MonkeyLizard10

haha, yeah that scene is from part of the ‘lost cut’ 😉

thanks, maybe i’ll put together some side by sides

hmm looking at those, that reminds me that I’m missing one and now I wonder if the ones above were from my flat trailer and the missing one was from the scope trailer or vice-versa? need to track that down and figure it out

Here are a few frames I scanned in with a Nikon 2000 some years ago from bits of a film trailer, if anyone following this thread watns a look at perhaps vaguely what the full project here might look like (I haven’t ever scanned anything from the full final 35mm theatrical release reel for AOTC, with the different wedding scene, only these few scenes, scanning with a stills scanner is a slow process, from a scope trailer I got. These are the downscaled to 1920 across ones. Have the full size somewhere on my HD.):
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in many ways the digital noise seems more apparent than the film grain, which isn’t quite as strong as maybe some might have thought (one nice thing about Nikon 2000 is that it uses diffuse lighting so it doesn’t overemphasize grain to an unnatural degree to the extent that a non-diffuse lit still scanner would, like when I first did stuff with my older lower model Nikon it made grain galore and the scans showed way more grain than was apparent during actual projection since the harsh light bounced off the grain at bad angles, wet drum scanners should likely also treat grain more naturally as well, but those make my Nikon 2000 look cheap); the resolution is not great, blu-rays are better, but they go all digital, this trailer probably had an added film stage or two and perhaps they also rush out trailers with less care

haha, yeah, and that was all part of the scene that got changed the most 35mm vs others so it seemed especially relevant here

"I got over the damn prequel poisoning, "

whoa, is this stuff all some inside joke or actually for real?
just asking since I have a reel of AOTC (with the changed wedding scene, although it seems like you all know have the complete set and have it all covered) and some other stuff
haven’t heard before about prints being potentially toxic like that (so long as you don’t eat them)
although developer agents and stuff could be, but those don’t have much to do with prints

timdiggerm said:

…then why not just post tomorrow?

well, didn’t realize it was quite so late and one is better than none

here are the rest:
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48763308841_be3d382db4_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48763308901_efdf48385c_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/1894/43971204464_43505b9757_c.jpg

Here are a few frames I scanned in with a Nikon 2000 some years ago from bits of a film trailer, if you want a look (I also have the full final 35mm theatrical release reel for AOTC, with the different wedding scene. But none of that is scanned.):

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48763497967_7a2ba39aaf_o.jpg

actually it’s late, sorry to be a tease hah, put up the rest tomorrow

cool project

I saw this in 35mm as well as on two different digital projectors back in '99, including what might have been the first commercial digital projection of any film in the world.

Contrary to all the net rage, theaters were packed and people generally seemed pretty happy and were NOT all laughing, raging, etc. decent bit of clapping at the end at many showings.

And for AOTC, people were racing out of the earlier showings, smiling, giving thumbs up to people still on line, saying it was awesome, audiences erupted into cheers at the end. Again, contrary to all the hate you hear coming form the net crowd.

90210 DVD set had tons of music butchered and replaced and sometimes scenes altered

In ESB when Han says “Then I’ll see you in hell.” that line used to be “Then I’ll see you in HELLLLL!!!” with the “hell” part really screamed and loud, later on they seemed to mute that down a lot.

Frogpaws said:

So again, what was the motivation? Was Lucas jealous Kershner got so much credit for ESB and he wanted to stick his own contribution into the climax?

Nah, whatever it was, I don’t think it was that. If he was so crazed about credits he would have taken a screenplay credit for ESB. But he instead removed his credit and gave it to just Leigh Brackett (as an honor and tribute, although her screenplay was basically not used at all) and and to as a special thanks for coming aboard at quick notice to help him polish it up a bit. Although it seems, for some reason these days, mayeb all the Lucas haters flooding the internet with seething hate, to be mostly forgotten, Lucas actually wrote the bulk of the basic screenplay for ESB and even good chunks of the key, beloved dialogue was from his own original drafts.

This is most least liked of all the changes, one that I really do totally dislike. This one just totally chopped up the music and flow AND REMOVED the single most viciously delivered line reading EVER by Vader! How can you remove his moth seething line ever? For a weak “bring my shuttle” which narrates something that NOBODY was ever confused about to begin with.

schorman13 said:

Yes, we have the DTS discs. No they do not have the “to be angry…” scene.

I have no knowledge of how the audio was presented/processed in the DLP presentations of that time. They might have used the DTS discs, or possibly some other method.

They just brought in a giant HD with all the video and audio files and the video back then was not lossy compression either, 100% lossless (well, certainly for TPM, maybe it had changed by AOTC, but probably not)

I might have thought the to be angry was there in the DCP, but no good memory to be sure at all, could super easily be totally wrong. I wonder if I have any notes anywhere from back then.

I also got to see the DCP for TPM at two different theaters, each used a different projector type.
One of them was played at one of the original smaller twins that used to pair with one of the mammoth screens that showed Star Wars on opening day in 1977 in 70mm (since split into 8 screens!!! 4 upstairs and 4 down!) that got one of the initial 70mm print runs before the 70mm prints got a bit changed for the later 70mm release. Oh man was that something. Going from having just seen some movies on a tiny mostly mono, maybe weak stereo 35mm mall screens to a giant screen with 70mm and surround sound and that Star Destroy just coming down the screen for ages at the start! Also saw ESB in 70mm there too. Man those were something. (I am among those crazy few who could swear we saw Luke miss his first toss in the Death Star and recall the scene being longer and more suspenseful and the door took longer to prop up in that initial first 70mm showing. If it somehow truly never happened, it is weird how we all came up with that independently. I had that in notes I wrote down as a little kid back in later summer '77, long before I had ever met anyone else, beyond my parents, who had ever seen it in 70mm on opening day. How did any of us come up with that?

One for sure beyond sure thing is the whole “close the blast doors! close the blast doors!” “open the blast doors! open the blast doors!” thing which later got removed and then mangled and not sure any home release has ever had the full length sequence of that as it was originally.)

Possessed said:

1080p blown up to imax size, gee that sounds beautiful.

it looked good though!
saw it at the Boston Aquarium IMAX, I think that is 80’?
They didn’t do it like they do today, back then they pan and scanned them to fill the entire screen or at least most of it, so beyond just cutting and unfortunate amount away time wise they also trimmed away a lot of each frame. That said, it was still quite a cool experience! It really did look pretty good.

I also saw both the 35mm theatrical version as well as the 35mm DCP and yeah, the hand thing was the one big thing I recall sticking out the most of all.

I actually have the full final 35mm reel, the one that contains the changed marriage scene.