Mocata

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Off topic but I hate that RT hides the actual median score (currently only 6.7 out of 10)

Reviews of part 1 and 2 are in (which always seems counterproductive but we here are) so here are a few samples…

https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-star-wars-skeleton-crew-reviews-are-in/

“What stands out most when watching the series is that it feels so very influenced; it’s not just a “Star Wars” series, it’s “Star Wars” plus something. It’s gimmicky and not just a little cookie-cutter in its expansion of the sci-fi franchise, which gets diluted the more shows Disney+ cranks out.” – Kelly Lawler, USA Today

“Star Wars: Skeleton Crew gets off to a depressingly familiar start, while bungling the introduction of its primary protagonists and generally plodding along until Jude Law pops up.” – Ben Travers, Indiewire

“That’s all that ‘Skeleton Crew’ offers: appropriation for a halcyon era of cinema and little else. Worse, the exceptional Spielberg-ian tenor of marvel and amazement is absent, leaving behind a mostly hollow, fairly unremarkable, forgettable product.” – Rodrigo Perez, The Playlist

He probably did as he was told; rehashing is a safe bet after all. What he should have done was worked on the third movie to stop it turning to mush. There’s not much point coming back now and trying to do anything post-TROS.

You know… I forgot Rebel Moon existed.

Originality isn’t everything. After all, the big release of 1999 was going to be SW… but The Matrix happened.
These days I suppose Guardians of the Galaxy succeeded in being a cohesive trilogy (plus a few odds and ends) even if the Marvel tone isn’t for everyone.
As for Villeneuve… his best films are the ones before he started doing legacy sequels and reboots of older IPs.

Dune could have been the new Star Wars though. Instead it lacks the kind of charismatic performances and tragic romance that could have pushed things beyond a dry psuedo-retelling of the books. How can he direct Dune Part Three when so much of the weird and wonderful was missing? It’s really only a warm-up or a pre-amble for the third book (and therefore fourth movie). Maybe he needs to examine why he loved The Empire Strikes Back and try again…

Then again with Dune all you have is Arrakis and the Spice. Its a great novel but its also very old.

Very old and yet still relevant. Wars over resources, religious wars, wars started by corrupt autocrats, these things exist still. Again this Dune new film series could have been the new SW, but such a thing doesn’t currently exist. The biggest flashiest sci-fi epics are either too shallow (Avatar) or too dumb (TROS) with nothing that captures the imagination in a new way.

I think a handful of eruption shots are probably minor compared to the huge amount of liquid lava, floating droids, and collapsing machines in that sequence. Although to be fair some miniatures were also built for real.

I don’t miss it because I haven’t watched that panpipe version in many years.

It’s a 35mm trailer. R for Re-release, 77 for 1977 etc. You can find info about the NSS online.

lol

Not sure the best place to post this, as it’s about fan edits and mentions this forum:

https://youtu.be/WSLBmq4kjN4

Yeah well any deleted scenes would be good, but I feel like any trouble in production is always hidden forever by Disney.

It could just be the traditional stoic character type though. Emotions, particularly in male heroes, are expected to be kept inside. ‘True heroes shed blood not tears,’ etc.

Anchorhead said:

Mocata said:

At this stage I assume nothing is fine until production actually starts.

Even then, not a given. Solo was a mess well into production and ended up released as a mess.

But they actually released a film.

Yep, just scroll down the forum index. Something like TROS Ascendant is worth a look.

Very true, although he doesn’t show remorse at all after they leave the farm. He also seems only briefly upset about Obi-wan. Possibly just straightforward characterization, possibly just how the hero is written in this genre. Even Leia just says ‘we have no time for our sorrows’ before the final battle and moves on. Then again perhaps this is better than these days when every lead has to be full of trauma and regret.

The original Palpatine dialogue is better written too.

That’s just a fact.

Well, yeah.

At this stage I assume nothing is fine until production actually starts.

You’re never going to believe this! /s

https://www.darkhorizons.com/new-jedi-order-film-loses-knight/

“Peaky Blinders” creator Steven Knight is reportedly no longer writing the upcoming “Star Wars” film, previously nicknamed “New Jedi Order,” that will see the return of Daisy Ridley’s Rey. Puck News broke the story and indicates that as a result of this, the film will likely not achieve its previously rumored December 2026 release date.

Oh god that is a weird comparison but also kinda true…

Jedi Rocks being better but Yub Nub getting cut was always hilariously tone deaf. Like now is the time for a ‘mature’ change, really?

NFBisms said:

For Lucas, it’s just valent to his prequels (and the context of the 70s) that his Empire is America. It’s a reflection of Star Wars’ contemporaneous moment. One of the most ‘revolutionary’ times in pop art and music.

Oh sure, it’s clear from characters that say things like ‘I’m not in this for your revolution sister,’ that certain contemporary ideas are being pulled in. Or at least ones from the previous decade. I just feel like because of the prequels having to be part of his ‘original vision’ these elements like the ‘war on terror’ have to align with earlier social issues. So of course he will say it was always about Vietnam. It was always six movies, and so on. I just don’t really see the broad strokes in the OT at all. So I guess we can agree to disagree.

Servii said:

There’s a difference between drawing visual and thematic inspiration from Vietnam, and doing a full-on allegory about the Vietnam war. And if Star Wars really was meant to be a Vietnam allegory, then it’s a really bad one for several reasons.

George has always been one to speak bluntly. He’s not gonna beat around the bush and say something like “I drew on the visuals and themes of Vietnam to enhance my story.” He’ll just say “It’s about Vietnam. Palpatine is Nixon.” Because he speaks bluntly. That doesn’t make it a full allegory, necessarily.

While I appreciate the note about Cosmonaut orange there are few real references to things in the Cold War (you’d have to ignore that Yuri Gagarin fought the Nazis not the USA). The Imperial troops aren’t wearing tiger-stripe green and being entrenched in guerilla warfare. The WW2 stuff just overrides almost everything else. They’re not in an arms race, they trying to stop one big new weapon like the 1940s. They’re not a down and dirty faction using any basic tools they can, they’re equipped with fighters that in many cases are better than the big bad have, like in the 1940s.

Admittedly the like of Rogue One and Andor muddy the waters but the point stands. “Palpatine is Nixon” falls apart because there’s no opposing leaders to fit that analogue. Are the leaders from Yavin the Chinese? Are the Mon Calamari the USSR? Even if he did say “I drew on the visuals and themes of Vietnam to enhance my story,” then it falls down. Which is very funny when you think that James Cameron is the one that has made multiple films built in incredibly blunt 'Nam references.