God I hate the Romeo and Juliet angle, he didn’t even get it right! It would make way more sense for the wealthy Amidala’s to look down on the poor former slave, and have drama as a result. Jedi teachings suddenly being monastic is just too weird and creeps into too many other aspects of the story.
That would make sense but Disney probably don’t want to splinter the material and suggest only one part of it is the “real” one and therefore the one to buy into. Which of course is what we have anyway now with the trilogies existing in detached bubbles. George didn’t take enough care and neither did the current studio suits. Other books and comics by their nature will never be taken as part of the proper series whatever they do, that’s just how extra material is viewed in any franchise.
and we’re back, love it when things are just lucky
Excuse me?
The problems they have at LFL now are probably the same ones they used to have. It’s all so insular and self contained so nobody speaks up. In late 1990s George did all this garbage and everyone was too afraid to tell him. And anyway, it’s probably okay because it’s Star Wars and it can’t fail. In the Disney era they’re all busy patting each other on the back for their efforts, and even it they know it’s bad that’s okay because Star Wars can’t fail. Andor probably succeeded by pure luck because after Mando they threw a net out and picked five or six shows with different genre ideas, and somehow one was good.
Skeleton Crew is the latest example. It looks kinda weird and mediocre and it’s been made by two guys coasting along thanks to IP success. But I feel like maybe this is the end of things as they have been; I can’t see audiences caring as much now. I can see people getting fired but maybe that’s what is necessary. The current era needs to end and is unlikely to be sustainable.
I feel like there are some other threads around that had information on this. Though perhaps it was through comics depicting war against Mandalore or ancient Sith or whatever. Unless by “supposed to” do you mean old George ideas?
You should fix that and watch a fanedit.
There’s this very famous press conference Anthony Mackie gave at the London Film and Comic Con in October 2017 where he said “They make movies for specific audiences as opposed to just making good movies”.
I think we can adapt this to the current state of Star Wars and say they tell stories for specific audiences as opposed to just telling good stories.
Movies should be made because someone had a good idea or a good story, not to please some imagined demographic. That’s how you get TROS.
Star Wars: Bounty Hunter remastered is now out, though I’m not sure if it’s worth the current price. Previously the old PS2 version was just ported to PS4 so better controls and resolution might be good. Only thing is I don’t remember it being that great in the first place when it released.
Meanwhile Star Wars: Jedi - Survivor is coming to last gen consoles. Will this even be playable considering complaints about performance on current hardware? Fallen Order had issues that were never fixed so I’m unclear what they’re doing with this one (besides trying to boost sales).
Key example: Solo.
The movie was perfectly fine. Did it set the world on fire? No. Were there other key issues that also effected it’s performance? Absolutely. But don’t set up an ongoing story and then abandon it because “shit happens”. Learn the right lessons and fix the errors. Make the next one a banger. Ensure the next in the Solo series is unmissable.
Solo was deeply average but nothing to get irate about. The problem is that within the movie are tell-tale signs of people not understanding what works and what doesn’t; i.e. the infamous Solo name scene, awkward retcons and humour, the dumb fanservice ending. There are other aspects which mean it fails more than it succeeds, however it’s hardly the worst project around. I’d say the hit and miss rate was fifty-fifty overall.
The serious issue seems to be that as time has gone by anyone with half a brain has left or been pushed aside so now it’s ninety percent stuff that doesn’t work. Either as a result of writers and showrunners failing upwards or some other factor. Outside Andor most characters seem to be written as idiots and things like pacing and suspense no longer exist. It’s like they’re making this latest stuff with their eyes closed and have no powers of judgment.
As I recently saw Funko toys (from the Obi-wan series) gathering dust in a local store I’m inclined to agree. However, I still think that a classic space opera style tone should be the priority. It can be gritty without being miserable, and fun without being juvenile. You know… like Star Wars.
I am curious if there will ever come a point where the entire franchise gets a reboot. I couldn’t imagine such a thing a decade ago, but now…?
Is Star Wars still considered “too big” to do this? Too successful? Or is it a case of waiting for Lucas to die before such an idea could be entertained, morbid as that thought is?
It doesn’t need a reboot; the universe they have is big enough. They just have to focus on good stories and good characterisation. Time, place, tone, etc. can be anything. Problem is existing characters, Jedi vs Blah, and Galactic Civil War stuff keeps being the focus.
I only came to this realization after not really feeling the subsequent releases (Mando, Ahsoka, Acolyte), but also not really feeling any kind of desire to “fix” them like I would. I wasn’t even disappointed. They just weren’t for me.
I wish I could say the same, but when the mistakes are so rudimentary I constantly feel like they should and could be fixed… in pre or post-production. Like anyone with half a brain see what’s wrong when the blunders are so obvious and these things could be solved so that all the shows are good but they never are. They can be good and still not for everyone, instead of just being a mess.
If fans can re-work these flabby eight part shows into a movie then they could too. It’s not the money for writers it’s the lack of direction, the lack of discipline. Bizarre choices and crappy film making in the Obi-wan show for example was edited down and corrected by fans for no pay. So if anything they need to spend less and make good storytellers work with that restriction.
Unfortunately they seem to have a myopic view and can’t see the real problems they’ve got or why these projects are so bad lately. Or they refuse to admit it’s bad. Or they don’t care. They certainly don’t seem to realise when something is working (Mando S1 and Andor) and when something isn’t. How can you fix such a lack of clearly defined quality control or even a lack of common sense? It seems pretty deeply ingrained now.
It’s the only thing I can remember using sound effects, curious if anyone else has a suggestion.
Channel72 said:
As for what I’d like to see: basically just Andor Season 2. After that I don’t care what happens.
Yeah basically this unless by some miracle the trajectory of their over-arching plan changes dramatically.
Do you mean the Meco version?
I understand the dislike for some recent productions, but what is “weird garbage” to you is someone else’s introduction to Star Wars and their absolute favorite storyline. I am hoping this thread can be somewhere that folks can analyze the Star Wars fandom itself and speculate specific ways to ensure better financial and critical success. Any particular storyline you’d like to see represented in theaters? What would you do if you were in charge of selecting the next movie to produce?
Well I can’t be held accountable for people that like the Disney products that represent how low quality standards have become. The nadir being things like Lizzo’s Mandalorian episode or that one about how Dr Pershing and the New Republic are total idiots. It feels like it’s written by idiots too, so the audience will get no quarter from me. I can only hope they are children and develop one day.
As for what I want, I already said anything goes. A fully fledged Western about outlaws or a TIE Fighter Academy movie would be my top picks. They could do a clever heist movie (instead of the version in Solo or Rogue One) or they could do a samurai epic set in medieval times. People must be tired of magic blood and destiny and whatever by now so I would start by losing that stuff. Get people that know how to write, slash budgets by half or more, do some real movies. If TV has to be a thing then look at Mando S1 and stop screwing around with a dozen references and cameos.
Yeah she has an Imperial Senate accent, it works well.
After Ahsoka I’ve stuck to my guns and waited for it to be finished to assess whether it’s worth my time, but in this case I can’t see anything of real value. Looks like they squandered their first real foray into a new time period just like they wasted the whole “new galaxy” thing. Beyond Andor S2 I can’t imagine this downward spiral ending any time soon.
They should stop making weird garbage. Any time period, any genre, just stop with the bad scripts and low quality productions. Ideally in a movie format. But they couldn’t even get Obi-wan and Boba Fett right, and those were basically impossible targets to miss. Maybe their current infrastructure will collapse and it can be started over, but it’s hard to imagine.
It looks a bit like the town from season 3, but it’s all pretty non-descript. Incredibly small chance of spoiler:
https://twitter.com/MakingStarWars/status/1811257349149176207/photo/1
Rey Skywalker is insane because it implies anyone can just be that, and yet no-surname no-family FINN doesn’t get closure. Also the movie itself might be watchable as pure spectacle if the visuals at Exogol weren’t wholly nausea inducing. I can only take so much, and basically everything after Kijimi falls apart from a story and action standpoint. Meanwhile the prequels barely work from page one so…
I’d forgotten James Mangold was supposedly working on that. I could be good but then it could be like Indiana Jones.
Those two suggestions are both things I would avoid at all costs if possible. At this stage it’s unclear if any of these movies will actually happen though, so any real release dates will probably change.
Bizarrely, unless I’m remembering wrong, the previous movie (Last Jedi) even set things up so that Rey would need a new lightsaber in Episode 9. Isn’t there a scene in Episode 8 where her lightsaber is ripped apart? You’d think that would nicely segue into a new, personalized lightsaber for Rey in Episode 9. But I guess not.
Concept art showed it being rebuilt as a dual-bladed staff, which would make far more sense.