Mithrandir

Well I dont know what your goal was with this vid, but it certainly looks very close to th OT style

All Bob has to decide, is what to do with the time that's given to him (?)

Don't worry, this IS rolling indeed until we got new info.

It's hard to wait tho.

Remember the last info we got was that Bob was replacing the source vids from HDTV transfers to the Blu Ray transfers. Which is a process that demanded 2-3 weeks to Adywan. So I hope that's the real explanation

MrInsaneA said:

Other then that my friends, I'm afraid mum's the word. 

English isn't my first language. So are you being criptic or it's some idiomatic phrase, I don't get you XD

MrInsaneA said:

Bobgarcia, is there any way you can show us the videos on another site?

Bob closed his youtube account, anyone got some information on this, and the future of this amazing edit?

I hope everything is allright...

DominicCobb said:

sans_fi said:

Watching the prequels, ive realised how easily would be to edit out the whole "forbidden love" plot from Episode III. Mainly because there are more scenes where people perfectly know that this is going on and dont care than scenes in wich this matters.
The only problem is that it will make Anakin's story through Episode II much shorter, but i guess you can include Padme's family for character development.
Things that will improve if you did this:

_You get rid of many crappy dialogue

_Is less unbelieable for Padme to fall for Anakin after he acts like an idiot or kills people. Its stupid, but if she was already his girlfriend while all that things happens, she will be more inclined to support him and go around with him. Just leave the Love as a classic guy meets girl and they fall for each other almost a day before meeting from almost every single fairy tale. The thing is, if you dont question that love in the movie, you dont question why would they fall in love.

_Scenes like the waterfall scene, or Padme going to Tatooine, arent as forced as they are now, they are just development of a young couple.

_Obi Wan will know about this, and will be OK with this. Wich will help in scenes that he would obviously know this, like everytime Anakin talks about Padme or in the "What would Padme do in your position?" scene.

Have you realsied how NOBODY cares about their marriage? Obi Wan obviously knows through all the story, Anakin tells Yoda he is worried about loosing someone he loves, the council dosnt care to send the two alone to Naboo, and then again after the clone wars start, and ANYONE can see that Padme is pregnant. Seems like the only ones that mention this or care about this are Padme and Anakin.

You can fall in love, you can get married, you can have kids, you simply must accept that when they die you have to let them go.

Yeah, when I watched the PT recently I thought that was kind of funny. If any of you watch the Office, it reminded me of the Dwight and Angela relationship that the two kept secret for absolutely no reason.

It would be way more clearer to have ObiWan be a confidant of Anakin and know about his marriage indeed. As it is set up in the theatricals, it's stupid

Bingowings said:

ben_danger said:

crickey, that would be insane!

so vader doesn't die in luke's arms, but enstead operates a console which whisks him off in an escape module. vader perhaps would be unmasked, standing watching him leave as all around him descends into flames?

talk about redemption!

Lovely idea even if it would probably mean poor Sebastian Shaw gets shafted again.

It would make his goodbye more like Han's in ESB or ET's I guess only he is going to his death/joining with the Force.

It would be kind of sweet if Padme was his spirit guide so to speak (or am I just being too sentimental).

The image that came to my mind when I read this idea was the one of the custody of the grail saluting Indy with his chainmail-glove

Nice idea to have padmé be some sort of guide to join the force.

In the same vein I always thought of Ben Kenobi speaking to Vader in order to bit his head off and prepare the ground to Luke.

It could be added either in the meditation chamber scene of ESB, or in the deleted one of ROTJ, the thing is to add some sense to Vader's line "ObiWan once thought as you do".

Angel said:

Its time for the ESB:R be transform into a fanedit-fanfilm hybrid? Cant see the reason to remain into the fanedit only status anymore :P

Nice news on the activity on hoth

-Angel

What would be the difference? Copyright or stuff like that?

I guess since fan editing is not a clear concept in terms of copyright, Adywan would hardly register any material, since that would imply oficialize his activity and you never know how things could end up happening, he could be risking years of work...

Anyway, I don't know.

Bingowings said:

I don't think it's in the same league as the midichlorians as a proposed explanation.

Is the holy grail pseudo science?

Is the ark of the covenant?

It could be an ancient Sith artifact that Palpatine wanted to retrieve that the people of Naboo hold without remembering what it originally was for.

The observation that it's used as a symbol of peace could be because it was taken from an ancient Sith warrior when he was defeated but it's so long ago people have forgotten the specifics.

Sith lightning in general couldn't do that to him so even in the established storyline Palpatine himself has something 'odd' about him to end up with that look.

I think Bob García is playing with the idea of showing Palpatine as the exaggeration of what a Sith reppresents in terms of passionality.

When Windu confronts him, Palpatine stands up in anger and things start to heat: the lights behave strange, there comes a low-frequency sound, and he is so possesed by his hate that even his face gets pruned.

The ultimate proof of this "extreme non handling of wrath" would be the force lighting, which was distinctive of him till Dooku used it too, weakening the Emperor's character.

In the end, IMO this all would have been much easier and more coherent if the Emperor's face had its reason in his age; if there were more than only 20 years between ROTS and ANH.

ObiWan speaks of the Jedi in ANH with such romanticism that convinced me that the events he told Luke happened 40-50 years before. Same with ROTJ; that idea that remained floating in the air, of Anakin somehow confronting the emperor and being defeated...I know Im deviating from what we're discussing now, but If someone ever wants to make the PT half a century before the OT then he will have to deal with Luke being Vader's son and not Anakin's. With this I mean of course, splitting in the timeline the rise of the Empire and the birth of Luke and Leia.

Maybe ObiWan supported the Empire in its beggining? Maybe the foolish idealistic crusade was to believe exactly the opposite the PT shows us; ObiWan and Anakin were the only Jedi to support the Reppublic turning into a "presidential reppublic", not knowing what was gonna come up next...ObiWan doesn't have to have a perfect past. In fact that's even distant from the impression we got of him in the OT, and very early in Star Wars.

This "Dumbledore" twist was effective in Harry Potter, and I think could have worked in this saga if done well, since the idea of SW is pretty much the same "nor the wise (Yoda), the powerful (Vader, the Emperor), the knight (ObiWan), but the simple people (the farmboy Luke) can achieve victory.

Given the fact that slight audio tweakes proved to work perfectly if done carefully, I guess you could replace the line 

"you can't win Darth" with "you won't win...darth"

Putting you won't win Darth gives a sense of plan to OB1's action; as someone said, he's already thought of a possible encounter with Anakin. And the pause before Darth would be just an idea to make the whole thing a little more ironic following Kenobi's prequel style, and a nice solution to the thing of Darth being Vader's first name. 

doubleKO said:

DIP said:

New Yoda looks pretty good.

I'm glad they didn't put his head on backwards like Angel did :p

It looks good because it seems to behave phisycally right in terms of lighting. But still, it doesn't look like the OT puppet when it comes to design. The CGI model has lost the Einstein eyes and eyebrows, don't know if they did this on purpose or by accident. The CGI Yoda has a more concerned sight, more concentrated and attached to reality, while OT aspect was about something different

I'd rather have it blue, it fits the tone of the movie, besides when it comes to heating things blue means hotter than red (Sith lightsabres are colder?).I'm all for adding sparks tho.

Bingowings said:

He didn't side with Anakin.

He sided with Darth Vader, a Sith Lord and sworn enemy of the Jedi.

Once Vader takes a lava bath Vader's true identity would be a secret to all but a chosen few.

It's so handy for Palpatine that Anakin got his identity burned off it's almost as if he planned it that way.

Perhaps having Palpatine telepathically prompting Anakin to jump (like Obi-Wan prompting Luke to blow up the Death Star without the computer) could put a bit of a line under that?

 

Before Vader takes the lava breath, Vader is clearly Anakin, just as Dooku is still Dooku, and not darth Tyrannus, or Palpatine is Palpatine and not Sidious.

Anakin is supposed to be the Republic's greatest military hero (not because the PT stuff, mainly because of the "cunning warrior" line of the OT); he's also a Jedi, and Palpatine supports him. Then the Empire comes, what would happen with the "public" figure of Anakin? The Empire would remember him as a hero, or as a traitor?If the Empire held Anakins memory as a hero, then the people could ask ¿why, considering he was another Jedi traitor? And then, they could suspect that Vader, who still sides the Emperor could be Anakin.

It's a rather twisted critic, I know, but I just wanted to point out that you could always put Anakin in the exact opposite situation, of him confronting the emperor, and the plot line that change would generate would still be in line with many of the ideas ObiWan and Yoda throw us in the OT, of how the events developed.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

 

Bingowings said:

In the same vein instead of Anakin actually killing children Clone Troopers could enter the council chambers armed with sabers taken from fallen Jedi.

That's actually a fantastic idea. It makes Anakin's fall from grace so much more realistic, and he doesn't appear to be a psychotic homicidal maniac. Obi-Wan and Padme appear now to be liars in a confusing world and his turn against them makes sense... It would create the original idea that Anakin thought there was utter corruption among even friends and the only one he could trust was Palpatine and himself, turning to the dark side. Love the picture by the way. ;-)

 

I like this.

However, how would the Emperor explain the public situation of himself always being sided by a "jedi traitor", while the other Jedi are being slaughtered. Even more, considering Anakin's supposed to be one of the greatest Jedi ever. With this I mean, by having it this way, you'd be almost stating (without making it explicit) that the whole galaxy could suspect that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker; or at least, the whole galaxy would know that Anakins Skywalker before "dying" in Mustafar, supported Palpatine.

That would, from a certain POV, attempt against the rebelation in ESB. Anakin wasn't a great guy for everybody who met him, that was consumed by the dark side. He was an Empire's supported, who Luke thinks was a great guy just because ObiWan told him he was.

Based on one of Yoda's (or ObiWan's, I don't remember clearly at the moment) quotes from ROTJ "don't underestimate the emperor if you don't wanna end up like your father"; I'd try to go for the exact opposite way. Anakin and ObiWan would be the great, heroic Jedis who when the night falls for the Republic, go and try to overthrow the emperor. That would be the climatic moment of their friendship. Some of them betrays the other, or makes some mistake like "underestimating the power of the emperor" and Anakin ends up with his wounds, and with a serious issue of anger against Obi Wan.

ROTS would be ending up with a sequence rather similar to the one with which it actually opens, two Jedi brothers in a desperate mission to save the Republic.

I don't think Coruscant should be as lighted in ROTJ as it was back in the republic days

Cutter do you remember Eastern Germany's anthem? I think it (both its "tender" and its "epic" parts) might be a good base for an Anakin/ObiWan theme (if you are still open to change it), or any other "heroic" motiv you want/need to do; it has some kind of solemnity that makes me think of what we imagined the Jedis were when you see just the OT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SHPndn_5Y8

"Tender-friendship" part: from 0:18 to 0:40

"Epic" part: 0:40 to 0:51

I saw what you did with Battle of the heroes cutter, and let me say there's still something knightish in the first four notes of the main melody, perhaps the so wanted Jedi Knights motiv could be extracted or based in those first four notes?

I still think that something joyful could came out of Anakin's dark deeds; and I still encourage you to try it; but I have to say the new clip of Anakin and Obiwan, with your new music fits very, very well.

Another suggestion:

Please use (or work on it) the music you can hear at 6:08 of this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGMKCrUFuMU . It's a tense section, that I think wasn't used in the movie.

Cheers

Angel said:

I cant call it lazy, in fact it needs some serious job to compose a piece that fits perfectly to a certain runtime of a shot and express all the feelings and emotions of the characters and the mood just like OT does.

I find the PT score very bland and ambient and it cant even capture the feel of the true symphonic style of the OT. Taking reference of the good williams scores and have Thecutter make new ones from inspiration of them is the perfect balance of tone up star wars by adding touches of JW top works.

 

-Angel

Yeah I agree, calling it lazy is rather tough, since Cutter has been composing. Even if the score is very similar to Superman's, you have to write each line of music the same; it's not a copy/paste job but something more like the process of copying the medieval priests did in the abbeys; reading the music and writing it again. And all of this, considering it's an exact copy, which clearly isn't.

However, you can always agree or disagree with his musical view; in fact, I disagree at this point, I'd look for another orchestration (more winds instead of so many strings), or I'd even look for another melody, trying to change the mood of Anakin's Dark Deeds (the melody you hear in that theme from the 0:44) into something friendly and otish, and use it.

True, you got me there ;)

timdiggerm said:

Small note: I was thinking about the DS explosions, and about how most of us want to see the shockwave gone from ANH.

I'm actually not sure I feel the same way about ROTJ. The collapse of the reactor makes the shockwave make more sense in ROTJ, it looks pretty cool the Falcon at the end, and it makes a nice visual distinction between the DS and DSII explosions.

I don't like neither of them, we've seen cruisers blowing up (or almost) in TPM (the "donut" spaceship), ROTS (the invisible hand) and ESB (in Hoth, when the ion cannon fires, the star destroyer kinda sinks in space), so it's pretty un believable that a space station that's like a thousand times bigger than a star destroyer could blow up in the same amount of time that a TIE fighter does...

I'd rather go for little explosions here and there until it starts to blow up seriously; in both movies (if there's no way to change the DSII plot in ROTJ).

I'd like to have Ben's ghost at the final duel in ROTJ, just as a vision tho.

So that Vader sees it and remembers of his friendship with Obi Wan... and so that Palpatine sees it the moment before dying, he sees how through the bright side you can achieve some kind of inmortality.

Besides, Vader could be a Jedi again, and whatever, but this doesn't imply he's in good terms with Kenobi after his death...

Someone had to drop this (?)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8676630/Star-Wars-Millenium-Falcon-spotted-at-bottom-of-Baltic-Sea.html

Bob Garcia has been working on that, based on a suggestion of Angel, who realized that the weird look of the emperor in ROTS can be corrected (in part) by altering the proportions of his face. Another thing to do is to make the glow of his eyes a lot softer.

Doing this you won't be getting an exact replica of the ROTJ emperor but he'd be far more similar to it, and you could always blame the 25 years of aging between the events in ROTS and ROTJ for the differences between the "young" emperor of the PT and the OT one.

Check the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUBodCHtMBU

Bingowings said:

I remember that idea from somewhere...(I'd imagine it was suggested long before then too) :-)

I copy/pasted it straight from spence ROTJ thread (though the suggestion I think was even older than Spence's edit), and I meant to suggest exactly what Xhonzi said :)

Well, considering Ady's prequels will be OTish, Adywan could put some elements of HIS prequels into ROTJ:R without betraying himself, couldn't he?

For instance, I read he's willing to replace the imperial shuttle in which Han flies to Endor with another shuttle. We know from the movie things like the shuttle calls the attention of the imperial officer by some reason, and that it has "an old security code" by the time of ROTJ.

Now suppose Ady finds, or designs, or inserts in PT:R some ship meant to be a Republic shuttle, then he could use it again in ROTJ:R as the old ship the rebels use to infiltrate...