Mocata

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I don’t get it.

Did they cut out the ships and change the background image?

In an interview with Empire when the new version of THX-1138 came out he said “it’s like Star Wars there is no original version”. What a scumbag.

Valheru_84 said:
I haven’t seen the video linked in this thread

Yeah I can tell.

My point was not saying these elements are “bad” but it was in counter to his idea that (and I paraphrase) that characters that are written properly act in a logical way, and not in way that betrays how the writer wants or feels they “should” act. To which my reply was to say that clearly Ripley changed from one movie to the next in a way that shows how Cameron likes to write female leads. Authorial intent is very apparent. So I’m not saying Aliens or the character is “bad”, but rather that if we wanted make his argument look flimsy it’s very easy to do. Which, as I’ve already said would be silly since I love Aliens.

Voss Caltrez said:

Mocata said:

I love that he goes on about Aliens so much (a movie I love) but then misses how laboured and on the nose the motherhood themes are after Ripley was just a straight edge pro in the original that was written without gender. If you wanted to be really silly about this it would be just as easy to suggest that like Terminator 2 James Cameron can’t help making his leads into simple child bearing stereotypes who must overcome very basic fears to become mothers/heroes.

Good point.
Also, the character of Ripley could also be accused of “pushing an agenda” since the lone voice of reason is a woman, arguing against a majority of stupid men.

Yes, also to further the subtext that she is the mother and they are children.

I love that he goes on about Aliens so much (a movie I love) but then misses how laboured and on the nose the motherhood themes are after Ripley was just a straight edge pro in the original that was written without gender. If you wanted to be really silly about this it would be just as easy to suggest that like Terminator 2 James Cameron can’t help making his leads into simple child bearing stereotypes who must overcome very basic fears to become mothers/heroes.

This is a fair point.

Noriyoshi Ohrai or bust

Oh I dunno it’s up against Hausu and Sorcerer. Maybe Suspiria too…

Really? SW isn’t even my favourite film of 1977. The rest of the decade is a goldmine.

pure acting skill

I never really put any though to it when basically everyone in the briefing vanishes except for Gold Leader.

screams in the void said:

^ I still disagree

Well it’s more weird of they’re the same actor on camera out of continuity. Or the same character with a different actor. Or when I notice a gaffe 35 years after it was released and probably watched more than once a year…

Jeez what a mess. Imagine being the EU writer trying to cover over all the cracks.

joefavs said:

I rewatched about half of the films since the last time I posted in this thread and I think I’ve arrived at my definitive ranking until IX comes out.

1. Star Wars
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. The Last Jedi
4. The Force Awakens
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Solo
7. Rogue One
8. The Phantom Menace
9. Attack of the Clones
10. Revenge of the Sith

The PT is still kind of a toss-up, but the middle part of the list seems to have stabilized for me.

That looks about right. I may have shifted the top 5 around a little but only 3-5.

SilverWook said:

Mocata said:

Important question…

In ROTJ does Grey Leader die then re-appear during the finale?

But are we talking OT or SE version?

Now now…

Okay so I’m pretty hung over and we watched ROTJ and 2am in a haze of booze. This is my life. But! What I mean is that he dies when like when a bunch of them are killed, and then after some more throne room antics they cut back to the pilots heading for the superstructure - I’m sure he’s alive again for a second. Then Wedge says “good shot Red 2” but it’s a Y-Wing?

Important question…

In ROTJ does Grey Leader die then re-appear during the finale?

It’s randomly added to the map of Tatooine in The Complete Locations for some reason. There’s a bunch of lines added to show their journey, and in between the Sandcrawler and Mos Eisley they added that. I can’t see any other source.

snooker said:

I think I hated it?

I know I did.

Thing is, most people probably like it and moved on to the next blockbuster or the other dozens of releases that came out in the last 12 months. I doubt mass audiences care enough or have the energy to keep so much internet noise going.

Without them showing it there’d be no point to ever using fighters at all. Torpedoes on the other hand…

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Do you know what’s a great title? STAR WARS

I like the way you think

Just look at the price tags. The latest Falcon is obscenely over priced even with inflation.