Mithrandir

It looks like Vader can't stand the burocrats that surround him in his ships. But in the battlefield (Tantive, for instance) that's another thing, he's still a good general. Actually, this does fit with Anakin's characteristics; even with what's shown in Clone Wars.

I agree that we see some movements in ANH that aren't Vaderish at all. But concerning him looking the void, I think that's one of his characteristical attitudes; and he does move his head sometimes, not very pronouncedly, but he does. So the point is how can it be shown (on a Vader looking the void scene) that he's confused, feeling something that makes him feel uneasy (for the first time since twenty years)

The image is awesome, though perhaps you should adjust the lightening; I think if you're that close to a forming star you can't have more lightening from the inside than from the outside.

I'm imagining something sunset-like; thoug it would be excesevely altering the spirit, isn't it?

No, not talkin to himself. Just looking the void. Then having the same gesture of looking here and there, and making him leave in hurry.

Cut to other scene

Return to Vader informing to Tarking about Obi's presence

Replacing that line with the shot of Vader that Vaderios mocked up at some point in the movie would make it even more like ESB

Excellent idea. It could be used to show a meditative Vader realising his former master is on-board (and erase that "I sense something"; not very Vaderish line)

What Plans? said:

What if the X-wings don't make a lot of wind when taking off?  Come to think of it, most of the ships in Star Wars take off without much external disturbance.

 you are totally right, that's why I also talked about a slight tremblor, or something. There's something in that scene that makes me feel like if something was missing. the same feeling some scenes involving lightgames in Close encounters of the third kind give me.

There's the puppet, the fading, then the light comes again, then it goes off, then a red light comes in, and then it goes... Oh... and there's heavy engine noise...

Ady, when Luke's leaving Dagobah and he goes off the scene and Yoda and Ben rest and the have the reveal that there's another "hope"... are you planing to do something (add some breeze, or a slight tremblor) to make it more denotative of the situation (a fighter taking off)?

Don't know if turning it to green would be the solution. But i think that if Ady's to keep the "increase to maximum fire power" line, there has to be something, anything, different between normal and maximum fire power

It's an idea I just threw, since I found the picture of Anakin watching the space visually powerful, and OTish. Think it would give us some certainty that infact, Vader has much of the "old" Anakin inside him; by seing some continuity in his gestures through the Saga. What's more, in my message I say this shot should be somewhere in the PT, and not only talkin of EPIII. However, EPIII is the best choice since we got the most grown and mature soldier. Not Anakin the boy, nor the apprentice, but the brillant commander.

It's true that there's no room in the plot for something like this... perhaps you could have Vader go to Mustafar by star destroyer... though it would still be Vader(non suited) and not Anakin.

There's no argumental justification for this shot, but the visual signification it has. The idea came to my mind and had to share it with you.

Bob would it be possible to replace that fancy shot of Anakin landing what rests of the invisible hand, by some long shot of a star destroyer (in other part of the film)... something kinda this

http://img210.imageshack.us/i/asddp.jpg/

I mean, a SD long shot isn't really important... but personally I think it'd be the most acceptable prelude to a shot that should be somewhere in the prequels if we really are to belive that Anakin actually becomes the Vader we met in the OT...

http://img222.imageshack.us/i/anakin12.jpg/

Sorry for the roughness of the mock ups

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txEi7teVKLE&feature=related

Take this video as an example. I think that what makes it less OTish is the camera movement following the main compositing figure (the chopper, in this case). I think that in order tu OTrize this a bit, the main chopper shot, with the moving camera (till 0:13) could rest.  The stuff that goes from 0:13 to 0:18 should go off.

The next shot camera (which lasts till second 24) should stay quiet, which would imply literally a mess (if it'd be possible at all). 

Another chopper shot (0:25 - 0:33): pointless. erased

And so on. Another thing I find as a constant in EpIII is wide shots taken from the ground. To be graphical: Mace lighting on his sabre when arresting Palpatine.

I had to put this as a written post since I'm not very wise with mock ups.

vaderios said:

Why not start making your pics and suggest bob ideas ? ;)

This will help more :)

 

-Angel

 I was just supporting this fan edit project. Thought the images you posted were actually screenshots from ROTDS that bob gave you. Sorry for the misunderstanding

Yeap, what's more, if we never had a non suited Vader, we would be assuming almost as cannon the fact that Anakin oficially "died" as a Jedi traitor, and that no one knows who Vader really is.

But then we have Tarkin and the Imperial moffs callin Vader a Jedi (since there were no siths at that time)

Sluggo said:

Mithrandir said:

 Well, I liked the idea of Luke being reknown for his surname, along with the DS destruction. Surely, this would leave the emperor standing as a fool, when he says "he's the offspring of anakin skywalker"... but if we left the 1980 dialogue, it could work.

I insist, this "contradiction" (which is never officially stablished) of watching the saga in order and saying "hey, anakin was such an important figure, and 20 years after, other Skywalker appears and no one seems to relate them, or remember Anakin's great deeds during the CW" could be arranged in the prequels by makin Anakin some Mr Nobody (?), though for me it would be better to get it fix in the OT

Rookies.

It's already there, just not in the final edit.

RED LEADER
Are you… Luke Skywalker? Have
you been checked out on the Incom
T-sixty-five?

BIGGS
Sir, Luke is the best bushpilot in
the outer rim territories.

Red Leader pats Luke on the back as they stop in front of his fighter.

RED LEADER
I met your father once when I was
just a boy. He was a great pilot.
You’ll do all right. If you’ve
got half of your father’s skill,
you’ll do better than all right.

LUKE
Thank you, sir. I’ll try.

 Rookies? Where does that come from, man?

I knew of that scene but it doesn't really adjusts to what I said. Where's the mention to Anakin the Jedi, not the pilot? Where's the astonishment of what I've talked in my post? Anakin, as it is shown in the Prequels (here's the thing) is rather a legend, someone you would say "Do you REALLY have something to do with Skywalker?"; not that mere alussion. And I always thought of this in ESB, where the Luke's father question is almost filling the air of the film.

This scene seems to be one of the post production made-in-hurry make ups. Or maybe it's a case of " what can I do with this awesome matte painting for which I've paid and I don't wanna leave unused". I mean, this isn't exactly the best example of ILM's work during its Gold Age

 Well, I liked the idea of Luke being reknown for his surname, along with the DS destruction. Surely, this would leave the emperor standing as a fool, when he says "he's the offspring of anakin skywalker"... but if we left the 1980 dialogue, it could work.

I insist, this "contradiction" (which is never officially stablished) of watching the saga in order and saying "hey, anakin was such an important figure, and 20 years after, other Skywalker appears and no one seems to relate them, or remember Anakin's great deeds during the CW" could be arranged in the prequels by makin Anakin some Mr Nobody (?), though for me it would be better to get it fix in the OT

Wow. This is what comes after a Bob's silence (?). Excellent work, excellent idea. You definetely got it Bob!

I was gettin impatient after such a long silence, wanted to see some pic

So if I got it right, Ady's going to put the image of ROTJ emperor, the voice of 2004 edition, and the script from 1980, no?

That's right, but it's the prequels you know. The Republic seems to be set to be overthown, the Jedi are set to be almost blind.

INVAR said:

 

hgfed said:

There is over 800 pages here, so I don't know if someone has mentioned this.  I kind of liked the new scene in the special edition where Sidious tells Vader that Luke is his son, but earlier Vader says something like "Skywalker must be with them" referring to the base on Hoth which is in contradiction to the later added dialogue because he wasn't supposed to know that Luke was his son yet.  Maybe that's something to correct in your edit.

Another thing is that the added dialogue (when Sidious tells Vader about Luke) goes against the opening crawl that says Vader is scouring the galaxy looking for Skywalker, which means he knew Skywalker was his son.

I'd change the opening crawl and change Vaders line from "Skywalker is there, i can feel it" to "the rebels are there" or just remove it.

 

 

The opening Crawl of Empire says that Vader is obsessed with finding young Skywalker.  It says nothing of the Emperor.

I always understood the fact that it was Vader who became obsessed with finding Skywalker.  This is notably due the line in ANH during the Battle of Yavin when Vader says "The Force is strong with this one" when he's trying to shoot Luke down as Ben is talking with Skywalker.  That fact alone would have driven Vader crazy if in fact all the Jedi were extinct by that time and Vader was "all that is left of their religion" according to Tarkin.

It follows that Vader would become obsessed with finding Skywalker. One: - because Vader failed to destroy him and thus the Death Star was kaboomed in what may have been a monumental failure heaped upon Vader by Emp (see the Robot Chicken episode for proof of this), and two - because Vader sensed a tremor in the Force from Luke.

We can natually assume that Vader learned who the pilot was that fired the torpedo that destroyed the space station.  Vader probably recalled glimpsing or sensing Luke in the hangar bay right after he killed Obi-Wan and easily figured out that Luke accompanied Obi-Wan from Mos Eisley to the Death Star.  That would account for Vader's obsession including sending the Imperial fleet to drive the Rebels from their hidden base.  Whether by memory, deduction or mental odor from the Force, Vader had figured out who Luke actually was and became obsessed with finding him as the opening crawl attests.

Shadows of the Empire reveals that Palpy loved to make his servants squirm and fester against one another.  That Vader sought to overthrow Palp is a driving force behind what we always felt Vader was up to, especially given the dialogue in the Core on Bespin.

I've always assumed Vader knew who Luke was from before the beginning of Empire.  Palp, not so much. By the time Palp figured it out and gave Vader a ring on the Executor about his foresight of Luke destroying them - Vader plays along letting Emp think he's ahead of Vader on the subject of Luke and hands Emp the alternative possibility of turning Luke to the Dark Side that Vader had been contemplating all along.  What Vader hoped to keep hidden from Palp was his own ambition to use Luke to overthrow Emp.

If anything the latest DVD dialogue from Empire about "the offspring of Anakin" destroys that symbiotic storyflow and totally kicks the premise of the movie off kilter from the Crawl.

The only additions of dialogue I would keep from the 2006 Release would be this:

Vader: What is thy bidding my master?

Emp: There is a great disturbance in the Force.

Vader: I have felt it.

Emp: We have a new enemy.  The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star, Luke Skywalker.

Vader: Yes my master.

Emp:  He could destroy us.

Vader:  He is just a boy.  Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

Emp: The Force is strong with him.  The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

Vader: If he could be turned, he could be a powerful ally.

Emp: Yes.  Yes.  He would be a great asset. Can it be done?

Vader: He will join us or die, master.

 

That would be all I would do with that scene if it were me beyond getting the Jedi Emp in the hologram to be in better continuity with the OT.

 This one goes for those who say there's no such thing as politics in the OT! Make Vader have a personal profit project Ady, we know you can ;)

That's the point, in no way a main character can become a supporting character in the same saga without splitting it in two. And this happens several times, among many other inconsistences. What's more, the used past of the OT now (if you watch the saga in order) looks almost unbelievable... "How's that... no one remembers Yoda (I accept no one knew he was alive), even if the Rebellion seems to be so related to the Jedi? No one asks Luke "hey, are you the son of the great Gral Skywalker??"... No one knows Vader is Anakin?.

Even though I think it'd be cool that some of the adjustments which need to be done to fix this should be actually done in the OT (like making some rebel team mate ask Luke about Anakin, as I said before... because,umh, well, I think it'd add to the spirit of ESB), I hope to see what can be done in the prequels to make them suit the OT universe

I think Yoda should be in the prequels Suppose you're watching the saga in PT-OT order. You'd find it weird if when you're by the fifth episode this green old jedi master from the republic era shows up. It'd be like "hey, i've seen the republic era, and he wasn't there!". Tough I must say, my idea of what Yoda would do in the PT is quite far from what he actually does.

In that way, several things in the prequels should be adjusted to OT; think how unreknown the Skywalker surname is within the Rebellion, in spite of the famous-glorious (?) Commander Anakin is supposed to be in the PT... Though it'd somehow make richer the plot of ESB if Luke was asked several times if he was the son of the historic Anakin, it'd make us wonder who the f*%ck Anakin was, til... and then... off topic (?)

Bob have you considered adding music that doesn't actually come from SW saga? I say this because there's a song composed by John Williams, that actually reminds a militarized version of Across the Stars... it's called "The turbulent years"...

I insist on the crescendo part of the imperial march on the massacre scene

Regarding the scene of Anakin marchin to the Jedi place, I've just found out how fuckin epic it'd be if for once in the saga, the crescendo part of the Imperial march was used (the part which goes from 1:30 till 1:47). I think it can be arranged to fit the stairs-feet-roof-feet cut that scene has. And of course, the climax of that scene would be Anakin (preferently Vader suited up) with the epic imperial march you can hear from 1:47, turning on his sabre...

I'd trie some mock up, but I suck in after effects...