba as well.

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#555622
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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doubleofive said:

 

fishmanlee said:


I don't think there are two cuts monroeville, just where the rail ends and then begins again, and ONE cut.
Yes, each section of the railing is a separate piece.

And Ady, maybe we should have ImpFight go through the movie and do the text commentary on the Visual Comparison, eh? ;-)

 

Even better, a text commentary of his text commentary. 

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#555541
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darth_ender said:

^This is why I feel the script needs additional ships to be involved in the attack.  I think if several capital ships engage in the battle, focusing their fire on the bridge section, then two fighters being the straws that broke the camel's back might be more believable.  Perhaps if it were made clearer that they were firing concussion missiles rather than simple laser blasts (what it looks like to me), then it might also come off better.

I agree about the lost Rebel footage and I'm going to try to include as much as possible, probably having to do some rough cuts with my Windows Live Movie Maker software as a template for those with the better toys.

I'm personally not a big fan of Coruscant being a significant plot point, both because of what I perceive as unrealistic (let's blow up the capital to stop the riots) and also it just doesn't seem to make sense story-wise.  It just seems like people are fishing for something more exotic.  If Endor orbits Coruscant and it is essentially background, that would be visually interesting, but I can't see a logical story reason to include it without some drastic rewriting of the whole movie.

I know I'm a nerd, but I didn't know what song was Across the Stars till tonight when I finally looked it up.  It's a pretty piece and would be neat to include somewhere, though the only place that seems truly fitting might be where Luke and Leia are talking about their mother.

A song I feel we might want to consider weaving into this movie somewhere might be the Death Star theme from A New Hope.  It essentially served as the bad guy song for the first movie, and I personally find it powerful and intimidating.  Perhaps some dramatic Death Star II reveal could include this piece.

Sorry to take so long on this early step folks.  I'll get it done soon.

I feel very strongly about what I'm about to say, so bear with me here:

I feel like ROTJ should feature a LOT of callbacks to previous themes in the Saga, seeing how it's the final film.  Some ideas I was thinking of were:

1. Duel of the Fates playing during parts of the space battle.

2. Across the Stars playing once or twice during very quiet moments pertaining to Luke/Vader and Luke/Leia/Mom

3. The Death Star theme, as previously mentioned. 

Anybody think this is a good idea? And if so, is there any other pieces of music you feel should be integrated?