Molly

I have at least the mentioned JB and Totoro isos, and a Japanese version of the Aristocats one.

The Totoro one was on Asian DVD Club some time back, a friend uploaded it.

Hey, why not. ~.^

I'm more into the encoding side than the capping side, and it's where I've put most of my own focus.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Cinderella was pretty much destroyed by the time it hit DVD.  The laserdisc isn't awful, it could just be better.

Cinderella - laserdisc box set - from the LDDB related page:

This is a Remastered Edition.

This Box Set contains:

    Digital Tracks contain Restored Stereo Soundtrack
    Analog Track One (Left): Original Mono Tracks
    Analog Track Two (Right): Mono Music and Effects Track (Restored) also known as an M&E
    Second disc contains "The Making of A Masterpiece", 2 sides, CLV/CAV, 45 chapters
    43 page hard bound book" The Storybook and The Making of a Masterpiece"
    Lithograph of Animation Art

Probably "This is a Remastered Edition" is not a good thing as we thought in past times... but with all these extras, a preservation will be interesting!

Restoration destruction is mostly a thing of the DVD era, imo.

Beauty and the Beast - laserdisc - from the LDDB related page:

26 minutes of supplemental material -- an Insiders look at "The Making of Beauty and the Beast".

CAV, letterbox, surround, plus extras...

Beauty and the Beast: Work in progress LD - from the LDDB related page:

Side 4 has 17 minutes of supplemental material including alternate versions of "Be Our Guest," camera test for the Ballroom scene, information on the technollogy used to create this film, Pencil tests, and Theatrical Trailer.

Interior gatefold includes liner notes on the production and stages of animation.

I have both of these and am working on procuring better caps than I am capable of.

 

The Lion King suffered serious reanimation of scenes, possibly worse than BatB ever did.  Someone would need to do a LDrip for that otherwise.

The Lion King - laserdisc box set - from the LDDB related page:

A wonderfully packaged box set loaded with special features: audio commentary, making-of documentary, storyboards, artwork, animation layouts, and much more. Included in the box is a portfolio of six concept art lithographs that are not as exciting as one might hope, but are nice to have nonetheless.

add to that a Dolby Digital soundtrack, and it could be a really interesting project to do.

Got this, and will be procuring a good cap of it too.  Only thing is being LD it's non-anamorphic, and it's cropped slightly to 1.85:1, but better than nothing.

While Aladdin has been poked and prodded in the audio department, I've seen screenshots of the EU Blu-ray and it looks pretty much identical to the old DVD.

I have this one: Aladdin CAV laserdisc

What about an Aladdin Trilogy? Adding Aladdin and the king of thieves and The return of Jafar...

I've got Aladdin CAV too.

At least Aladdin and the King of Thieves could use a preservation, but I think the R2FI is OAR (1.33)?  The R1 is, as I recall, tiltscanned.

I'm trying to think what movie got mauled the worst, though anything I'd want to preserve I can probably acquire - or mostly thanks to drfsupercenter, have - on laserdisc, which is certainly better than nothing...

The ones I think really got the worst of the hatchet are in this order, Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, and Aladdin - and Aladdin mostly in the audio, the video not really getting hit.  But if I had to say just one movie that absolutely needed a resto?  Prolly BatB.

I would've included Saludos Amigos but they got sane and included it as a bonus feature on Walt and El Grupo, so that one has no worse than bumper plastering, which I can live with.

This doesn't seem too bad, for the most recent release as bonus on "Walt and El Grupo" ... it's certainly grainy as heck, uncharacteristic of modern Disney... (this was the one frame I capped mainly because I was LOLing at how much worse the captions were than the laserdisc edition, which actually transcribes Zé's Portuguese.)

Hm, yeah, DBZ and Macross look decent, at least at 720...

>mfw

I thought even 16mm didn't resolve well at 1080.

So you can actually get good results at 480p from a Derann Super 8?

The Ken Super 8s are the only Super 8s, admittedly, that I've seen.  I wonder if there's any clips out there?

Would these Super 8s look all that great, though, to think about it?

The Ken Super 8s of Star Wars and ESB looked a lot worse than *EP VHS*, so thick with grain, and I think Puggo said they were sub-24 fps?

How useful would a Super 8 be compared to a Black Diamond VHS, Beta or LD, really?

Better than nothing.

If we could get 16s and 35s even better, but preserving the 8s would probably be a good help too.

Black Diamond releases were all pre-restoration, except for "Proto-WDMC" Fantasia and Pinocchio, não?  Though the latter has an earlier Black Diamond version as well.  That would suffice for the time being, probably.

Doctor M said:

Edit: Okay, confirmation about Disney rotoscoping out characters, adjusting separately, freezing the background and recompositing.

WTF?!

ETA: If this is what they're doing, that's tantamount to reanimating the film... that's even worse than Lowry destruction. Makes it all the much more important to ensure that un-screwed with editions of all their movies are out there and remain out there, instead of being replaced with...ugh, words fail me.

I kind-of wish we could find 35s of everything.

Until then, hopefully between myself and drf we can scrounge up the best sources on disc.

A friend, not on this forum, suggested CLD-99 instead of X0/X9.

He also really thinks my player is a piece of junk, where I think it's just fine if limited.

A friend is borrowing my player and discs and will try to do better caps, which I'll see what I can do with them.

Usually the CAV and CLV versions of the same edition are the same master, não?

Oddly, I seem to remember a Buena Vista plastered edition of Cinderella, but none of my sources are like that.

It's still likely going to be my approach.

Huh, I thought Disney used speedup...

Original theatrical version.  Equivalent of OUT in Star Wars land.

Only the 1995 has it.

The 1988 version leaves that blank.

The one on top is the 1995 (Masterpiece Collection) version, the main feature of the boxset.

The one on the bottom, the 1988 (Classics) version is inferior, though it has a rare variant of the Classics bumper nicknamed the Metal Diamond.  (I have both the CLV and CAV versions of that edition.)

As far as we know, yes.

Yes.

I have the corresponding CLV disc.

Isn't the CAV Masterpiece Collection version a good version? It is "remastered"...

Well, couple options here, depending if I can somehow dig up a 1995 CAV edition.

But most likely I can't and the 1995 CLV edition I have is still the best source I've got.  In that case, well, a friend's borrowing my laserdisc player and has better vidcap equipment.  But...this LD player is low end, for Pioneer at least.  There's only so much you can drag out of it.

The old version - it may still be on TPB - is very crudely handled, since I didn't really know much about the tools I had at the time.  What it was was a down-encoded rip of the 1995 CLV laser, with IVTC, and using the DVD's "restored mono" audio track.  Probably the same thing I'd do now, but with better tools.

If anyone needs tools for making subtitles "Aegisub" is a cross-platform solution.

I'm a fansubber, I use this program all the time.  I think a friend of mine uses it on a Mac and we've both run it on Linux, though I currently use Windows.