Mocata

And their boots?

It doesn’t have to go down in flames or anything. It could be crashed beyond repair. Then Lando can arrive and say ‘what did you do to my ship?’. Lando and Wedge need to be like hanging out with Pruneface and Crix Madine as the fighters who come out of retirement after Leia’s distress call to take down uh… The Peace… Globe.

Lobot can come too.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

I’m not saying that the Jedi are evil. Their teachings, however, seem to create as many problems as they solve which is why I’m hopeful that in Episode 9 Rey grows beyond their rules and begins a far better practice.

I agree, and I think the film suggests that will be the case.

Believing in the Force =/= believing blindly in a bunch of doctrines.

Yoda, Obi-wan and Luke die in a relatively peaceful way or at least that’s my take. They might not be choosing it but it has some purpose and not just being cut down or massacred by stormtroopers… but it’s ‘welp I guess this is it, but y’know that’s fine’ (Yoda is debatable but it could just be bad ROTJ writing to get him appear at the end celebration). His random announcement in the last few scenes of the prequels pushes sloppy writing to its limit and is one of the worst things ever.

Did anyone have all the Star Wars SE Tazos?

http://spakatak.com/tazos/set.php?id=527

In theory every ship in Star Wars can be autopiloted saving millions of lives. In theory every trooper can be a robot. What a nightmare fuel prequel movie that would be.

DominicCobb said:

I said “critic scores,” not audience scores. I’d imagine the audience score on Metacritic is equally abysmal for the same pathetic reasons.

I meant in reply to your “most people” comment

If the jedi (and throught the time there were a lot of jedi more powerful than Luke) could project a solid self to anywhere in the galaxy they could enter enemy ships ore bases and sabotage it or so. Many things in the war would be handled differently.

Not if it costs them their lives. It’s not clear if the energy it took did it, or whether the blows he took in the fight did “real” damage somehow, but I don’t think it’s something that they could do on a whim.

Just go to the movies and see one, jeez

Metacritic critic scores are more accurate, though most people don’t even know that site exists.

Well I don’t know about that, but I think that anyone who knows what review-bombing means will go to every outlet. I don’t know where some people on both sides of this debate get the energy.

Critical responses on RT take mediocre and above and translate them all into “fresh”. User reviews clearly count for nothing despite them publicly saying that there was no evidence of interference (how they would ever catch anyone is unclear).

SilverWook said:

I thought it was one of the elusive escape pods mentioned in the first film.

I was always confused about how there is more than one on board… where exactly? Books over the years have never been consistent. I can’t picture what the interior of the Falcon was like in that TLJ scene.

dwsiddall said:
Luke was drinking “hot chocolate”. I put the book down and never picked it up again. No. This is a different universe. They don’t have chocolate. Even if they had something that was exactly like chocolate, they wouldn’t call it chocolate. Any earth references completely ruin the story.

But what if it was blue chocolate?

It’s honestly hard to recapture the old feelings I have towards things like KOTOR, Dark Forces 2 and the TIE Fighter series. It’s been so long and unlike movies I can dip into any time they don’t age the same way. It’s that kind of stuff which fits the bill in my memory, but I haven’t touched it all for years.

SilverWook said:

ravenna said:

One of the issues I have with the new movies is the constant over-explanation of everything. Star Wars has never been subtle, but did we really need to see people with monocles and tuxedos on understand that these were rich people?

TLJ was a movie-equivalent of a Thomas Kinkade painting.

It’s an exclusive casino. What are they supposed to wear? Even Vegas has places they won’t let you in without a suit.

You never see anybody in street clothes in a casino in a 007 movie. 😉

Space Nazis wear overtly fascistic garb but space oil tycoons have to be subtle? Hm.

As for the gags sure it felt more TFA than 1977… but I always found the original to be the funniest one.

More island stuff, less Canto Bight and space chase would have been fine.

ChainsawAsh said:

So, uh, is this the good thread now? I think the other one just increased my risk of ocular cancer by about 200%.

XD!

What a shitshow of a thread. What happened here?

Meanwhile this laughing stock is going on too. About a Star Wars movie.

We stuck by you when you did things that hurt us before, so we ask you now, please don’t let this film stand. Don’t do this to us.
https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon

Jeez.

Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.

I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.

I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.

Well the Force was doing that, not her magic space dad

It’s in line with what I seem to remember Gary Kurtz saying at one point, possibly in discussion with one of the other producters or writers (and I’m paraphrasing from memory) something like ‘everyone has the Force but only the Jedi train to use it, like martial arts masters’.

Phasma seems to exist to fulfil the director’s love for other movies - Phantasm with JJ and RoboCop with Rian (while selling toys). I feel bad for Gwendoline have to speak nonsense about the character at press junkets.

Just a thought but what is the Rottentomatoes user base like in size? IMDB seems far more favourable to it. Not that aggregates or points scoring matters of course.

You know the more I think about the end the more I like. I thought they’d have some stupid videogame type scene where Luke smashes the walkers or shoots back their energy. Instead it was more personal and supernatural.

I could be wrong, but while TFA had say three new themes, the only memorable music in TLJ was TIE Fighter Attack from Star Wars… Listening to it now but so far it’s just the old stuff.

Roughly same critical reception, markedly lower audience reception.

Yeah I don’t get the big audience / critical reception difference.