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#538433
Topic
Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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TheBoost said:

Watched it.SPOILERS.

Credit where credit is due... the rotoscoping of Jar Jar was kinda alright. Except when he just showed up sometimes.

Honestly, this edit doesn't make a lot of sense.

We first here Dooku's name at about 5 min, then not again for an hour. He shows up for 2 min and hour later, then vanishes until a real bad last second appearance in a scene he had no reason to be in.

I don't know why Padme died.

I don't know who Darth Sidious, The Chancellor, The Emperor, or Palpatine are. Some old ugly guy tells the soldier to kill Obi and a bunch of Jedi I don't know.

Out of nowhere the old ugly guy says he's worried about someone named Vader, then a few seconds later we meet Vader in full armor strapped to a table. (only noticeable terrible audio cut) Hello. No mention of his is ever made again

Obi-Wan and the girl we never met are sad because someone we never met killed younglings, but this doesn't seem to go anywhere.

We get a flashback to a decent, if confusing abridged TPM. To avoid Anakin saying 'are you an angel' the conversation starts even MORE awkwardly, with Padme out of nowhere saying "I don't understand this place" to a kid she's never met. Then she leaves saying "Nice to meet you" and he's never spoken. Is he autistic?

Later, inside Obi-Wan's flashback of AOTC we get to see Anakin's flashback to how much he liked podracing, Kitster, and his mom. A little odd and felt out of place.

And the ending. Is it supposed to be ambiguous as to who Vader is? Because I didn't see any reason to suspect ANYONE was Vader. Vader was just this other dude who never did anything in the movie. I certainly had no reason to think it was Anakin, Dooku, or the dude who killed younglings from three hours earlier.

Lastly, the credits end with a title card that says if you don't like this edit, you're a lemming. Dude really likes that word.

It was ambitious, mostly technically proficient, and ultimately not that rewarding to watch. Perhaps engaging in a dialogue with other enthusiasts rather than with 2 sycophants and a couple sock accounts by himself would have helped him tighten his work up.

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#538431
Topic
Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
Time

Akwat Kbrana said:

... I followed Prologue fairly closely prior to its release, and downloaded/watched it shortly thereafter. I found the experience to be more painful and cringe-worthy than sitting through the official PT itself.

As someone else mentioned, his visuals are fairly impressive, and one or two sequences are laudable. But the overall editing job is so poorly done, the entire thing just feels hacked-up and confusing. My wife (who isn't a hardcore Star Wars fan) sat through it with me, and couldn't follow the plot to save her life. We were especially taken aback by the train-wreck of an ending. It's like AntiMatter went so far with the project, decided "eh...that's good enough," and just released it unfinished.

The really hilarious part is that he doesn't even accomplish what he set out to do. One of the major objectives of this fanedit was to restore "saga secrecy," i.e. preserving Vader's secret identity. In the beginning of the edit, this purpose is served by deleting any reference to "Anakin" when Vader's dirty ROTS deeds are referred to. When he gets to the end of his edit (the Palpy-Mace-Anakin confrontation) AntiMatter is clearly out of ideas, so he slaps a two-second shot of Dooku showing up unexpectedly, and then ends the edit there, with no dénouement or closing sequence or anything, just a bad montage of a few random ROTS scenes. He explained on his site something to the effect of "now when you watch the OT, there's a 50-50 chance that Vader is either Anakin or Dooku." Which really doesn't make any sense at all. Even ignoring Dooku's advanced age in ROTS, the fact that he retained all the ROTS footage showing Obi-Wan and Padme discussing Anakin's (some unnamed person's) youngling killing spree and expressing disbelief/concern for Anakin (the mysterious stranger), pretty much rules out any reasonable person from concluding that Dooku did it (whom Obi-Wan and Padme neither know particular well nor care for).

In short: it's a garbled mess. It's kinda laughable that AntiMatter deemed it worthy for public release when it was obviously a rough draft, and a poor one at that; ...

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#538429
Topic
Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
Time

mrbenja0618 said:

Did anyone on here actually see it? I did. It was a big mess. BIG mess.

mrbenja0618 said:

I mean, it's ok. The most note worthy thing he did was remove Jar-Jar.... But yet he was still very much present in Watto's store! Weird... And then the ending... Oh wow that ending. Biggest "Wha?" I have ever uttered in my life. Wow.

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#538428
Topic
Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
Time

This review by Spence was posted in another thread:

SpenceEdit said:

It sounded like a good idea, but it just devolves into random sequences and events without any emotional through line. His "twist" in the final scene is ridiculous and is executed very poorly. The only thing I would say I liked about it was his Jar Jar removal, which is admittedly very well done.

The edit has zero handle on the actual plot and character arcs of the movies, nor does it try to change and improve them. His structure is interesting, but he makes everything that happens in the movie almost pointless. Without Anakin's end to his story, there's just random people we don't care about doing random things. Basically he took what's wrong with the prequels and made it infinitely worse.

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#538427
Topic
Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
Time

The project is finished and available at digital-fanedits.com. I'm now unlocking this topic only for reviews, discussion and feedback related to the project.

If you want to discuss Anti-Matter's behaviour or his site, see this thread:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Extremely-Silly-Article-About-Star-Wars-Prologue-On-DVD/topic/13088/page/8/ 

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#536824
Topic
The Phantom Menace - Spence Edit
Time

SpenceEdit said:

so the video stream from my mkv comes out as ".h264" format. I can't open that with anything. Anyone know what my next step should be? I figure it needs to be mp4/move, but it doesn't come out that way.

You might want to take this into the technical help forum to avoid taking your thread off-topic, but basically if you mux the extracted h264 raw stream into an .m2ts transport stream (with tsmuxer) or an .mp4 container (with YAMB), then Vegas should then be able to open it.

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#536807
Topic
STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
Time

Asteroid-Man said:

It's not at all off topic. We're discussing the legality behind owning ESB:R in HD.

Strictly speaking, downloading any fan edit is illegal, no matter what official discs you've bought.

However, our forum rules state:

Jay said:

As far as this community is concerned, you should own the official retail release of a fan edit's source material if it is possible to do so. Content producers deserve to be compensated, so if you don't own the retail release (if available), you have no business possessing a fan edit.

If ESB:R is sourced from the BD, you must legitimately purchase the retail release. I trust this is clear.

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#536433
Topic
STAR WARS - Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc) (Released)
Time

msycamore said:

Ah, ok thanks. Don't know if Zion updates that comparison page any longer, otherwise you have Moth3r's page: http://moth3r.heliohost.org/ld-screens.htm But he have two pics not included in your upload. The chroma noise is really awful when seeing it on those stills. :( I see that arnie.d's V8 is missing on those pages...

I don't think Zion has the time to keep his page up to date. My comparison page is temporarily down at the moment, but I'll update it with your capture when it's back.

If anyone can provide shots of arnie.d's V8 I'll add that as well.

Are then any plans for a newsgroup upload or is this only going to be available at myspleen for the foreseeable future?

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#535889
Topic
Redesign the site?
Time

bkev said:

Also, more radically, I think the fanedit part of the forum should be split off to fanedits.com. It gives less credibility to the mission, mainly due to the irony. While I do enjoy our fanediting community, I don't think the petition and/or site needs people brushing it off just because we're inconsistent.

The membership survey carried out in 2008 suggested that most people were opposed to moving the fanediting discussion over to fanedits.com.

Instead, the fan project wiki from fanedits.com was brought into originatrilogy.com.

I agree however that the main page could do with an update.

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#535856
Topic
How do others see the originaltrilogy.com community?
Time

I know we have a generally good reputation elsewhere, the projects by yourself and Harmy (not forgetting Jambe Davdar's Star Wars Begins) have earned that.

I was thinking back to a post Anchorhead made when referring to frevious's likening of GL's activities to Nazi war crimes. I'm wondering how much newcomers views are affected by posts from two or three of our resident nutjobs.

And none's response:

none said:

^ Judging a whole forum from a few quotes, posts, threads will happen, but that's their loss.  Forums are for people speaking their views, even if they are atrocious, idiotic, repetitive or helpful.

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#535854
Topic
How do others see the originaltrilogy.com community?
Time

"be warned there are some hardcore nerfherders over there"

link: http://hd420p.wordpress.com/tag/originaltrilogy-com/

 

"the OOT tea partiers at originaltrilogy.com"

link: http://acertainpointofview.net/?p=635

 

"originaltrilogy.com - the most unintentionally hilarious site on the web at the moment."

http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-rays-dvds-download-services/1348465-lord-rings-time-dip-prepared-double-dip-14.html

 

"you should check that site out; talk about people not being able to let go"

http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-rays-dvds-download-services/1507979-star-wars-blu-ray-set-discussion-thread-9.html

 

"head over to originaltrilogy.com's message boards and you'll find lucasbashers all over the place. of course not all of them hate the man, most just want the originals restored and released (in very specific ways mind you). then there are the others that just want to see him dead. those guys have some serious problems."

http://boards.theforce.net/fan_films_fan_audio_scifi_3d/b10015/29785196/p1/

 

"the wonderful people over at originaltrilogy.com..."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=32222890

 

"I used to love reading the posts over at originaltrilogy.com, but now ANYthing Lucas/Lucasfilm do or say is absolutely torn to pieces without any sense of balance at all these days. There's a LOT of anti-Lucasfilm childishness there now too. Not only that but many of the posts verge on outright hatred for the man, and those posts I find intensely disturbing. There's a couple of posters there that I think need some genuine help..."

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/313950/chance-to-talk-to-lucasfilm-about-the-new-star-wars-blu-rays-what-do-you-want-to-know/870

 

"Those trolls at originaltrilogy.com are mean and disrespectfull."

http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-movies-north-america/141915-star-wars-complete-saga-original-prequel-trilogy-sept-16-2011-new-poll-457.html

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#535808
Topic
DIF - Difference tool to spot visual changes - Current 2004 vs 2019
Time

none said:

dark_jedi wrote: what in the world are you trying to accomplish with this?

Initially, this is being done to spot changes in the recent set.  I don't have the visual knowledge of these films as many here do.  Never watched them as a kid as we didn't have a VCR or laserdisc.  So although i'm interested in the changes, I can't watch and spot, hey that's off.  But as everything is digital can approach finding changes from a mechanical perspective.  Let the computer figure it out.  But right now don't know how to get the computer to spit out the information.

Here's the graph i'd like to get: (no spit takes!)

Taking two sources and 'Difference' blending mode them, returns mostly black screen, so the chart would flat line most of the time, and the spots where a revision has occured will spike the chart.  Then just go to that spot in the video and see what's causing the anomaly.  That's the identifying part. 

Just my initial thoughts about how you might be able to produce this.

Using an Avisynth script along these lines:

source1=[HD broadcast].converttorgb()
source2=[BD rip].convertorgb()
Subtract(source1, source2) # the video will now be totally grey, unless there are any differences between the two sources  
Levels([yada yada]) # may be required to tweak levels or saturation to make changes more visible in the following steps
PointResize(1,1) # this basically produces a single pixel by averaging every pixel in the frame 
DumpPixelValues("RGB", "(0,0)") 

Now open the file dumppixelvalue.log in Excel, and manipulate (convert hex to decimal, etc.) to produce your graph. It will look slightly different because the default will be 128, with differences shown as either higher or lower than this mid point. 

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#534957
Topic
Anyone still watch the LD releases?
Time

captainsolo said:

... LD is about 420i and VHS is about 240i IIRC. ...

Sounds like you are confusing video modes with analogue resolution.

Standard definition NTSC video is 480i - that includes VHS, LD and DVD. The video signal contains 480 horizontal lines of picture information (vertical resolution).

The ability of each of these lines to resolve fine detail is dependent on the analogue bandwidth - this can be measured in terms of horizontal resolution (vertical lines on the screen).

Roughly:
VHS = 3MHz, or 240 lines
Laserdisc = 5.5Mhz, 440 lines
DVD = 6.75MHz, 540 lines

You should never confuse this with digital resolution which is simply the number of discrete pixels, e.g. 720 x 480.