Mocata

Why is this same kind of article still being published?

It was better as a random idea Darth Vader had since he was on Cloud City. They didn’t even know if it would kill Han or not. Now even the coffee table he was frozen is the same. Like everything in these spin-offs it feels grey and muted but most of all fan servicey and boring instead of creative. I’d like to get excited seeing IG-88 but I can’t after Rogue One and Solo, because this is just more of that.

Swazzy said:

The D23 timeline uses the theatrical logos, if that means anything:

With “A New Hope” being tacked on the classic logo, no.

There was a single shot of ESB. Someone more eagle-eye will have to say that it’s the same Blu-ray version again.

https://youtu.be/frx3bJonfQ4?t=101

DrDre said:
They cooked up this idea, that the New Republic didn’t want to directly confront the FO, which seems reasonable enough, but it wasn’t really in the film. There was no face for the cowardice, and arrogance of the NR, and so the seemingly ineffectual NR was wiped out of existence before having an identity of its own. I think rather than have this sort of weak side plot, that ended in the destruction of SKB, the focus should have been put more on the growing tensions between Leia, and her supporters, and the leadership of the NR, repositioning her as the true leader on the good side, after having been demonized as the daughter of Darth Vader, and then have the movie end with the shocking destruction of the central system, validating Leia’s point of view. It also would have fiven Leia more of an arc. The scenes on SKB could still play out in the same way with Han’s death, and the duel, but the moment of Han’s death would coincide with the death of the NR. I guess it would be a bleak ending, but it would have raised the stakes, while the movie still ends with Rey finding Luke, as a hint of hope for the future.

That’s a fair assessment. I would have also changed the form of the SKB. Maybe have it be a conduit for energy that travels through hyperspace after which the beam could then emerge some vast distance away from a specialized capital ship. Instead of just another evil globe with no obvious new threat beyond having more laser power.

Rodney-2187 said:

Still, it’s all Star Wars. It just seems people talk about the Original Trilogy as some sort of sacred era of perfection before Disney came along and made all of this other stuff they don’t like. It’s as if they have deleted the Holiday Special, two Ewok movies, Ewok animated series, and Droids animated series all from their memories. Star Wars has always been about more than just the main saga movies, and The Last Jedi isn’t the first piece of Star Wars that some people haven’t liked.

Remember that time Attack of the Clones was derided by fans and then the next movie was a box office flop? Oh wait that never happened since casual viewers aren’t ever that discerning.

LexX said:

Mocata said:

Zuckuss is the alien not the droid.

Exactly, and it looks more like Zuckuss than 4-LOM.

Wait… you know I think this is a case of my mind seeing what it expected (in a droid trash heap) but on closer inspection it doesn’t look exactly like either of them?

Zuckuss is the alien not the droid. But I think that mix-up comes from an old Kenner toy line mistake which a lot of people remember.

Celebration mural broken up into separate images

https://www.deviantart.com/spirit--of-adventure/art/The-Force-Awakens-Mural-Wallpaper-809773409

I always noticed IG-88 apparently dead in the Cloud City scrap heap, but re-watching this week I saw that 4-LOM is also in there.

It’s not like they had any new art lying around…oh…

Too much to post here https://www.artstation.com/alpha-step

I’m thinking of the music that plays while Luke is lost in the snow, and while the film cuts to the Echo Base and a new piece comes in, the score alone carries on. I just always remember it because they used it in the Shadows of the Empire game soundtrack.

I’d have thought that the music written was always more than they need, the way there’s extra music for Hoth or parts of Leia’s theme.

In the Art of Drew Struzan he talks about the realization that this type of work is basically dead, when he was asked to work on Hellboy because Del Toro wanted him… but the studio didn’t want something that “looked like a movie they’d seen before”. Creative types want it but bean counters don’t.

So not only is Spaceballs on Blu-ray while the OOT isn’t… but now it has better artwork than SW too.

Well I didn’t a box office disappointment that “only” makes 700mil, meant a real box office bomb which, like Solo, completely fails to break even. Not every Disney project is a billion dollar release and some are only average success stories. But that being said I wouldn’t be surprised if they reached it here. The online climate is hard to discern, and how far it reaches into the real world of casual viewers is impossible to measure.

It’s an event movie, it’s a holiday release, I don’t see them struggling. Nothing’s impossible but I see the failure of Solo as something caused by timing and marketing rather than SW as a brand.

Oh I forgot about Willow. They keep bringing that but I just can’t see a sequel ever happening.

Oh he got banned, I did start to wonder.

So anyway back on topic, does Lucasfilm own other properties like this adaptation? I’m unclear on their role outside of George’s old staples. What can they go beyond? Will they remake The Land Before Time in horrifying CGI fashion as is the current trend? Will they team up with their now sibling company Marvel Studios and remake Howard the Duck with James Gunn at the helm? Hm…

ATMachine said:

I think it’s so far outside of any studio graphic designer’s experience these days that it isn’t even given a thought.

I think it’s more than they won’t hire someone who does have the experience. Or even re-use the classic artwork but with a new metallic finish. That would look old and bad, they gotta have photoshop floatiness and airbrushed faces.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Lol. Just use poster art ffs.

Do you think someone paid a graphic designer for this? I would have thought the poster art would be more shrewd, but then I guess traditional art is not considered viable by any studio now.

StarkillerAG said:

I think you’re missing the point here. Yes, the prequels are bad, and part of the reason why is because George surrounded himself with yes men. But that doesn’t say anything about George’s editing talents. The prequels are actually decently edited: the problem is with the script and acting, not the editing. Also, George edited Jurassic Park, and I don’t see anyone complaining about the bad editing in that movie.

You’re confusing editing for time and pacing with editing for awkward embarrassing content. I think we did this discussion already somewhere. And I think your glossing over the point to raise up the guy as a talent beyond the seeds and the ideas of the story. As for the rest of this thread which has devolved into random tangents about Stanley Kubrick and people taking things personally, I have no idea where to begin. This is OT.com after all, a place where people know the sole genius legend is a lie.

StarkillerAG said:

Mocata said:

By saved in editing I mean exactly that, it’s no longer an ambiguous idea since now we’ve all seen what a slog the original structure would have been and how bad the deleted scenes are.

Yes, the original edit of Star Wars was bad, but the original edits of most movies are bad, too. That’s why editing exists. Star Wars wasn’t “saved by the edit” more than any other movie.

Yeah but what I’m saying is that we know what it looks like when George has 100% control, without these award winning editors, and it’s the PT. Those films were edited. But he needs those other more creative people to save it from his “vision” which is usually awful when dozens of yes-men are involved.