MrBrown

So, I uploaded the Thorn EMI / HBO Temrinator Intro Sequence at Youtube.

MrBrown said:

Stamper said:

Since the LD tracks are analog, a simple analog capture probably will be sufficient. However to track it and sync it, the video, even in low res, will be needed.

Curious to hear that mix/fix which is now lost in time.

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Edit: Anyone an easy to follow hint how to resync Audio and Video? I think the Audio is about a half a second behind the video in the final file. :(

Never mind. It was easy with VCL as a help to check how many miliseconds the audio was off, and MKVmerge to remerge the MKV.

Stamper said:

Since the LD tracks are analog, a simple analog capture probably will be sufficient. However to track it and sync it, the video, even in low res, will be needed.

Curious to hear that mix/fix which is now lost in time.

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At the Moment I am trying to rip the Thorn EMI/HBO LD to my PC.

The Sound of the Disc is not the best. could be my player, could be the age of the Disc and some scratches. But at the Moment It seems as if I get two Video Files (one for each side)... I will compress the video, but I do not know how well the complete files will be. But If I am finished I will check how to make them accessible to check it out.

Maybe I can upload a short sample to youtube upcoming week.

Edit: Anyone an easy to follow hint how to resync Audio and Video? I think the Audio is about a half a second behind the video in the final file. :(

Too bad, the japanese DVD of Romeros Dawn of the Dead is only widescreen. Japan seems only got the Argento Version in Full Screen. :(

MrBrown said:

So, regarding Zombie - Dawn of the Dead:

Here are some caps of the Full screen Argento Cut DVD from Holland.

And day of the Dead:

From the old Full screen French DVD...

 So, for the moment last.. but IMO not least:

Screenshots from the Dark City 4:3 US DVD release.

So, regarding Zombie - Dawn of the Dead:

Here are some caps of the Full screen Argento Cut DVD from Holland.

And day of the Dead:

From the old Full screen French DVD...

Wow.. the second one ( http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/138929 ) is really impressive.. I mean, hey.. this guy has pores! :)

Leonardo said:

Edit: I notice the color difference in the reinserted "clean" part of the image. Seem to be a slight notch lesser bluish/greenish than the rest.

 Yeah, about that. Do you have any suggestions? I've seen people messing around in Matlab lately, to automatically color match different sources, but I know nothing about the program. Methinks I should ask around.

Sorry, no Idea on that. You may mess and try around, and then take snapshots and fiddle with the colors to check if you notice such odd things, like you see on the coller messed I showed. Or you try with one frame until you find the best match and then try to apply the color correction settings on tha movie parts.

Really looks great.

Even if the font on the reference Image seem a bit more heavy. But this might just occur because of the image quality and such.

Edit: I notice the color difference in the reinserted "clean" part of the image. Seem to be a slight notch lesser bluish/greenish than the rest.

There seem to be Full Screen DVDs of Argentos Version of "Dawn of the Dead" in nordic countries (norway, denmark atc.) and netherlands. (PAL) Also Japan is stated to got a Full Screen NTSC release of that Version. But there are also hints that japoan also might had a Full Screen Romero or DC Version. But found nothing specific on that.

French first DVD release of "Day of the Dead" is stated to be Full Screen.

Maybe one of that is Open Matte Release.

Stamper said:

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I have the image DVD if you want, with the 2.1 mono track, which sounds great.

 Thanks, but I am already awaiting this arrive this or next week at my home. I found it on eBay.

Too bad that the Full screen Image LD seems even harder to get, then the Thorn EMI release. But I'll keepy my eyes open. Seems to be something really interesting.

Well, even if it is not Full Screen, nor open Matted, but still some kind of fitting, because it shows areas not seen on other releases:

The polish Hellraiser DVD has some very strange and different framing compared to other Releases.

If I am not wrong that also is the case with the polish release of Hellbound: Hellraiser II, but there is no comparison for that.

Edit:

The US and Canadian Special Unrated Versions for "The Boondock Saints" featured Full Screen Versions of the Movie. I think they were open matte.

Stamper said:

Yes, the back cover have the correct running time, but the actual master is speeded up for some reason. Also they reissued it since the LD was done before the Ellison settlement and Ellison threatened more with lawyers when he saw he wasn't included in it.

So you should notice the film is weird because of the speeded up pace (like it's in Pal or something), and you should notice the same soundmix, but with some weird stereo effects.

The full screen second LD by Image, the one with the gold disc logo on the front, is corrected and should feeature the correct film speed + untouched mono audio.

Well, as being from Germany, and mostly watched the movie in PAL, I won't notice PAL like speedup. :)

Okay, my Disc has no golden LD Logo on the front. So it seem to be this faulty first issue. I just watched the Police Station Fight, and on some cases it sounded weired in my opinion. Like some out of place screams and shots...

I think of getting a Soundcard with a Toslink optical input, because the Pioneer has an optical out, and I hope that way it would be easier to record the audio in better quality instead using just normal audio cables.

So the Full Screen Image LD is not that important to get, only if it has the first installement of the acknowledgement.

TServo2049 said:

There's a lot of conflicting info out there about the various releases. LDDB doesn't list any of the LDs as being stereo. A note for the 1995 THX release says that the older (1991) widescreen disc had reel change burns (MrBrown, which Image widescreen LD do you have, THX or non-THX?)

Also, there seem to have been two different full-frame transfers too, because the Thorn-EMI-HBO LD doesn't have an Orion logo at the beginning, but the later Image full-screen disc (around 1988-89?) has the Orion logo. The first Image LD was still under license from HBO, their logo was at the start, but the widescreen discs were after the rights had reverted to Hemdale. (I believe both widescreen transfers have the Hemdale logo at the start.)

Also, is the Thorn-EMI transfer the one where the Harlan Ellison acknowledgment was a tiny video-generated text notice buried in the end credits? I've read that Ellison complained that the acknowledgment was not sufficient, and that was when the start of the end credits was fully redone to insert the more prominent Ellison credit.

 My Image LD is non-THX. the THX LD seems to arrive upcoming week. Maybe next one. The non-THX image LD is stated to be m,ono on the backside. It has the Hemdale Logo.

I did not notice any Harlan Ellison acknowledgement in the credits. Maybe they where done on a later Full Screen release? Maybe the above mentioned Image Full Screen release?

Stamper said:

There's no listing it as stereo, but if you total running time is 102mn, and it's the full screen then it features the spatialised mono to stereo conversion. I'm sure many will be happy seing it preserved. It's the version where there's not the picture of laserdisc gold disc on the front cover. I think it's the one you have. If you can rip it to usb, that would be insanely awesome, I could retime it to the current disc.

The fake Chase stereo mix LD is that one. Cameron had it redone later on with the correct speed of the film, and with correct mono track without enhancement.

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/30336/2535/Terminator-The

If I have the possibillity to capture the A/V from LAserdiscs, we can check running time. The Backcover states 108 mn. running time.

What logo/picture is not at the frontcover?

What's up with the Image DVD release? Anything nice to know regarding that?

MrBrown said:

TServo2049 said:

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Also, does anybody have the original Thorn EMI/HBO transfer? I read that had burns too, but I believe it was also overbrightened, as a lot of 80s transfers were.

 i just ebayed one Thorn EMI/HBO LaserDisc of Terminator 1 today. I hope it arrives this month, and I will check it.

 I just took a short check, but the Thorn EMI/HBO LaserDisc of Terminator 1 is full screen, and I assume it is just pan&scan, because if it is possible to notice the hard matting on the VCL DVD.

Coloring/brighness seemed to be a bit odd on first sight, but I am not sure on that. I have to clean the disc a bit, it was quite messiy watching. Errors like a VHS, hope it just are some fingerprints and dust, and no scrateches. (The discs seem not to be in bad shape, but I hat no time for a real check, yet.

Maybe I have some time next weekend, to plug in and install my USB Video Grabber (hope it works with Win 7), and take some caps from the LD.

I really need to learn how to preserve LDs, now I have 3 different Terminator LDs. (Thorn EMI/HBO Full Screen, Image Widescreen and German VCL FSK18) Hopefully my Pioneer DVL-909 is in well condition enought.

So, english is not my native language, but I'll try to be as precise and clear, as I can describe the things not cortrect with the image. :)

1.: Just above the area you overlayed the transition is noticable, because the color of the inserted part is not as blue as the rest. The inserted Image is a shot more grey than blue. After noticing that the rest is also noticable not as blueish.

2.: The radiation of the lightbeam also indicates left and right, where the inserted part ends. first of all the center part of the beam seems a bit smaller, also the radiation is a bit mor violet, while the beam in the outer parts is just a tune more pink.

The beam seems to be a bit more sharper in the inserted part.

EDIT:

I played a bit with GIMPs Color/Satuation setters, to make the areas not matching visible.

Maybe that helps. (I do not know, because I have no experience how color blindness works.)

I just got a 4:3 open matte "Dark City" DVD from eBay.

(I bought a lot of 46 DVDs for 46 Euro. Came with the original DVD Release of 'Devil's Advocate"... the Version with the original piece of Art shown...)

Leonardo said:

Any of you guys with better eyes than mine (I'm colorblind) care to tell me if there's anything wrong with this picture? [click to enlarge]

 Yeah, there some things that seem odd, at the Moment I have not the time to point them out, I'll try to get the time this evening.

Beber said:

thxita said:

Surely France had a localized version! Any French owner of Terminator on LD/VHS?

 As a kid, I've always seen The Terminator with English opening text and time and place informations such as "Los Angeles, 2029 AD" and "Los Angeles, 1984" plus the time that I don't remember (something like 1:22 AM or whatever). Actually, the original French dub even put a voice-over to translate all that. That's almost still the case now on Blu-ray, except for the "Los Angeles, 1984" that's now mute.

 There was a French DVD Release which had the voices for the time and places intact.

Maybe, even if the is no in screen text wise localized Version, maybe that's something for a international "localized" collection?

Right on the linked page... there is a link, and a info what to do, to get a 720p Version...

TServo2049 said:

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Also, does anybody have the original Thorn EMI/HBO transfer? I read that had burns too, but I believe it was also overbrightened, as a lot of 80s transfers were.

 i just ebayed one Thorn EMI/HBO LaserDisc of Terminator 1 today. I hope it arrives this month, and I will check it.

thxita said:

Well, if they want to... but the point of these preservation projects is always to restore something that once was and now can be again.

Terminator - Apocryphal Edition 

sounds good ahah

 Are you going to do a Tolkien Elvish Version? :)

(Just a joke :) )

Somehow an Apocryphal Edition would be nice. And it would be something true unique in the collection.. well unique regarding other People I know, not unique worldwide.. :)

thxita said:

Yeah, only the Terminator POV was redone with a freeze-frame effect so they must have had the introduction on a clean master. It's bizzare that Germany and France never did the same. Unless it was only in the 35mm print and never to be seen again!

 Someone at ofdb.de stated that even the Theatrical presentation was not localised in Germany.

I think the first German VCL DVD came from a theatrical release, because it lacks the same Scene as the theatrical version, and it has not the inserted endcredit.

thxita said:

Thanks goodness for the existance of this otherwise atrocious 2001 MGM release!

It's strange that the 2007 DVD from the same company (at least the one released for the Italian market) is different from the 2001 DVD. People must have complained for the lack of the original text, or they were preparing a bluray release already.

 The 2007 release from GErmany and other european countries hat the text inserts back again. As I read, it was due to the complaints, that the soft subtitles text was... not liked. Also the narrative voice was, at least in the gemran version, missed.

Fans seemed not to like that.

Maybe it is the same master that the italian distributor used for localisation, because of the not clean Temrinator point of view shot they hat tro freeze the image in that scene.