MonkeyLizard10

I just posted a Reslio Link to a complete betahouse of the complete The Phantom Menace Trailer ‘A’ (the original U.S. teaser) in 4k REC709 Gamma 2.4 SDR in the AOTC contributor’s PM thread in UHD REC709 primaries Gamma 2.4 SDR at 95 bitrate h.265 (HEVC). No dirt cleanup and such and not quite fully tweaked, but the colors are already pretty close now to the actual 35mm look (compared on screen side by side with the actual 35mm frames on a D56 CRI 95 lightbox).

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updated trailer list

Currently refining color calibration of scan data for the TPM Trailer A (Teaser).

Have colors quite close to matching the 35mm print viewed on D56 CRI 95 lightbox side by side. I believe the teaser trailer has a noticeably different color grading for many scenes than the final release print (don’t have one of those, but I remember the colors being a fair bit different on it, especially the reds and oranges). I have not yet looked at the main release trailer for TPM:

Sample frame in 4k from 6.5K scan of the trailer mentioned above (very close to looking what the actual 35mm Trailer print looks like, not absolutely exact but the color and saturation level are dialed in pretty close here) with initial direct side by side color calibration and zero DNR applied:

$947 = funding initial stage 1
$1202.89 = funding initial stage 2
$1437.89 = full project funding (as of this week’s pricing)

so far:
(pledged $1010)
collected $960

need $242.89 more for initial stage 2 funding to be completed and need $477.89 more full project funding

Some great news! I just got back a little while ago with all of the scan data and prints!

Fruit672 said:

Slavicuss said:

MonkeyLizard10 said:

Slavicuss said:

Finally got to see an outtake of Walrus Man’s severed bloody head. Great stuff!

I think there is some other youtube video that has that footage and a bunch of other stuff.

You wouldn’t have a link?

I remember seeing a fan reconstruction of the scene a few years back. Great to finally see the real deal. I wonder how many fan edits will make good use of the outtake?

https://youtu.be/qRmCUjvZti0?t=1290 here’s the shot where his head gets chopped off

haha, oh ok so actually the video I was thinking of DID have his head chopped off, I thought so, but then last night a quick skim all I saw was the claw hand severed and thought maybe I misremembered and the only difference it had was the claw vs fingered hand. Yeah, knew I saw the head severed before and that is the same link I was thinking of.

Slavicuss said:

MonkeyLizard10 said:

Slavicuss said:

Finally got to see an outtake of Walrus Man’s severed bloody head. Great stuff!

I think there is some other youtube video that has that footage and a bunch of other stuff.

You wouldn’t have a link?

I remember seeing a fan reconstruction of the scene a few years back. Great to finally see the real deal. I wonder how many fan edits will make good use of the outtake?

oop sorry, no it was something else, I was thinking of the version where they showed the severed arm of Walrus man with claw hand, not his head

Slavicuss said:

Finally got to see an outtake of Walrus Man’s severed bloody head. Great stuff!

I think there is some other youtube video that has that footage and a bunch of other stuff.

nice

fmalover said:

Here’s a sample of a Czech scan. How does it compare to your scan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRmnC1kHOs0

next to most recent post:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Jurassic-Park-35mm-historical-preservation-project-WIP-earliest-stage/id/100179

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It will be interesting to see what the colors end up like for JP on this project here.

I have a JP print in hand (which I am running another 4k project for, see other thread) and I can say that the earlier (nothing to do with the new 4k project this thread is about, talking about the original JP 35mm project done in HD) 1080P project versions 1 and 2 (assuming my copies didn’t get messed with and re-encoded in wrong colorspace or something and are the proper original files for the project) colors definitely do not match what I see on the print I have. There is definitely more saturation on the actual print (at least on the particular print I have access to at the moment) and the colors are a different tint, pretty noticeably so. I will also say that the colors are a bit different than I expected. The yellow and red on the jeep are not quite as ultra-saturated as I expected and the red is a touch different shade than expected, although a good bit moreso than on the 1080P original project files I have, and a lot of the vegetation isn’t a rich green but more of a bit kinda yellowish less greeny green (the old project has that too, just even a good deal moreso less saturated for the red on the truck and pink shirts and the green, while also not deep, rich greeny green, is tinted a different way and a bit different than what I see on the print on hand). I don’t know if the print I have on hand even has full richness or not. It seems decent, but I’m not sure it’s quite a week one print. But hard to say, I only did see JP in 35mm back in '93 and only digital ever since so I really don’t remember that sort of detail. After prints get shown a lot, they tend to lose a bit of contrast and saturation and the highlights and brights sometimes get more blown out and run together in a weird way, from what I recall from the 35mm projection days, when you’d often see quite a change from first week or showings to showings a month or two later if they never got a new print. Anyway, the one I have in hand, all the same, still might be richer and less faded than the one scanned for the 1080P project (assuming it’s not just the scanner used or the grading making the difference, which could be). Whatever the reason, the 1080P original project looks a bit dull and faded and with somewhat different tint to colors compared to the tiny bit of the 35mm print I have in hand I just peeked at. It’s really a fair amount different. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this print and it’s project end up comparing to mine as well as to the original 1080P project.

I compared on a D56 high CRI lightbox directly next to monitor showing the two earlier 1080P project scan .mkv files. Not sure if it is because the print they used was more faded out or maybe processed differently in the film lab or the way the scan got done or graded. The files almost have a look like they were made in P3 or something but treated like they were REC709 primaries sort of deal, but it might just be the particular print, the scanning or grading. (that said still all props to the original 1080P JP project, there’s a lot great about it!)

Papai2013 said:

Fullmetaled said:

@RU.08 are you going to give both Jurassic park and Jurassic park 3 a hdr/Dolby vision grade so the awful uhd blu ray can be retired to the dust bin of garbage video transfers?

I don’t think there is any need for a Dolby Vision or HDR grade to create colour that closely matches the prints. There was no Dolby Vision or HDR in 2001 or a decade from then.

I believe that 8bit SDR doesn’t quite capture what many theatrical prints deliver and certainly not what original camera negatives can. So you actually do need HDR, even if only maybe just a modest bit, to match film ideally. You also need wide gamut color, something beyond REC709 primaries (at least for some films, it depends, of course, if something is all dusty tan and gray, it won’t make a difference, if it has intense deep yellows, reds, etc. without going to wide gamut color you will clip away some of the original colors).

RU.08 said:

SpookyDollhouse said:

Higher color gamut alone would benefit it and HDR would be icing on the cake.

Film doesn’t have a “colour gamut”, it’s basically got intensity of reds, greens, and blues which is represented by each corresponding resistive dye layer (magenta blocks green etc). Film has a bit_ more in the reds and oranges and a little bit more in cyan blue and yellow compared with Rec709, but that’s it:

I’d actually say that is quite a bit more in the red than it seems like on the charts though. That tiny part makes a decent bit of difference to the eye. What seems like a tiny extension for that and also for typical wide gamut photo editing monitors in red/orange is actually really quite noticeable when dealing with flowers, sunsets, fall foliage, red sports cars, 80s type clothes, etc.

I’d also say film has a gamut, it’s just of a different form than the ones usually encountered in digital since it doesn’t have the base slice a perfect triangle and it’s shape and volume are more strange than typical in digital and it’s strict shape isn’t defined by three simple primaries, you need more if you want to minimally encompass it (but you can use three, you will then also end up having to include some parts beyond the film’s gamut so it’s no longer minimal but that doesn’t really matter), etc. Digital wide gamut also tends to add a lot of extensions of ability to saturate really bright parts of scenes while film tends to most of it’s wide gamut extensions more in darker and mid-tones and not so much in really bright parts.

I have the print in hand now and I can say that the earlier 1080P project versions 1 and 2 colors definitely do not match what I see on the print I have. There is definitely more saturation on the actual print (at least on the particular print I have access to at the moment) and the colors are a different tint, pretty noticeably so.
I compared on a D56 high CRI lightbox directly next to monitor showing the two earlier 1080P project scan .mkv files. Not sure if it is because the print they used was more faded out or maybe processed differently in the film lab or the way the scan got done or graded. (that said still all props to the original 1080P JP project!)

The AOTC 35mm feature has now been entirely scanned as well as the associated trailers for this project.
Funding for the gigantic HD needed for the temp rendering for the main feature would be helpful.
A few quick samples of the feature will likely be provided first, including a a 4K still of the infamous skin job hand at the wedding (that major change between versions has probably not been seen in any quality by all but a few in like two decades). Then the trailers will likely get finished first (although bring back the color and all the color in the two Star Wars trailers might be the last part of the project).

J0E said:

MonkeyLizard10 said:

Resilio link to the GrindyGrindhouse version of the complete reel1 (with built-in Minority Report trailer as well) put up in the donors group PM chain.

Kinda cool to see it even if it comes from such a rough bit of data! It is kinda neat. And kinda looks better, much better than expected from the rough sample source!

I guess the print has a bit more dust spots than I thought and a decent bit more white specks, otherwise it looks fantastic.

I really have no idea how close the colors, saturation and tonal curve are to correct here, probably gotta be somewhat off, won’t know until I get the print back to reference since I don’t really have any knowledge of how this scanner reacts and what sort of standard grading makes it true to print, so just guesses and only working from an 8bit ultra compressed mp4 that only had 1440 res across and since the image itself wasn’t side to side since the scan includes a lot of the perfs and borders so the actual image was built from even far less horizontal resolution than that.

That’s great to hear. Is there a thread on Wilrob’s site?

Thanks!

yeah

Resilio link to the GrindyGrindhouse version of the complete reel1 (with built-in Minority Report trailer as well) put up in the donors group PM chain.

Kinda cool to see it even if it comes from such a rough bit of data! It is kinda neat. And kinda looks better, much better than expected from the rough sample source!

I guess the print has a bit more dust spots than I thought and a decent bit more white specks, otherwise it looks fantastic.

I really have no idea how close the colors, saturation and tonal curve are to correct here, probably gotta be somewhat off, won’t know until I get the print back to reference since I don’t really have any knowledge of how this scanner reacts and what sort of standard grading makes it true to print, so just guesses and only working from an 8bit ultra compressed mp4 that only had 1440 res across and since the image itself wasn’t side to side since the scan includes a lot of the perfs and borders so the actual image was built from even far less horizontal resolution than that.

RU.08 said:

Jurassic Park is being done as it is here and I can confirm it is absolutely professional quality.

Join my Discord server and send me a message.

OK, just did.

(It seems there is a good chance this alternate one might end up going ahead anyway it’s already been in some time in getting the chance and a bit awkward to stop now and it might never hurt to get an alternate print done and processed in an alternate way.)

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I have a project going to get to scan a US open matte 35mm print of Jurassic Park, scan needs to be done right away. As the other part of the dual project many trailers will also be scanned at 6.5K and made available to donors in higher quality compression than the general heavily compressed releases.

There are quite a few potential trailers. Between this stuff and the prior project currently being worked on it may take some time to finish this all. Donors can ask what trailers to give priority for scanning and processing and they will be done in order of donations+requests received. Trailer can include:

The Little Mermaid trailer - original U.S. 1989

Home Alone 2 trailer

the rare Carmen On Ice trailer - feat. Katerina Witt & Brian Boitano

Blade Runner trailer - LPP and not faded, early optical stereo only

Return Of The Jedi SE Trailer ‘D’

Cruel Intentions

the rare A Night In The Life Of Jimmy Reardon trailer

Pretty In Pink - original trailer

The Lost World: Jurassic Park trailer

Bring It On trailer

Buffy The Vampire Slayer trailer

the rare Spider-Man 2002 Twin Towers Teaser trailer

Anchorman trailer

the rare Cool World trailer

Scans will be at 6.5K. Grading will be matched side by side display with a few selected frames from the various reels viewed under theatrical projection-like high CRI LED D56 lightbox conditions to hopefully get it to be extremely true in color tone, saturation and tonal curve to the 35mm print.

Project will have feature (trailers might not all get HDR) release in 2k and 4k SDR and 4k HDR (HDR will likely be mild and kept more theatrical-like) with two versions each (except for all the trailers that are not open matte), one being switching ratios open matte & 1.85:1 and one being all theatrical 1.85:1 and in both regular and ultra-suoer-high bitrate versions.

Audio will be both theatrical optical audio and Cinema DTS (for most to all stuff more recent than 1992).

Please respond here and DM me if interested in helping fund.
Project scanning/storage/backup cost: $1260 (actual true full cost will likely be considerably higher for this and the main print access fee is not yet totaled into this sum yet so the base level will go higher in the end most likely)
Current funding level: $1200 = 95% funded

UPDATE: the project will now also include a scan of the main original trailer for Jurassic Park

a couple of random, first reel quick and dirty sample scan frames, may not be accurate color and tonal curve, no cleanup:

Scanning has begun. First reel is done and the rest are now gonna be done.