MonkeyLizard10

very nice!

One thing I recall is that the Dolby Cinema version had a different color grading than the other theatrical versions. Personally I thought it was uglier. One scene became particularly more yellow and over-saturated in a weird looking way. And some of the way they did the HDR seemed less appealing than the IMAX, IMAX Laser or regular grades. They tended to hype up some bright brights but leave mid-tones too dark, so like Rey’s face was always dark and it kinda changed the tone and clashed. In other versions her face showed up better and was brighter and it fit the mood better.

The UHD, only peeked at it, seems VERY bright for the highlights. The sabers and lighting strikes are like almost seizure inducing and distracting. IMO, it’s one to make sure to set your max brightness limited on playback to tame it back to more normal levels for the super highlights.

The IMAX Laser grading was my favorite (not all that different from the regular grading, mostly just better blacks, bit more DR and pop).

The original project of this thread still seems to be extinct, no clue if it will get going again. I’m not in on the details.

But the new project here is a current, active WIP: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/AOTC-35mm-historical-preservation-WIP-entered-second-funding-stage/id/99991

FULLY FUNDED
[x] Print purchased.
[x] Print in hand.
[x] Scan data HD purchased.
[x] Print and scan data HD at scanner.
[x] The scan/tape backup/secondary transport has been fully funded during first funding stage. I covered print, the rest of the transport and some storage cost so far.
[x] scan completed and tape backed up
[x] scan data back in hand
[x] initial stage funded
[x] second initial stage funded
[x] full project funded

Main thread is over at the forums (link to the forums can be found on this page https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/4K77-Released/id/60815).

At this point, it is expected to be paired with audio from U.S. theatrical DTS discs (I’ve already mostly processed this, will need to be trimmed between reels and timing matched to print), the U.S. optical audio on the print as well as Spanish theatrical DTS discs. Most to all of the associated trailers will also feature Cinema DTS audio as well as the theatrical optical audio.

Scan will be 6.5K (enough for true 4K of the image area (scans include borders, optical audio area and much of the sprockets so actual image area is only a part of each captured frame), not that this has 4k detail, but the grain should be very well and naturally captured and fine and the 6.5K should overcome the Bayer sensor of the scanner and give essentially true color per pixel).

This project also includes on the side, 6.5K scans of the following trailers to be paired with their optical audio tracks:
U.S. Star Wars teaser
U.S. Star Wars trailer
U.S. TPM Trailer ‘A’
U.S. TPM Trailer ‘B’
U.S. AOTC Trailer ‘A’
U.S. AOTC Trailer ‘B’

CannonShy said:
Assuming this holds, it should mean that the streaming soundtrack can be downmixed (with the right ffmpeg command) to produce something very very close to the broadcast stereo soundtrack at much higher quality than any actual recording of the original broadcasts we happen to have copies of.

Is often heavily compressed streaming audio actually better quality than VHS HiFi audio recording?

CannonShy said:

• S01E01 had some WB specific intro bits that might be worth preserving - copy available here (is it canon?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvDbvHsqiOc

oh wow I had completely forgotten about the cool intro it had, especially that freaky first part
I hope I got that on tape.

Matt_Stevens said:

Well there are a few, but I don’t know if a way in which you could do it. GOTCHA is an all time favorite that will likely never see a Blu-Ray release. I have it on D-VHS, 1080i 2.0 mono (copy once recorded).

Thankfully that did come out on blu-ray since you posted that.

I’m gonna put out a preservation scan of the 35mm trailer for it.

Is this any better quality than the really poor Mill Creek blu-ray?

I might have a few episodes on VHS. Might be quite a while though as have not yet started my VHS digitizing project and I have tons of tapes and am doing other stuff too.

I’m sure I have a bunch of episodes recorded on VHS. I’m not sure if I would’ve necessarily spooled it up in time to always catch the very start or not. Anyway, if I come across anything useful during my VHS tapes digitizing project I’ll get back to this thread. Could be quite a while. So many tapes and it will take a long time to digitize them. And I’m doing work on 4K02 and other stuff now too.

I probably have the episodes recorded OTA to one of my TV recording HDs somewhere (or maybe burned onto a data DVD). If you still need any of that stuff, tell me and I will keep it in mind as I organize things if I come across them.
I think I got my HDTV recorder for my PC as far back as 2004, I know I have some rare HD footage of the 2004 games. NBC actually ran their HD OTA broadcasts with way less commercials and a lot more coverage than their OTA analog broadcast then, I guess HD was so rare then, they didn’t mind any loss of commercial fees. Anyway so I had to have started recording some HD stuff OTA at least as far back as summer of 2004.

The new 4K02 35mm preservation project is started now (in the other forums) with print in hand and all stuff set to go when ready. So far it has a bit under 50% funding covered to get the scan and storage.

The 4K02 35mm preservation project is started now (in the other forums) with print in hand and all stuff set to go when ready. So far it has a bit under 50% funding covered to get the scan and storage done and covered.

SilverWook said:

70mm reels of Star Wars have popped up on Ebay in the past, so you never know! 😉

wow, really? what price did they go for?
when was the last time one has been seen?

darth_ender said:

Old news.  I’ve got it now, thanks 😃  If you wanted it, it’s up at MySpleen.

Very old post hah, but a 35mm AOTC project has finally started.

J0E said:
Again, still holding out hope someone takes this on someday.

AOTC 35mm project has started now

yellow05maze said:

CloakedDragon97 said:

They did the whole movie as well.

Where? I can’t find it anywhere

look for the forums link in a post half way up the previous page by CloakedDragon and then look inside forums

A 35mm project for this has finally started now.

YakfaceForSenate said:

Any updates on this project?

Doesn’t seem to be.
A new one just about to start over at the other forums though.

emanswfan said:

A full 4k scan of a 35mm print of TPM would be perfect for my PT color grading project. I’m very much looking forward to this. It would work as just the right color reference for regrading the new 4K master, which I believe is just the same colors as the blu-ray but in 10 bit HDR.

Meanwhile the new 4K versions of AOTC and ROTS are accurate colors to the original 2K DCP’s, with the exception of it now being 10 bit HDR, and it’s easy enough to throw on a print emulation lut of the correct stock onto those to create 35mm print accurate colors of those. Still it would help to have 4K scans of 35mm prints anyhow just to make sure that I can tweak the emulation just right to match.

The new UHD for AOTC has contrast, colors, saturation not looking at all like the 35mm theatrical release/trailers though. I do recall the digital projection for AOTC was surprisingly a bit duller than the 35mm version (unlike with TPM), so perhaps it isn’t as far off from the digital AOTC release. But I still feel like it might be duller and it did get some DNR.

TPM and AOTC got hit with DNR before the DVD releases.

They both also got the colors and contrast muted for TPM for a lot of nice scenes and colors and contrast got muted and the colors a bit shifted for AOTC.

AOTC also never a home release to match the 35mm theatrical release, the home releases are all closer to the digital theatrical release (which oddly looked a bit duller to me than the 35mm theatrical releases even though the TPM digital theatrical release was even more intense than the 35mm theatrical release).

In the end, the UHD brought back the contrast and some of the color for some key scenes so, once max brightness is dialed down, it looks closest in those regards to the original theatrical releases and improves a lot on prior home releases. Still has the DNR though and a few things still seem less saturated.

The AOTC UHD, for some reason, didn’t seem to bring the pop back that, at the least, the 35mm theatrical release had and it looks a bit flat and muted and the colors also are still shifted and it’s also DNR’ed. The HDTV version from way back and overseas is closer.

Fang Zei said:

emanswfan said:

And to note the extra bit depth is incredibly useful for color grading work in fanedits.

I’ve run into many issues with regrading the prequels due to the limited amount available on the current blu-rays. Meanwhile working on Solo from the 4K Blu-ray, it’s incredible just how much you can alter the image.

Are you one of the twelve people in the world who actually owns a UHD optical drive?

???
plenty of people have them

OT-Fan said:

surroundsound99 said:

I wonder if you’re thinking of a trailer for the movie? Sometimes they put things in trailers but not the movie. For example when a Tie Fighter rises up to confront Jyn and has her in its sights as she’s on the parapet outside of a tower on Scarif.

Or maybe you’re thinking of the fact that it takes Luke a (seemingly) long time to uncoil the rope?

I’m quite sure the answer to the first item is no. All of the (known) trailers are available and none contain this. I certainly agree that trailers often contain additional footage or alternate takes. I’m also quite sure I never saw a trailer for Star Wars before seeing it the first time. I had never been to that theater or any other where Star Wars was first shown, and had only ever been to the movies 2 or 3 times before that. I heard about it by word of mouth, and was invited to go with neighbors to see it.

Again, watch the specific shots I pointed out at 1:49 and 1:55 very carefully. They give the clues to what should be between them. Then listen to the music very carefully. I believe the music very clearly tells the story as well. I believe the changes (inserts) were frame for frame replacements (141 replacing 141), so there was no change to the music or timing necessary.

I have carefully listened and compared the audio recording of the 70mm presentation at New Jersey’s Triplex Paramus during its initial run (link below). I’m quite sure that the frames with Luke’s missed attempt were not present here. The audio well matches the blaster shots in the inserts that replaced it, with no sound that would match a missed grappling attempt (or reeling the line back into the belt). This is why I think if anything, the alteration was made before the eight first-run 70mm prints were struck, leaving only the thirty-five first-run 35mm prints as possibly containing the full missed attempt shot.

http://www.wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html (The chasm scene is near the end of Part2.)

Again, I certainly consider it possible that the combination of the music for the scene combined with what is seen around these 5 7/8 seconds is so suggestive that it has lead many of us to believe that Luke missed, even though we never saw it that way. However, I think it is more likely that some of us actually saw it, and even more likely it was that way when Williams scored it.

One problem with this is that the one and only time I recall ever seeing the missed attempt was day 1 at the Paramus theater 70mm. From what I’ve heard they replaced their original print soon and I think that guy who recorded the audio recorded their replacement print which would almost surely have been from the redone batches for the ‘wide’ 70mm release.

FWIW, way back in 1977 as a little kid I wrote a note about what happened to the Luke miss when I saw the movie (a zillion) more times later that year. So it was a fresh memory back then, not something remembered years or decades later. I could swear I didn’t read the novelization until later on, probably later that year or something. I had actually only learned to read less than a year earlier than the movie. I’m not sure when I got the Star Wars Storybook but I’d think likely after my first non-70mm showing. The whole scene seemed more dramatic and tense with the Stormtroopers taking a few more seconds to prop up the door and Leia more worried. If it wasn’t real, somehow I would’ve had to have and read the book earlier and then had some sort of crazy dream where I visualized what I read and then that replaced my original memory right before we then saw it in 35mm when that came out a few weeks later or whatever it was. I thought in the earliet days of Usenet that I saw some who saw the initial 70mm print shown at Paramus also recall the missed attempt. I need to see if I can dig up old Amiga files and see what my version different notes that I posted were back then and what I captured of what others said back then.

OT-Fan said:

For me it’s more that I remember the distinct impression that something had changed the first time I saw it in general release in 1978. I remember at that time questioning whether I really remembered Luke missing the previous 6 or 7 times I saw the movie (first run)? Of course at that time I was under the impression that movies were carved in stone and never changed once they were released. As I previously described I don’t believe there was any difference in the length of the scene. A change in the length would require alteration to the music. I simply believe that 141 frames that may have originally shown Luke missing in the 35 first run 35mm prints, were replaced with a different 141 frames that don’t show Luke missing in all other prints. No change in time or music.

Although look at how messed up the music is in the ESB SE when they redid the whole “Bring my shuttle!” scene. It’s kinda all chopped and ruined up in the SE. I don’t know. I have to see the scene again, but could they also maybe have kept the music the same though and sliced a bit out before the throws or after and had it still work at all?

canofhumdingers said:

I like the way Nolan handled the shifting aspect ratios of his films for the blu ray releases. It was the closest he could get to replicating the IMAX theatrical experience on current home theater tech.

HOWEVER, I think ALL of these blu rays should’ve included the full frame IMAX footage as bonus features.

I’ve been incredibly fortunate to see all four of these films at a 15/70 presentation (even got to see TDK twice thanks to a revival screening!) and there is nothing else like it in the world. Interstellar on IMAX was possibly the single greatest theatrical presentation I’ve ever experienced. The escape from Jakku on 15/70 was mind blowing. It was so visceral and nearly overwhelming. You felt like you were right there, in that chase. And you DEFINATELY lose something in the cropped scope version.

agreed

Dek Rollins said:

My problem with IMAX scenes is that the AR shift wouldn’t have to happen if they just did the whole thing in IMAX. Either use IMAX or don’t use IMAX.

I like the shift, it was like wow boom you immersed into the MF escape sequence scene.