Bob, a new critic of ROTS has been released. Seen the first part only, but the guy actually makes a point 'bout coruscant traffic.
http://io9.com/5722044/mr-plinkett-aka-the-phantom-reviewer-brutally-dissects-revenge-of-the-sith
Well, even if I agree with you in the fact that there's something different between PT and OT troopers, I think it is more a difference in the way they're filmed than in their suits. In the OT stormtroopers are more a background element than characters while in the PT they have their closeups.
And I think that if you look carefully at the photo Jaitea posted, well, there you have an actual prop which still looks like CG. I've been thinking why does that sensation come to my mind and I realised that while OT armours are shiny, PT are dull (I think this could have been done to save rendering time by not havin all those reflections). It'd be interesting if somebody that masters photoshop could trick some picture to see how would a shiny clonetrooper and a dull stormtrooper look
Wouldn't it be nice if you set that asteroid field as an improvised refugee place? just alter a little bit the matte, put some Jedi starfighters parked here and there, the tantive and maybe even a reppublic SD (just to emphatize that organa represents in some way the continuity of the Republic, and that now every imperial ship is grey, you see this red one and say "hey, this are the good guys"), then erase the miners (?) or whatever those two guys standing there are, colour correct it, present it as a panoramic stablishing scene and zoom it in to any place of the shot (preferently the Tantive) and there you have, a clandestine atmosphere, in a lonely and far place in the galaxy, smelling like the borning of the rebelion (even if it's not explicit) and looks Otish.
Noblesse obligue, even if I can't tell the name of the voice actor, the argentinian dubbing, which I guess is the same for the whole latinamerican area is also great. However, since we don't have a strong dubbing industry here (like Mexico, or Spain) to protect, it's most common to watch the movies in their Original version subtitled (better, indeed) in the cinema. In other countries, don't know if it's a traditional thing or a legal matter, but almost all the movies are dubbed, as a way to impulse their dubbing industry (Italy, I think)
Well, it's good to read you haraldo, cause I was thinking last night about this dark side thing, and it came to my mind somehow, Yoda repeating the phrase (EPII, I think) "the dark side clouds everything"... so, I just wandered that it could be possible that, in a certain way (being consistent with my idea of making EPIII more confusing about the Jedi's role in the Republic), the dark side, or even the Force, could be an implicit character with a will of his own, just like the ring in LOTR.
So, as the dark side "clouds everything", it makes the Jedi act wrong (or at least in a suspicious way) trying to overthrow Palpatine even if it they don't have that faculty. So the dark side, or the force, is making up a mess of everything, EVEN the Jedi Order.In this context, having Anakin trying to act on his own benefit (like I said before, making him go to Padme's instead of going straight to Windu) would be even more realistic.
This could even give a little more meaning to the prophecy stuff, since the Force and Anakin would be their real protagonists. And the movie would go on making us doubt about who's right and who's wrong even till a critical point, to then, very near the end make the watcher realize that the Sith, the bad guys have taken over
I think this was quite the original idea for the film but... it's lucas you know. So, I can't even say what needs to be done to get that feeling of what I'm talking, nor I know if Bob likes this idea, though it would be great to polish it up into something more concrete than what I posted (I mean, actual suggestion of concrete changes/corrections).
Sorry for the large post
Well, I didn't find out how to make him turn around and leave (photoshop, frame by frame animation)... however, I added it a couple of establishing shots and Vader's silouette
Even if I agree with angel that Utapau's palette should be reduced, I have to say I'd rather prefer a more chromatic palette, a more blueish PT style...
http://img844.imageshack.us/i/grayi.jpg/
Bob, another idea:
In order to keep makin Anakin more independent, even from Palpatine... after the opera scen when palps suggests anakin to lead the mission to kill grievous... why don't you make him not to say a thing of Palpatine suggestion to the council... like he already knows he won't be sent.
So you'd be constructing a character that swallows all this advises, and then he finally explodes in the pshyco Vader is, instead of having him being a puppet of Palpatine.
Of course, with this you'd make Anakin more independent, but what's more, it'd make Palpatine's mechanism more subtle. I mean, the smarter the guy you twist his mind is, the smarter you gotta be to do it.
I think that what's more feasible is actually to have Anakin not to tell Windu at all. Something kinda
holochat with windu + Anakin... bla blah, Anakin gets sent to inform the chancellor Obi's made contact, the holochat goes on without Anakin, and there we get the council to determinate Palpatine's removal.
cut to obi killing grievous. cut to palpatine's reveal. cut to windu SOMEHOW getting informed that obi's mission haven succesfully completed, considering what the council has decided, he gets some Jedi and leaves. cut to "I'm not the jedi I should be". cut to Palpatine vs Windu.
How would Anakin get to the office?? Well, it'd be one less taking off scene
cut cut cut (???)
Bob, me again:)
Have you considered, so as to give Anakin's character a little more depth, to have him go to his home (or padme's) after Palpatine's reveal, instead of going right to inform Windu... so his turn wouldn't be a decission taken at the time hi cuts out windu, but we know more remarkably that he's confused... I mean, inserting the scene of "something's happening, I'm not the Jedi I should be" right after Palpatine's office scene. Pros I've found on this:
1) showing that Anakin's actual "circle of trust" is his wife, not the Council, which means giving more depth to his relationship with padme WITHOUT the employment of any wooden dialogue
2) showing how confused Anakin is by the content of the scene
3) showing it not only by the content of the scene, but by knowing he told the emperor he'd go to windu and he went to padme's instead.
4) making Anakin a political actor (he's balancing his personal interests over his duty during a major part of the film, instead of having him do it only when he finally turns.
Besides, by putting that scene there, it can leave the spectator thinking that Padme could suspect, at some point, what's going on... and if you delete the shot of Obi Wan boarding Padme's ship without his knowledge, it could even give more meaning to "you're with him, you will not take her from me" line in Mustafar... so as to make us doubt about Padme's role in this whole game (the same idea that's expressed in the Emperor/Vader holochat in ESB). And, this would, of course, increase Anakin's hate for the Jedis by giving an actual and tangible reason.
Cons:
How to get windu to the Palpatine's office... perhaps you could twist the holo-conference to make it seem that right after grievous death, the Jedi would remove Palpatine, no matter what he does.
Well, even considering it'd be a radical change (or at least some people would consider it to be so), perhaps it could be subtle to add some more detail in red in those areas...not viewscreens but shcematics screens (OT-like)... for an idea check out this video from bob garcia's edit (it's PT BTW, though it's enough to illustrate) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmTYfPaaiA
Washed/Monochromatic = OT
Extreme amounts of colour= PT
Monochromatic+colourful details= OT Revisited???
BTW Ady, watching this scene some thoughts came to my mind, and I gotta say I'm thankful that, at some point you're eventually removing the scene of Anakin getting the suit... wtf would Vader be staring at while he looks the spacial landscape (as he does practically all over ESB), if he can't see a thing with that mask?
Yet I insist, from my point of view the falcon should be darkened. Just like in the GOUT version
I think Ady's found a rather balanced point of lighting in that shot. The only thing I'd point out is whether the Falcon should be affected by the shadow of the Executor or not. (it actually seems to be in the GOUT and 97 SE)... It was a beautiful prop, full of detail, it's a shame they crashed the blacks that way... I can almost say the GOUT shot looks the more PT-like of all, it could even match some shots of the opening scene of EPIII withut feeling the difference
Great idea, though too hard to do.
Ripplin said:
Just a by-product of the voice modulating technology they used after Jones did his lines, I suspect. It probably does it all the time, but in normal speech, we don't hear it so much. Slow and stretched out like that, you hear the warbling of the technology more.
Just a guess, of course.
well, I noticed it watching the movie, and went to the soundboards to confirm it. Know it's not a big deal, but in my case, it made my doubt during my early days of studying english, whether the word for Spanish "destino" was destiny, or destinity (?); so let's say it's a personal thing with that line.
I know I've said this at some point of this thread, but hearing it from the soundboards, I'll come back at it; there's somemthing weird in Vader's line "It is your destiny", like a soft echo or something ("It is your destiny-y-y-y")
Wow. Sorry, I meant: WOW. If that was just for fun, what'd be your parameter of "serious"... WOW BOB. Please check your ROTDS thread, I casually posted my point of view about having a suited Vader do the Jedi slaughter...
Bob have you thoght giving Anakin some extra reason to wipe out the separatists in Mustafar?
I know we've discussed this a lot, and it exclusively depends on what is the actual "profile" you've chosen for Vader's character, but considering he`s not just a maniathic murderer, but someone who hasn't any hesitations when he wants things to be done (I think THAT is the real charactristic of a Sith, not havin any scruples at all)... I mean, if he was just a a tyrannic maniac he would have killed Lando, wouldn't he?
So the thing is, I thought that what would give Vader the reason not to let them live is that they found out who Vader actually was. And this could be done with shots of the movie that are already there, it'd requiere to add just some sound of astonishment, and someone in the background saying "commander skywalker? (!!) The war is over! lord sidious promissed us peace!"... and then right to the slaughter.
But keeping Anakins identity a secret no one must know would imply that there's still someone who could represent an actual danger to Anakin and from whom the Sith should remain hidden; so guess that'd be the Jedi Order still standing, and no Empire yet.
Thanks for supporting. I'm watching the movie in parts, so as to watch it carefully and see what comes to mind.
Here's another.. right after the Sidious/Grievous hologram scene, we move to an establishing shot of Coruscant, then to a more precise establishing shot (padme's building), and right after that the characters are shown.
But remembering ESB SE (where there's another couple scene), we've got the establishing shot of Bespin at the begininig of the act (the SE Bespin aproach shot), then we move to Dagobah, and when we return to Bespin, there isn't another Bespin establishing shot, but just showing Leia's building. So what about cutting that little Coruscant shot?
BTW, don't know why, but that scene is one of the few moments in the film when I find it believable that Anakin could become Vader...I can't tell why, maybe the way he looks, he seems to have darker clothes and hair, or something.
Minutes later in the movie, I see no sense in the scene of Anakin and ObiWan right after Ani speaks to Yoda. If it is to warn us about Palpatine, well, no sense. And if it's to tell that the Senate is voting more executive powers on Palpatine's person, then there was no reason for Palpatine to precipitate the things by revealing he's a Sith. But, if you cut that scene, then we get the ilusion of Anakin and Palpatine having an actual friendship (Anakin gets to the chancellor's office without being called)
Well, if it's to OTrize, I was watching ROTS and have a suggestion for the shot of Anakin and Obi "emergency landing" on Grievous ship: what about if, instead of having them doing that fancy jump out of their starfighters and turning on their sabres, you have them appear from an unexpected place, thus, not showing us the jump.
Like having a shot of the starfighters with nobody coming out, the droids get close to the ships to see what's going on and suddenly we have Anakin and ObiWan appearing and chopping them off. Replacing the music with the star wars theme, just like when Luke and Leia cross the DS bridge in ANH. I think it could work
Then, in no way Artoo can handle that transmissor Obi gives him. It shouldn't be shown, as if Artoo somehow kept it in his interior, or anything.
And finally, where Palpatine remains captive, what are those red bars at each side of him, speakers? Because I think the general ambientation of that scen is almost fine but that stuff....
Is there a copy of this edit, or some preview clip available on the web, cuz I can't find any.
You've got it Bob ;)
Another problem is the fact that having huge holes in DSII would make having the Falcon go through by that twisted path pointless, if you can go straight to the core by the laser dish hole.
Both ROTS edits are so quiet, but looking what you guys have already done, it's worth to wait.
