Remove Anakin's yellow eyes in Mustafar excepts perhaps till the duel with Obi. Besides makin the fall of Anakin more believable, it'd make the movie more progressive
It's a giant leap because one thing is to see an angry Anakin killin people, and another thing is to be rather confused, but still a good person, and the second later you are bad bad bad because someone told you to be so, and you kill people because you're angry with noone, and someone told you to do it.
Killing children is not a giant leap. The giant leap is turning a doubting guy to a deliverate assasin in just five minutes of movie because he's been brain washed
He never tries to achieve those dark side powers, he just receives the promise that he will. So no, killing children isn't a way to increase his dark side powers, is just a non sense attempt of showing a pissed off Anakin...
I think Anakin should kill Windu, or at least be passive in that aspect, then accept Palpatine's help as he's done things that he knows would have no return in the Order, so stays there with Palp, always with the hope of saving Padme. So he gets sent to Mustafar, and kills everybody... but the spirit should be he's doing it without anger, a feeling of a constricted person. Then fights Obi, gets chopped and Vadered up, he is told that all he's been through was pointless, and get this angry, lonely, condemned villain, move by the hate of himself... goes and wipes out the younglings... End of the movie (?).
My point is to make Anakin not a very convinced person of what he's doing while he slaughters all the Jedi. He's pushed to do it, for a major reason, Padme. That bullshit of Anakin with yellow eyes when he kills the children is absurd. What is he mad at?? Besides a Vader non suited would imply some people to know that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader... when this must be a secret to the galaxy. I think, what'd be best, is to replace Anakin and the troups entering the Jedi building in Coruscant, by a suited Vader doing so, at the end of the movie. This woul imply of course a whole re plot in some points...
Coov said:
His turn, I think, should be equally based off of the "power" he would gain rather than just saving Padme. He always cried about being held back... here is an opportunity where he can be fully appreciated, and moulded into who he has always wanted to be.
Remember Anakin's turn must be believable, as well as his return must. Don't agree with you, there must be a love related reason, since someone who fell because of love can be redeemed, but someone who fel because he was an ass can't. Still, Vader must turn into an evil character, for we must also believe that Anakin could become in the ESB's Vader.
This is not just the PT tragedy's fault, but also for the OT stuff. Could someone who's just seen ESB actually believe cold, twisted, evil Darth Vader can be redeemed?
Anakin/Vader's treatment along the saga is pretty a delicate thing that was certainly uncared by GL.
Aesthetically excellent, tough the beam moves too fast, is there any chance to slow it down a little?
Well you know, I'm not responsible for expanded universe.I don't even like it, but it has its own pros, in a certain way. It's star wars by someone else than GL. And usually writers happen to be creative, and have enough empathy as to describe a person's feelings. So if the guy made a point, even in a stupid context (I agree with you...a clone of Maul, WTF)... why not to consider it?
My english is quite bad, so I have to ask... what do you mean by skimming??
Yeap, and still mantains the contradiction of Anakin, he embraces the dark side because of Padme, or because he wants to bring "security, freedom bla bla" (he really belives that?)?
TV's Frink said:
A clone of Maul?
Yet another reason for me to skip the EU.
You're takin the can and not the beer (?) of what I said
BTW, liked the last video, another interesting option, but still, I wonder how will you do not to repeat the shot of Kenobi turning off his sabre
Honestly I dont think Anakin turning to the dark side should show a really pissed off Sith Anakin. Anakin knows what he's done is fuckin wrong, but he insists in doing it for just one reason, Padme. No fuckin dark side thing, just a Faustical tragedy. Perhaps some pissing off with the Jedi, in some situation as Bingo proposed. But this is what I wanted to say in my previous post, Anakin is no fuckin Vader until he gets in the suit. Anakin is forced to do what he does by the situation and his fears, not because he willingly succumbs to Palpatine.
BUT once the tragedy is consumed, once he knows certainly that all he's done was in vain because he couldn't save his wife, then Vader appears. There's a situation in Expanded universe, of an suited Vader fighting a clone of Maul, and this clone asks him "what can you hate so much to defeat me"... and Vader responses "Myself"... I honestly think this is an interesting point and something Bob could achieve if he is willing to with his edit. Vader takes his strenght from the Dark side by hating... hating himself, hating himself for ruining his own life and this hat for himself is in some point, a feeling of guilt, and this guilt is the ultimate seed of his redemption
Ok here it goes my suggested dialogue, Nothing new, just tried to improve what GL gave us:
ANAKIN: Padme, I saw your ship . . .
PADME: Oh, Anakin!
ANAKIN:What are you doing out here?
PADME: Obi-Wan told me terrible things... He said you have turned to the dark side . . . that you killed younglings...
ANAKIN: Obi-Wan is trying to turn you against me.
PADME: He cares about us... He wants to help you
ANAKIN: (Smiles he doesn't believe her)
PADME: Anakin, You are a good person. Don't do this.
ANAKIN: I've done it for you. To protect you. I won't lose you the way I lost my mother!
PADME: Anakin, all I want is your love! Come away with me
ANAKIN: Don't you see, we don't have to run away anymore. I am more powerful than the Chancellor.I can overthrow him, and together you and I can make things the way we want them to be.
PADME: (Silence, dissapointed). . . Obi-Wan was right...
ANAKIN: I don't want to hear any more about Obi-Wan. Don't turn against me. (Here the line was "the jedi turned against me. don't you turn against me. Well there's two things about this line: the first one is when dide the Jedi turned against Anakin?? The second one is how to make a convincing "don't turn against me" considering that he actually says "don't YOU turn against me" and the accent is awful and almost seems to be a question
PADME: Anakin, you are going down a path I can't follow.
ANAKIN: Because of Obi-Wan?
PADME: Because of what you've done . . .
ANAKIN: (seeing Obi-Wan) SILENCE, TENSION
PADME: No!
ANAKIN: You're with him. You've betrayed me! ("You brought him here to kill me!"... THIS ACTUALLY GETS ERASED, ANAKIN IS KINDA SUPERB, HOW CAN the future DARTH VADER EVER CONSIDER HE CAN BE KILLED?)
PADME: NO! Anakin. I swear ... I ...
OBI-WAN: Let her go, Anakin. Let her go!
ANAKIN: You turned her against me. You will not take her from me.
OBI-WAN: You've done that yourself . You have allowed this Dark Lord to twist your mind until now . . . until now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.
ANAKIN: Don't lecture me, Obi-Wan. (I see through the lies of the Jedi. I do not fear the dark side as you do...WTF IS THIS, ERASED). I have brought peace, and security to my new Empire (JUSTICE, FREEDOM? ERASED ANAKIN KNOWS THAT WHAT HE'S DONE'S A SHIT, he isn't even darth vader yet. about this I can give my point in another message if necessary)
Loved the voice change for Anakin, and the changes you've already done to the scene, like erasing the "democracy" yell and stuff, and BTW, sorry for such a large post guys
rockin said:
bobgarcia74 said:
Need some fresh eyes for this next shot, cause I've been looking at it for so long. ATM anything looks good.
During the final duel I removed the line. "You underestimate my power". For obvious reasons. My problem was that with alot of the lines from this part removed, Anakin jumping comes way to quick. So I reinserted the shot when Anakin gives that line, but removed him saying anything. Using motion tracking and masks. Feel free to pick it apart, cause like I said, right now it's hard for me to judge it.
That actually works quite nicely bob. With that line gone, it makes the scene more tense. :-)
It isn't only more tense, but more dramatical, more tragical, more real, and that MUST be the spirit of the scen, congratulations bob!. Obi chopping Anakin off isn`t bad at all. Leaving would be a really really powerful situation but it wouldn't go well with the part of Yoda warning Obi Wan about letting Anakin alive. What about force chokin' him to the lava? Then there'd be no "You were the chosen one. You were my brother..." Just Obi Wan leaving, disappointed.
Regarding the dialogue previous to the duel between padme and Anakin, I was planning to see what could be done to it, would it bother you if I posted here my "conclussions"?. Perhaps you have already made a decission about it.
Wow... The best thing about fan edits is that things get really enhaced. The bad one is that you realize how many things could be done to improve the movie, and how limited material you have to do it, and eventually you end up regreting that Lucas has missed such a big chance, isn't it?
I don't actually think that it'd be right if Vader appeared behind a blast door, it would rest drama to that duel... I mean, there are lots of scenes of lightsabres in SW... some of them are fights (Maul vs Quigonn, Dooku vs anakin and obiwan, Palpatine against windu, Obi vs Grievous) but there are others that are actual duels which have a strong dramatic meaning and connotation. Both Obi Wan vs anakin/vader duels must have that drama thing, even if the ROTS duel kinda crossed the line between fight and duel...I mean they were best friends... It mustn't be just hate... It must have a sense of disappointment, nostalgia, you know, actually I'd have chosen the Anakin's betrayal theme instead of Battle as Ady did.
Love the last mock up, looks like PT, and still, very OTish... I stand for blue in that scene's foreground since cores and energy seems to be related with blue in the saga.
Regarding the stormtroopers issue, it would be logical if they had blue blasters, but there's a thing with colours and weapons in the saga. And me too think it would be nice to show something, anything that connect them with PT clonetroopers besides being white. I said in another thread I'd love to see like a "collection" of "oold republic" clonetrooper and stormtrooper helmets in that imperial council inside DS, stating how militarized the Empire was.
There's also one thing I notice in ANH about stormies, even in ESB but not in ROTJ, their helmets, seem to be wide, or something I dont know, but I can tell ROTJ stormtroopers look almost as broad-shouldered and proportioned as PT cg clones. Of course this would be an almost impossible work to do, but still I couldn't help saying it.
Made a few mock ups of what I'm trying to do with the begining part of ANH... I'm actually doing it, but since I've no idea of After effects, I'm doing it frame by frame, which suppose a heavy and boring work so I can't tell if this modification will ever be finished.
The first thing is to change the foreground when Leia is recordind his SOS message to Obi wan... never liked those tanks...
I'm speaking of these shot http://img153.imageshack.us/i/0000419.jpg/ .
I took this one http://img205.imageshack.us/i/edcorridorst7ge9.jpg/ and this one http://img837.imageshack.us/i/0000002g.jpg/, and made this hybrid http://img178.imageshack.us/i/tanbtiveleia.jpg/ ... and I'm trying to do kinda this http://img525.imageshack.us/i/mockad.jpg/.
Another thing I'm trying to do, is (still aboard the Tantive) when Vader is speakin with two imperial officers, one of them is standing in front of a door, which leads to a dark room full of blinkin lights.. well, I think I'm gonna try to replace that room for another normal white corridor of the ship
Am I the only one who hears Vader saying "Luke it is your "destinity"" instead of "destiny" at the end of ESB?
The question is if it's fair to switch the Vader's redemption surprise for a more convincing uncertainty about what is Luke gonna do
That'd happen for someone who knows the chronological order. If you don'know anything about Star Wars, and don't have a buddy to tell you how to do, the most logical thing is to watch them in the order the movies seem to have, and actually, have
The Golden Idol said:
I'm skeptical about this idea. I don't think the audience should know that Vader turns good at this point, I feel like switching their sabers would spoil the surprise of his redemption.
I think SW has reached a point with the inclussion of the PT to the saga( and I must say I'm thankful for this since it has humanly improved the story ) where a new feeling of vastness and humanity has been included. With the inclussion of the PT the saga has been re-dimensioned as the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, instead of some very well done adventures-matinée saga.
It is my point of view that it is pointless to keep some surprises just because we were astonished when we first saw them. And I say this, because, as a tragedy the aim of the saga should be to generate empaty, not astonishment.
This is where I mainly disagree with some fans that support editing PT to keep the surprise of Vader being Anakin till EPV. Yes, of course we'd be freezed if after five movies it turns out that Anakin is Vader. But the price of this would be loosing all the process where the average viewer can put him/herself (or not) in Anakin's place, it'd be changing from drama to adventure. In a movie called the RETURN of the Jedi, where minutes before his return Vader says to his son (at Endor) "there's no time for me, son", where Luke tries and tries to convince hime saying there's still good in him... Is it actually a surprise that Vader's coming back to be Anakin?
Oh, didn't notice
I'm still very enthusiastic with the idea of Vader handing the two sabres turned on when he's trying to convince Luke, and then having them fight with the other's sabre for a while...
Maybe it had to be that way to get the right light for the shot
Bingowings said:
I wonder what Dr Freud would make of that suggestion?
Good call though especially seeing as he lost his Father's good 'weapon' in their previous encounter.
Luke chucking it away in disgust would also have added potency.
Didn't catch it. What'd Freud say?
And yes, it'd add potency when he looks mech hand (and here ot could somehow be added a shot of his other hand looking the red sabre) and then turns it off.
Being even more radical, Vader could find Anakin's sabre at the end of ESB.
Monroville said:
teharri said:
Also since I am thinking of ROTJ, how about adding the force choke rumble to the scene in the begining with Luke choking the guards.
I personally love both ideas (when Luke shouts out "DARTH!" and force-grabs his sabre, would it be lit the whole time as he rips it out of Vader's hand and starts pounding on him? That would be interesting to see in motion); I still would like to see a test where Luke chokes the guards without raising his hand up.
What if after that, Luke grabbed vader's red sabre instead of his, so it looks more graphical that he's almost turning to the dark side, and that Vader is up to come back to the light side
Things I'd love to see in a future fan edition of ANH:
Enhaced screens and displays (computers inside the Death Star look odd).
Insert some PT SDs and stuff. There could be two excuses to do so:
The first one, to insert some old imperial PT stuff, could be that Tatooine is a planet really far from the center of the Empire, and as it's a rather "quiet" planet,with no intervention of the Empire , they could send some old ships, reserving their ultimate stuff for areas which really require them. There's a quote from EU (know this isn't cannon but it's just to show the spirit of what I'm trying to say) from a trooper of the 501st:
"For months we had treated the Rebellion like a disobedient child"...
Untill the destruction of the DS, Rebellion was kinda little, little threat to the Empire.
The other excuse, and still following the spirit of that phrase, is that, as the Rebellion is at the time of ANH a little, clandestine and poor organisation, they couldn't select their ships just as if they had much money. They'd just take any "collaboration" they could, and some old Republic-time junk could do.
http://img714.imageshack.us/i/tatoot.png/
This could even enhace the feeling the OT gives us of "used technology" in the future.
And to finalize, another thing that could do is including a scene after de DS destruction, of Vader aproaching Coruscant and giving explanations to the Emperor or something like that
