MonkeyLizard10

I have a project going to get to scan a US open matte 35mm print of Jurassic Park, scan needs to be done right away. As the other part of the dual project many trailers will also be scanned at 6.5K and made available to donors in higher quality compression than the general heavily compressed releases.

There are quite a few potential trailers. Between this stuff and the prior project currently being worked on it may take some time to finish this all. Donors can ask what trailers to give priority for scanning and processing and they will be done in order of donations+requests received. Trailer can include:

The Little Mermaid trailer - original U.S. 1989

Home Alone 2 trailer

the rare Carmen On Ice trailer - feat. Katerina Witt & Brian Boitano

Blade Runner trailer - LPP and not faded, early optical stereo only

Return Of The Jedi SE Trailer ‘D’

Cruel Intentions

the rare A Night In The Life Of Jimmy Reardon trailer

Pretty In Pink - original trailer

The Lost World: Jurassic Park trailer

Bring It On trailer

Buffy The Vampire Slayer trailer

the rare Spider-Man 2002 Twin Towers Teaser trailer

Anchorman trailer

the rare Cool World trailer

Scans will be at 6.5K. Grading will be matched side by side display with a few selected frames from the various reels viewed under theatrical projection-like high CRI LED D56 lightbox conditions to hopefully get it to be extremely true in color tone, saturation and tonal curve to the 35mm print.

Project will have feature (trailers might not all get HDR) release in 2k and 4k SDR and 4k HDR (HDR will likely be mild and kept more theatrical-like) with two versions each (except for all the trailers that are not open matte), one being switching ratios open matte & 1.85:1 and one being all theatrical 1.85:1 and in both regular and ultra-suoer-high bitrate versions.

Audio will be both theatrical optical audio and Cinema DTS (for most to all stuff more recent than 1992).

Please respond here and DM me if interested in helping fund.
Project scanning/storage/backup cost: $1260 (actual true full cost will likely be considerably higher for this and the main print access fee is not yet totaled into this sum yet so the base level will go higher in the end most likely)
Current funding level: $1200 = 95% funded

UPDATE: the project will now also include a scan of the main original trailer for Jurassic Park

a couple of random, first reel quick and dirty sample scan frames, may not be accurate color and tonal curve, no cleanup:

Scanning has begun. First reel is done and the rest are now gonna be done.

very nice!

One thing I recall is that the Dolby Cinema version had a different color grading than the other theatrical versions. Personally I thought it was uglier. One scene became particularly more yellow and over-saturated in a weird looking way. And some of the way they did the HDR seemed less appealing than the IMAX, IMAX Laser or regular grades. They tended to hype up some bright brights but leave mid-tones too dark, so like Rey’s face was always dark and it kinda changed the tone and clashed. In other versions her face showed up better and was brighter and it fit the mood better.

The UHD, only peeked at it, seems VERY bright for the highlights. The sabers and lighting strikes are like almost seizure inducing and distracting. IMO, it’s one to make sure to set your max brightness limited on playback to tame it back to more normal levels for the super highlights.

The IMAX Laser grading was my favorite (not all that different from the regular grading, mostly just better blacks, bit more DR and pop).

The original project of this thread still seems to be extinct, no clue if it will get going again. I’m not in on the details.

But the new project here is a current, active WIP: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/AOTC-35mm-historical-preservation-WIP-entered-second-funding-stage/id/99991

FULLY FUNDED
[x] Print purchased.
[x] Print in hand.
[x] Scan data HD purchased.
[x] Print and scan data HD at scanner.
[x] The scan/tape backup/secondary transport has been fully funded during first funding stage. I covered print, the rest of the transport and some storage cost so far.
[x] scan completed and tape backed up
[x] scan data back in hand
[x] initial stage funded
[x] second initial stage funded
[x] full project funded

Main thread is over at the forums (link to the forums can be found on this page https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/4K77-Released/id/60815).

At this point, it is expected to be paired with audio from U.S. theatrical DTS discs (I’ve already mostly processed this, will need to be trimmed between reels and timing matched to print), the U.S. optical audio on the print as well as Spanish theatrical DTS discs. Most to all of the associated trailers will also feature Cinema DTS audio as well as the theatrical optical audio.

Scan will be 6.5K (enough for true 4K of the image area (scans include borders, optical audio area and much of the sprockets so actual image area is only a part of each captured frame), not that this has 4k detail, but the grain should be very well and naturally captured and fine and the 6.5K should overcome the Bayer sensor of the scanner and give essentially true color per pixel).

This project also includes on the side, 6.5K scans of the following trailers to be paired with their optical audio tracks:
U.S. Star Wars teaser
U.S. Star Wars trailer
U.S. TPM Trailer ‘A’
U.S. TPM Trailer ‘B’
U.S. AOTC Trailer ‘A’
U.S. AOTC Trailer ‘B’

CannonShy said:
Assuming this holds, it should mean that the streaming soundtrack can be downmixed (with the right ffmpeg command) to produce something very very close to the broadcast stereo soundtrack at much higher quality than any actual recording of the original broadcasts we happen to have copies of.

Is often heavily compressed streaming audio actually better quality than VHS HiFi audio recording?

CannonShy said:

• S01E01 had some WB specific intro bits that might be worth preserving - copy available here (is it canon?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvDbvHsqiOc

oh wow I had completely forgotten about the cool intro it had, especially that freaky first part
I hope I got that on tape.

Matt_Stevens said:

Well there are a few, but I don’t know if a way in which you could do it. GOTCHA is an all time favorite that will likely never see a Blu-Ray release. I have it on D-VHS, 1080i 2.0 mono (copy once recorded).

Thankfully that did come out on blu-ray since you posted that.

I’m gonna put out a preservation scan of the 35mm trailer for it.

Is this any better quality than the really poor Mill Creek blu-ray?

I might have a few episodes on VHS. Might be quite a while though as have not yet started my VHS digitizing project and I have tons of tapes and am doing other stuff too.

I’m sure I have a bunch of episodes recorded on VHS. I’m not sure if I would’ve necessarily spooled it up in time to always catch the very start or not. Anyway, if I come across anything useful during my VHS tapes digitizing project I’ll get back to this thread. Could be quite a while. So many tapes and it will take a long time to digitize them. And I’m doing work on 4K02 and other stuff now too.

I probably have the episodes recorded OTA to one of my TV recording HDs somewhere (or maybe burned onto a data DVD). If you still need any of that stuff, tell me and I will keep it in mind as I organize things if I come across them.
I think I got my HDTV recorder for my PC as far back as 2004, I know I have some rare HD footage of the 2004 games. NBC actually ran their HD OTA broadcasts with way less commercials and a lot more coverage than their OTA analog broadcast then, I guess HD was so rare then, they didn’t mind any loss of commercial fees. Anyway so I had to have started recording some HD stuff OTA at least as far back as summer of 2004.

The new 4K02 35mm preservation project is started now (in the other forums) with print in hand and all stuff set to go when ready. So far it has a bit under 50% funding covered to get the scan and storage.

The 4K02 35mm preservation project is started now (in the other forums) with print in hand and all stuff set to go when ready. So far it has a bit under 50% funding covered to get the scan and storage done and covered.

SilverWook said:

70mm reels of Star Wars have popped up on Ebay in the past, so you never know! 😉

wow, really? what price did they go for?
when was the last time one has been seen?

darth_ender said:

Old news.  I’ve got it now, thanks 😃  If you wanted it, it’s up at MySpleen.

Very old post hah, but a 35mm AOTC project has finally started.

J0E said:
Again, still holding out hope someone takes this on someday.

AOTC 35mm project has started now

yellow05maze said:

CloakedDragon97 said:

They did the whole movie as well.

Where? I can’t find it anywhere

look for the forums link in a post half way up the previous page by CloakedDragon and then look inside forums

A 35mm project for this has finally started now.

YakfaceForSenate said:

Any updates on this project?

Doesn’t seem to be.
A new one just about to start over at the other forums though.

emanswfan said:

A full 4k scan of a 35mm print of TPM would be perfect for my PT color grading project. I’m very much looking forward to this. It would work as just the right color reference for regrading the new 4K master, which I believe is just the same colors as the blu-ray but in 10 bit HDR.

Meanwhile the new 4K versions of AOTC and ROTS are accurate colors to the original 2K DCP’s, with the exception of it now being 10 bit HDR, and it’s easy enough to throw on a print emulation lut of the correct stock onto those to create 35mm print accurate colors of those. Still it would help to have 4K scans of 35mm prints anyhow just to make sure that I can tweak the emulation just right to match.

The new UHD for AOTC has contrast, colors, saturation not looking at all like the 35mm theatrical release/trailers though. I do recall the digital projection for AOTC was surprisingly a bit duller than the 35mm version (unlike with TPM), so perhaps it isn’t as far off from the digital AOTC release. But I still feel like it might be duller and it did get some DNR.

TPM and AOTC got hit with DNR before the DVD releases.

They both also got the colors and contrast muted for TPM for a lot of nice scenes and colors and contrast got muted and the colors a bit shifted for AOTC.

AOTC also never a home release to match the 35mm theatrical release, the home releases are all closer to the digital theatrical release (which oddly looked a bit duller to me than the 35mm theatrical releases even though the TPM digital theatrical release was even more intense than the 35mm theatrical release).

In the end, the UHD brought back the contrast and some of the color for some key scenes so, once max brightness is dialed down, it looks closest in those regards to the original theatrical releases and improves a lot on prior home releases. Still has the DNR though and a few things still seem less saturated.

The AOTC UHD, for some reason, didn’t seem to bring the pop back that, at the least, the 35mm theatrical release had and it looks a bit flat and muted and the colors also are still shifted and it’s also DNR’ed. The HDTV version from way back and overseas is closer.

Fang Zei said:

emanswfan said:

And to note the extra bit depth is incredibly useful for color grading work in fanedits.

I’ve run into many issues with regrading the prequels due to the limited amount available on the current blu-rays. Meanwhile working on Solo from the 4K Blu-ray, it’s incredible just how much you can alter the image.

Are you one of the twelve people in the world who actually owns a UHD optical drive?

???
plenty of people have them