Mocata

joefavs said:

Solo will have an original theme by John Williams.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/john-williams-star-wars-composer-han-solo-movie-theme-1202650282/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Well… good for John.

Handman said:

lovelikewinter said:

Does the Darth Sidous reference annoy anyone else? I wonder if there is a take with Mark Hamill saying “The Emperor” instead.

It annoys me too.

Yes. After all we know Darth is a first name not a dumb title.

DrDre said:
Either way none of the films suggested balance of the Force implies dark and light balancing each other, and dark rising to balance light or vicd versa. In any case this interpretation has been debunked by Lucas himself.

To be fair this is inconsistent in the prequels like everything else. Lucas is hardly creating a fully developed canon ahead of time for later film makers to reference. In TPM they say the Sith were extinct, and the boy could just be “the one”. Then in (I think ROTS) this changes suddenly when Obi-wan says Anakin was destined to create balance by “destroying the Sith”. Who were extinct.

Right, I tried to find the exact time but it wasn’t clear on the other discussion I came across. Anyway, so there’s obviously a couple of night and day changes on the island… unless some of that is actually in the past before the FO regrouped and arrived to destroy the base. Maybe I’m overthinking it.

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/jessecans/status/946652318665121792

DrDre said:
I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.

I’m sorry too.

The original 2D Clone Wars animation is the only thing worthwhile in the whole prequel era.

DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.

By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.

Rey is a Mary Sue only if you consider that she does everything without any kind of training. So to believe this you have to actively ignore that all her knowledge about technology and ships comes from years living in Scrap World where it’s all there is to learn about. Then you have to also ignore that all her Force knowledge comes from things she’s heard (you can lift rocks) or witnesses (thanks to Kylo Ren). Then you also have to ignore that she “beat” him even though (A) he thinks a lightsaber is something to break TV screens with and (B) he was bleeding out/not trying to win.

The actual “awakening” is a bit iffy but I like the Yin-Yang idea. Then she goes and hands Kylo the First Order leadership on a plate because of her own naive beliefs which is a massively stupid thing to do, but she heard somewhere that people can be “turned” good. I kinda like Rey.

AveKender said:

You know now that I think of it, the time dilation thing is cooler and makes more sense than Han storing months worth of Pop-Tarts in the trunk of the Falcon. :p

Speak for yourself

While time dilation is a real thing I don’t think it happens here, plus it doesn’t really fit with SW. In Empire I assumed the journey took much longer since the Falcon had to travel slowly, then Luke jumped into light speed and arrived a lot faster at Bespin. It also means Leia and Han had more time to grow on each other. At a guess… a month. Unless we believe that each piece of training is one day.

In TLJ I’m sure that 3 tests = 3 days = same 72 hours of fuel that the Resistance flagship had. I can’t be certain.

ROTS… 9 weeks? Who really cares.

dahmage said:

so there are at least some people who just struggle taking in new films

Or any films.

Gaffer Tape said:

Wow. I never would have guessed we’d be debating whether or not Luke choked the guards. It always seemed completely obvious to me that he was choking them. Funny how that works.

Honestly, Luke’s motivations seem extremely plausible by comparison.

Yes and yes.

dahmage said:

Oh my goodness, this thread is giving me such a headache right now.

Also yes.

joefavs said:

This is the first time in my 28 years that it’s even occurred to me that Luke could’ve been doing anything other than choking the guards. I had no idea there was any disagreement at all about that.

Ditto. We’re way off topic but it’s not vague at all. I hate to cite the novelisation, but just as a quick check it says they were ‘choking and gasping’. It’s not even cryptic since when talks to Bib Fortuna, Jabba calls him a weak minded fool as a direct reference to Luke and Ben arriving at Mos Eisley and using his powers of persuasion. It’s very well defined.

Mrebo said:

“That’s not what the truck looks like” is what’s wrong with how some view Star Wars. The Force can be used to influence minds. That’s the “trick.”

I don’t know what you’re saying. Luke does two things when he enters the palace, he raises his hand and chokes two guys with blatant visual and audio clues - exactly like Vader. Then he goes inside and tries to ‘trick’ Jabba with spoken words - just like Kenobi. Both are distinctive, and they are shown just as they were in the previous two movies. How are you getting the old ‘you don’t need to see his identification’ gag mixed up I don’t know, especially when he does it in the same scene. You think he did the same thing twice?

AveKender said:
In my version of Alien 3, Ripley would have birthed the xenomorph about a third of the way through the film and the Alien would turn out to be a benevolent protector of Newt and Hicks.

Well that’s probably the only idea that would have been worse than what we got.

There have been a lot of weird posts in the past 2 weeks but this one takes the biscuit.

adywan said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mocata said:

Warbler said:

I don’t recall Luke choking anyone in ROTJ

I thought he was using a Jedi mind trick there.

I agree with Warb. We know what it looks like if someone is choking and that wasn’t what happened in that scene. I have always read the scene as Luke convincing the GGs to go back to their posts and sleep, their hands on their chests in a restrained or passive position.

Really? Even with the guards grabbing their throats and making choking noises? He was obviously force choking.

Especially considering that’s not what the mind trick looks like and the fact the whole movie is building up to will-he-won’t-he with the final denial of the dark side at the end. No idea why someone would think otherwise. But then I’ve no idea how some people process any kind of movie information these days.

Warbler said:

I don’t recall Luke choking anyone in ROTJ

joefavs said:

I don’t think that’s a bad thing.

Don’t you remember how Obi-wan died but somehow the saber didn’t even touch him and even Vader looked confused, and this weird mystical occurrence ruined the whole movie.

Hahaha the whole Mace Windu thing and the way they all act is comedy gold. Like a bunch of drunks. “We must move quickly!” - walks as casually as possible.

Are those last two Lego kits?

Kaz Oomori

SilverWook said:

I think you’re misconstruing my attempts to inject some much needed levity into this thread.

However…
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luuke_Skywalker

Being glib is wasted on some people

TV’s Frink said:

Mocata said:

TV’s Frink said:
I’m sorry, I just don’t see how this isn’t another one of those cases where the new movies are held to a completely different standard than the old movies.

Woaah what are you talking about there Frink. In the OT women weren’t military leaders, the Force powers didn’t change with each movie, actors never wanted their characters to go in a different direction than what they got, and more diversity wasn’t added in the 2nd part. It’s clearly totally different and ruins everything.

Is this too sarcastic or not enough? I can’t tell with some of the posts going on here lately.

I think you just broke my brain.

So more sarcasm, got it.

TV’s Frink said:
I’m sorry, I just don’t see how this isn’t another one of those cases where the new movies are held to a completely different standard than the old movies.

Woaah what are you talking about there Frink. In the OT women weren’t military leaders, the Force powers didn’t change with each movie, actors never wanted their characters to go in a different direction than what they got, and more diversity wasn’t added in the 2nd part. It’s clearly totally different and ruins everything.

Is this too sarcastic or not enough? I can’t tell with some of the posts going on here lately.

Mithrandir said:
the movie is to me in most of its layers an attack on the male gender role. Don’t relate to what happens outside of you, don’t seize the outer world. Look inside your womb, balance inside you, etc.

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