MonkeyLizard10

Papai2013 said:

Fullmetaled said:

@RU.08 are you going to give both Jurassic park and Jurassic park 3 a hdr/Dolby vision grade so the awful uhd blu ray can be retired to the dust bin of garbage video transfers?

I don’t think there is any need for a Dolby Vision or HDR grade to create colour that closely matches the prints. There was no Dolby Vision or HDR in 2001 or a decade from then.

I believe that 8bit SDR doesn’t quite capture what many theatrical prints deliver and certainly not what original camera negatives can. So you actually do need HDR, even if only maybe just a modest bit, to match film ideally. You also need wide gamut color, something beyond REC709 primaries (at least for some films, it depends, of course, if something is all dusty tan and gray, it won’t make a difference, if it has intense deep yellows, reds, etc. without going to wide gamut color you will clip away some of the original colors).

RU.08 said:

SpookyDollhouse said:

Higher color gamut alone would benefit it and HDR would be icing on the cake.

Film doesn’t have a “colour gamut”, it’s basically got intensity of reds, greens, and blues which is represented by each corresponding resistive dye layer (magenta blocks green etc). Film has a bit_ more in the reds and oranges and a little bit more in cyan blue and yellow compared with Rec709, but that’s it:

I’d actually say that is quite a bit more in the red than it seems like on the charts though. That tiny part makes a decent bit of difference to the eye. What seems like a tiny extension for that and also for typical wide gamut photo editing monitors in red/orange is actually really quite noticeable when dealing with flowers, sunsets, fall foliage, red sports cars, 80s type clothes, etc.

I’d also say film has a gamut, it’s just of a different form than the ones usually encountered in digital since it doesn’t have the base slice a perfect triangle and it’s shape and volume are more strange than typical in digital and it’s strict shape isn’t defined by three simple primaries, you need more if you want to minimally encompass it (but you can use three, you will then also end up having to include some parts beyond the film’s gamut so it’s no longer minimal but that doesn’t really matter), etc. Digital wide gamut also tends to add a lot of extensions of ability to saturate really bright parts of scenes while film tends to most of it’s wide gamut extensions more in darker and mid-tones and not so much in really bright parts.

I have the print in hand now and I can say that the earlier 1080P project versions 1 and 2 colors definitely do not match what I see on the print I have. There is definitely more saturation on the actual print (at least on the particular print I have access to at the moment) and the colors are a different tint, pretty noticeably so.
I compared on a D56 high CRI lightbox directly next to monitor showing the two earlier 1080P project scan .mkv files. Not sure if it is because the print they used was more faded out or maybe processed differently in the film lab or the way the scan got done or graded. (that said still all props to the original 1080P JP project!)

The AOTC 35mm feature has now been entirely scanned as well as the associated trailers for this project.
Funding for the gigantic HD needed for the temp rendering for the main feature would be helpful.
A few quick samples of the feature will likely be provided first, including a a 4K still of the infamous skin job hand at the wedding (that major change between versions has probably not been seen in any quality by all but a few in like two decades). Then the trailers will likely get finished first (although bring back the color and all the color in the two Star Wars trailers might be the last part of the project).

J0E said:

MonkeyLizard10 said:

Resilio link to the GrindyGrindhouse version of the complete reel1 (with built-in Minority Report trailer as well) put up in the donors group PM chain.

Kinda cool to see it even if it comes from such a rough bit of data! It is kinda neat. And kinda looks better, much better than expected from the rough sample source!

I guess the print has a bit more dust spots than I thought and a decent bit more white specks, otherwise it looks fantastic.

I really have no idea how close the colors, saturation and tonal curve are to correct here, probably gotta be somewhat off, won’t know until I get the print back to reference since I don’t really have any knowledge of how this scanner reacts and what sort of standard grading makes it true to print, so just guesses and only working from an 8bit ultra compressed mp4 that only had 1440 res across and since the image itself wasn’t side to side since the scan includes a lot of the perfs and borders so the actual image was built from even far less horizontal resolution than that.

That’s great to hear. Is there a thread on Wilrob’s site?

Thanks!

yeah

Resilio link to the GrindyGrindhouse version of the complete reel1 (with built-in Minority Report trailer as well) put up in the donors group PM chain.

Kinda cool to see it even if it comes from such a rough bit of data! It is kinda neat. And kinda looks better, much better than expected from the rough sample source!

I guess the print has a bit more dust spots than I thought and a decent bit more white specks, otherwise it looks fantastic.

I really have no idea how close the colors, saturation and tonal curve are to correct here, probably gotta be somewhat off, won’t know until I get the print back to reference since I don’t really have any knowledge of how this scanner reacts and what sort of standard grading makes it true to print, so just guesses and only working from an 8bit ultra compressed mp4 that only had 1440 res across and since the image itself wasn’t side to side since the scan includes a lot of the perfs and borders so the actual image was built from even far less horizontal resolution than that.

RU.08 said:

Jurassic Park is being done as it is here and I can confirm it is absolutely professional quality.

Join my Discord server and send me a message.

OK, just did.

(It seems there is a good chance this alternate one might end up going ahead anyway it’s already been in some time in getting the chance and a bit awkward to stop now and it might never hurt to get an alternate print done and processed in an alternate way.)

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I have a project going to get to scan a US open matte 35mm print of Jurassic Park, scan needs to be done right away. As the other part of the dual project many trailers will also be scanned at 6.5K and made available to donors in higher quality compression than the general heavily compressed releases.

There are quite a few potential trailers. Between this stuff and the prior project currently being worked on it may take some time to finish this all. Donors can ask what trailers to give priority for scanning and processing and they will be done in order of donations+requests received. Trailer can include:

The Little Mermaid trailer - original U.S. 1989

Home Alone 2 trailer

the rare Carmen On Ice trailer - feat. Katerina Witt & Brian Boitano

Blade Runner trailer - LPP and not faded, early optical stereo only

Return Of The Jedi SE Trailer ‘D’

Cruel Intentions

the rare A Night In The Life Of Jimmy Reardon trailer

Pretty In Pink - original trailer

The Lost World: Jurassic Park trailer

Bring It On trailer

Buffy The Vampire Slayer trailer

the rare Spider-Man 2002 Twin Towers Teaser trailer

Anchorman trailer

the rare Cool World trailer

Scans will be at 6.5K. Grading will be matched side by side display with a few selected frames from the various reels viewed under theatrical projection-like high CRI LED D56 lightbox conditions to hopefully get it to be extremely true in color tone, saturation and tonal curve to the 35mm print.

Project will have feature (trailers might not all get HDR) release in 2k and 4k SDR and 4k HDR (HDR will likely be mild and kept more theatrical-like) with two versions each (except for all the trailers that are not open matte), one being switching ratios open matte & 1.85:1 and one being all theatrical 1.85:1 and in both regular and ultra-suoer-high bitrate versions.

Audio will be both theatrical optical audio and Cinema DTS (for most to all stuff more recent than 1992).

Please respond here and DM me if interested in helping fund.
Project scanning/storage/backup cost: $1260 (actual true full cost will likely be considerably higher for this and the main print access fee is not yet totaled into this sum yet so the base level will go higher in the end most likely EDIT: I’ve ended permanently accessing the print, so huge cost, but not really something that can be a project cost now)
Current funding level: 100% funded [but the open matte will require another over 6TB more HD space so could open it up again to let me people in and cover that in a bit and I should probably do an over 6TB of currently rendered 1.85 data]

UPDATE UPDATE: the project will now also include a scan of the main original trailer for Jurassic Park and the teaser as well, however, these will be much delayed now due to the scanner used now longer scanning 6.5k DNG spec so I have to get my own scanner going which will take quite some time.

The scans for all other than the two JP trailers mentioned just above are long complete but not processed yet. Basic processing for the feature is complete. And a full beta release of the feature in 4k 1.85 ratio has been released now.

a couple of random, first reel quick and dirty sample scan frames, may not be accurate color and tonal curve, no cleanup:

Scanning has begun. First reel is done and the rest are now gonna be done.

very nice!

One thing I recall is that the Dolby Cinema version had a different color grading than the other theatrical versions. Personally I thought it was uglier. One scene became particularly more yellow and over-saturated in a weird looking way. And some of the way they did the HDR seemed less appealing than the IMAX, IMAX Laser or regular grades. They tended to hype up some bright brights but leave mid-tones too dark, so like Rey’s face was always dark and it kinda changed the tone and clashed. In other versions her face showed up better and was brighter and it fit the mood better.

The UHD, only peeked at it, seems VERY bright for the highlights. The sabers and lighting strikes are like almost seizure inducing and distracting. IMO, it’s one to make sure to set your max brightness limited on playback to tame it back to more normal levels for the super highlights.

The IMAX Laser grading was my favorite (not all that different from the regular grading, mostly just better blacks, bit more DR and pop).

The original project of this thread still seems to be extinct, no clue if it will get going again. I’m not in on the details.

But the new project here is a current, active WIP: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/AOTC-35mm-historical-preservation-WIP-entered-second-funding-stage/id/99991

FULLY FUNDED
[x] Print purchased.
[x] Print in hand.
[x] Scan data HD purchased.
[x] Print and scan data HD at scanner.
[x] The scan/tape backup/secondary transport has been fully funded during first funding stage. I covered print, the rest of the transport and some storage cost so far.
[x] scan completed and tape backed up
[x] scan data back in hand
[x] initial stage funded
[x] second initial stage funded
[x] full project funded

Main thread is over at the forums (link to the forums can be found on this page https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/4K77-Released/id/60815).

At this point, it is expected to be paired with audio from U.S. theatrical DTS discs (I’ve already mostly processed this, will need to be trimmed between reels and timing matched to print), the U.S. optical audio on the print as well as Spanish theatrical DTS discs. Most to all of the associated trailers will also feature Cinema DTS audio as well as the theatrical optical audio.

Scan will be 6.5K (enough for true 4K of the image area (scans include borders, optical audio area and much of the sprockets so actual image area is only a part of each captured frame), not that this has 4k detail, but the grain should be very well and naturally captured and fine and the 6.5K should overcome the Bayer sensor of the scanner and give essentially true color per pixel).

This project also includes on the side, 6.5K scans of the following trailers to be paired with their optical audio tracks:
U.S. Star Wars teaser
U.S. Star Wars trailer
U.S. TPM Trailer ‘A’
U.S. TPM Trailer ‘B’
U.S. AOTC Trailer ‘A’
U.S. AOTC Trailer ‘B’

CannonShy said:
Assuming this holds, it should mean that the streaming soundtrack can be downmixed (with the right ffmpeg command) to produce something very very close to the broadcast stereo soundtrack at much higher quality than any actual recording of the original broadcasts we happen to have copies of.

Is often heavily compressed streaming audio actually better quality than VHS HiFi audio recording?

CannonShy said:

• S01E01 had some WB specific intro bits that might be worth preserving - copy available here (is it canon?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvDbvHsqiOc

oh wow I had completely forgotten about the cool intro it had, especially that freaky first part
I hope I got that on tape.

Matt_Stevens said:

Well there are a few, but I don’t know if a way in which you could do it. GOTCHA is an all time favorite that will likely never see a Blu-Ray release. I have it on D-VHS, 1080i 2.0 mono (copy once recorded).

Thankfully that did come out on blu-ray since you posted that.

I’m gonna put out a preservation scan of the 35mm trailer for it.

Is this any better quality than the really poor Mill Creek blu-ray?

I might have a few episodes on VHS. Might be quite a while though as have not yet started my VHS digitizing project and I have tons of tapes and am doing other stuff too.

I’m sure I have a bunch of episodes recorded on VHS. I’m not sure if I would’ve necessarily spooled it up in time to always catch the very start or not. Anyway, if I come across anything useful during my VHS tapes digitizing project I’ll get back to this thread. Could be quite a while. So many tapes and it will take a long time to digitize them. And I’m doing work on 4K02 and other stuff now too.

I probably have the episodes recorded OTA to one of my TV recording HDs somewhere (or maybe burned onto a data DVD). If you still need any of that stuff, tell me and I will keep it in mind as I organize things if I come across them.
I think I got my HDTV recorder for my PC as far back as 2004, I know I have some rare HD footage of the 2004 games. NBC actually ran their HD OTA broadcasts with way less commercials and a lot more coverage than their OTA analog broadcast then, I guess HD was so rare then, they didn’t mind any loss of commercial fees. Anyway so I had to have started recording some HD stuff OTA at least as far back as summer of 2004.

The new 4K02 35mm preservation project is started now (in the other forums) with print in hand and all stuff set to go when ready. So far it has a bit under 50% funding covered to get the scan and storage.

The 4K02 35mm preservation project is started now (in the other forums) with print in hand and all stuff set to go when ready. So far it has a bit under 50% funding covered to get the scan and storage done and covered.

SilverWook said:

70mm reels of Star Wars have popped up on Ebay in the past, so you never know! 😉

wow, really? what price did they go for?
when was the last time one has been seen?