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#435489
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How many times have you bought the movies?
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I'm smug in the knowledge that I've probably given GL less money than any of you.

Through the eighties, I had SW, ESB and ROTJ on VHS recorded off the TV.

In 1995, I bought the widescreen THX VHS set new.

I also own TPM Region 2 DVD, bought new, and AOTC which was given to me as a present.

My laserdiscs are all off ebay; the French PAL LDs (SW x 2, ESB & ROTJ) and the US "special widescreen edition" of SW.

I bought the 2006 PAL GOUT DVDs, but shopped around on the internet to get the lowest possible price. My copies, from CD WOW I think, have the Australian covers!

Another member of the forum actually gave me the Region 1 NTSC GOUT SW as he had a spare! And I illegally downloaded DVD5 versions of the NTSC ESB and ROTJ, so bite me.

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#435220
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Info: DVNR smearing in GOUT not in the master...? Or is the 1995 release a different master altogether...?
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msycamore said:

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This is very interesting, never thought the difference in smearing was that huge between the Pal and NTSC versions, this can be a better alternative than using JSC LD/US '92LD footage as the colortiming is basically the same as in GOUT.

The difference in smearing is not that huge. The 4-eyed stormtrooper may be better, but other scenes are just as bad as the NTSC version. I'll dig out my DVD.

Interestingly, the colour timing of the PAL master for ANH is slightly different to the NTSC master. Tatooine's sand is more red and less yellow, and the sky is more grey than blue. In these scenes, the colours are actually closer to the 2004 DVD.

Harmy said:

[...] But just looking at the pics I posted above, I'm quite sure a raw transfer of the 1995 PAL LD could beat the GOUT.

For fine (horizontal) detail, the GOUT DVD would win every time. However, the PAL LDs win if you consider they have less aliasing, less gate weave and no blurring of vertical detail.

Harmy said:

... it would have to be a really really good transfer of the PAL LD to beat GOUT ...

I now have another player to test, and a few other ideas for improvement. I've learned a fair bit in the last 5 years... just wish I had more time to play with this stuff.

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#435199
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.: LeeThorogood's PAL LaserDisc Preservation Project :. - '97 SE Finished '95 THX Finished - '97 SE Uploaded '95 THX Uploaded to the newsgroup
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The problem is that on some laserdisc releases, they put a "fade to black" at the end side 1, then had a "fade in" at the start of side 2. You can't just cut at the start of the fade because you lose the end of the scene.

The French OT LDs did not have this - they just ended in a freeze frame - but I did have to deal with a fade on the Japanese Evil Dead disc. In that case it didn't pose too much of a problem.

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#434895
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laserdisc player recommendations
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Bingowings said:

The guide at the bottom of here might help picking a model out, though there is no guarantee that they will be in your price bracket in your region.

That is a pretty useful guide. I think however that the "top" players like the CLD-97 and 99 still fetch a high price on ebay.

You might want to look for the CLD-1010, a player that supposedly has a good picture but can be picked up fairly cheaply.

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#434595
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Info: DVNR smearing in GOUT not in the master...? Or is the 1995 release a different master altogether...?
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PAL-land did not get a 1993 "definitive collection" THX release in any format.

We did however get the 1995 "faces"/"one last time" THX release on LD (France, Germany and Spain only) and VHS. In the US, they used the 1993 master, however a new master was made for the PAL releases. This master has occasionally different framing, less dirt in some shots and the famous burn marks in the Tantive corridor. It still has some DVNR - see the cantina scenes in ANH and the Hoth battle scenes in TESB - but it was probably not applied as aggressively as on the NTSC releases.

The PAL GOUT DVDs were upscaled from the NTSC masters because we got screwed over.