Mithrandir

Well, considering Ady's prequels will be OTish, Adywan could put some elements of HIS prequels into ROTJ:R without betraying himself, couldn't he?

For instance, I read he's willing to replace the imperial shuttle in which Han flies to Endor with another shuttle. We know from the movie things like the shuttle calls the attention of the imperial officer by some reason, and that it has "an old security code" by the time of ROTJ.

Now suppose Ady finds, or designs, or inserts in PT:R some ship meant to be a Republic shuttle, then he could use it again in ROTJ:R as the old ship the rebels use to infiltrate...

There's a part of the duel when Vader has Luke's sabre. He's got his own red sabre in a hand, but there was some mock up that showed him handing actually both his sabre and luke's both of them turned on. I think this could be more menacing; and what's more, perhaps when Luke attacks Vader in anger, he could grab Vaders lightsabre and defeat his father with that weapon just as a way to increase that feeling of "everything's going bad" you say you wanna give to the movie.

In the PT we've seen plenty of duels with people holding two weapons. ROTJ's duel had its "new toy" by being the only duel in the OT with music, but even in Ady's revisited series, it has lost that status. So perhaps having Vader (only for a while) with two sabres could make it more threatening and enhance the scene a little; and in the end, when Luke screams "never!" he'd start to fight with a red sabre, which is exactly what you're saying here.

I guess no rpvee, I think Ady might be referring to a common PT "plot" phase, where all three movies could be worked as a whole in order to improve the story arc and see what works and what doesn't, while there could still be a time after that, when the movies are treated individually, a "technical" phase (?) concerning the "classical" revisited job (enhancing mattes, Colour Correction, etc.)

But ofc, I'm just guessing, Adywan has the real answer.

adywan said:

I totally forgot the main reason i came in here in the first place. lol. I posted this earlier over in the facebook group:

OK, i have come to a major decision regarding the prequels. I will be approaching these in a completely different way to how i am with the OT. I have decided that, instead of concentrating on one movie at a time, that ALL THREE will be done simultaneously. Madness, i hear you all cry. Well, yes it is pretty insane but it's actually a pretty logical move.

Now the prequels aren't going to be like the OT:Revisited saga. With the OT it has only been minor editing changes (well part from ROTJ:R) but the PT really need a major overhaul. A LOT of editing will be done. Now working on all three will really help with this. Say, for instance, that i have an idea of how the story flows in TPM that will later affect something in say ROTS then, if i finish that one first only to find that i can't pull it off when i get to ROTS, i will hit a huge stumbling block and the whole trilogy would fall apart. This way i can make sure that this doesn't happen as i will be able to try the changes out in the later films as i work on the first. Plus, as many of the locations are featured in all three films, and miniatures i need to build can be all filmed and used for each movie without the chance that these will either get damaged or that i won't have the room to store everything. And another thing, i will most likely need to film extra scenes/ inserts and if i needed someone for a character in TPM and then later in AOTC/ ROTS there is the chance that this person/ persons wouldn't be available and could put a stop me being able to finish what i started.

So there you go. Complete and utter madness and a huge workload but this can be done and is really the only possible way i can accomplish what i want to do with the prequels.

That's the logical thing to do if you have the means and time to sink in such a huge challenge like PT:R.

I think we're all curious about how's Adywan like when he goes radical :)

What I said, the general notion we got of the empire as a political entity is that it's against democracy.

You can't state it's an ultra leftist autocratic state like the USSR, or a right-wing dictatorship like the nazis with the material we currently have.

But, whatever, it's a radical idea so far so I guess why not? (Although I still think it wouldn't work).

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About Jaitea's comment on the engines I agree with Bingo, the Falcon isn't willingly going to the Death Star, and that should be reflected on the footage.

Ender, socialism claims itself as the "true" form of democracy. It's just another interpretation of the word "democracy", you can share it or not. It's aplication in the real world, has commonly derived in autocratic governments, ergo the socialist system has flaws, as well as capitalism has its own flaws (poverty, exclusion, etc.).

But you can always remain with the theory, and its allegiance to democracy (a very particular sense of democracy).  The nazis, on the other hand, defined theirselves as an anti-democratic movement... Which is why they are more easily accepted as the bad guys anywhere in the world you can be.

So summing up, OT feels universal because the bad guys are universally evil. Not politically evil. The Empire is against life itself, not against free market, and that's why you, and a cuban could feel the same way towards SW.

I just find it hard to express these kind of things in a foreign language, and just wanna point out that the aim of this post wasn't to keep on with the off-topic but to (intend to) make a point about the universality of a story, and the risk of destroying it.

PS: I just found out you could (considering my english isn't pretty good) read this better in JRR Tolkien's "On fairy tales" and "Letters". (when he speaks of allegories).

As long as I was reading your post Bingo, the same idea you posted came to mind!

You could make Coruscant be the target of the new DS, so we all would know what its destruction would imply, but with no need of including brand new scenes to the movie. The Rebels would be desperate to save the old republic's capital. 

However, you would still have to find a reason for the Empire to destroy its core. And what's more, the idea of a planet in danger of being blown up would make ROTJ even more similar to ANH (Yavin)

Exactly, which is why I'm saying, Empire's bad because of authoritarism, not because of nationalizing. Anyway, in spite of how in favour or against common property we may be, I think the more you establish about the Empire, the more you PTize the original trilogy plot.

OT is a fairytale because the plot is simple. The Empire is evil because it's evil.

Remember the feeling of ObiWan screaming "my allegiance is to the republic, to democracy"?? Well, I think it'd be a rough call to bring that same feeling to the OT.

Harmy said:

... it gives you a much needed idea about why the Empire is so bad and it has a great pay-off in the Yavin battle, when Biggs dies.

"The empire already starting natiolalizing commerce in the central systems"... The Empire's bad because it's socialist?? Really?

I like the idea of putting Tarkin alone there, to emphatize the autocracy that the Empire represents. Could you illuminate the room a little more, using imperial lighting on some walls or something ?

We all prefer the old school look. But we got PT instead. Our aim here is to make the add-on unnoticeable.

I'm glad that you chose to serve equalise the colorimetry cutter 

The colours in padme's shot give the clue that the shot is from another movie. You plan to do something about that cutter? Maybe increasing the saturation?

I'm not saying the line is bad delivered. I said that it doesn't feel right that han waits 3PO to end his line to answer.

Put yourself in that situation, and in han's mood (anxious, impatient, and knowing that 3PO is some kind of sheldon cooper (?)). You'd interrupt 3PO mainly because you just think most of what he says is bull.

I don't think that just trimming the end of 3PO line just to make han's attitude towards the droid match the tone of "never tell me the odds" (which is all what I suggested; I didn't ever suggest touching han's line at all) would be a Han-shots-first case. But who knows.

And yes, I know that revisited should be taken as an enhancement and not as a fan-edit, which is why I have written that the suggestion might not match in its origin what Ady's aiming at.

Is it possible to make Han interrupt at least just for a second 3PO when he's speaking about the possibilities of surviving an asteroid field?. It's one of the few moments of ESB that doesn't feel right for me.

C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3720 to 1.

Han Solo: Never tell me the odds.

Han says "never tell me the odds" quite angry. If the line would have been delivered in an ironical, or sarchastic way then I find it believable that Han waited till 3PO ended up his prhase to say "never tell me the odds". But by the way it was actually delivered, it could be better:

C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3720...

Han Solo: NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS.

I don't know whether this suggestion would be considered invasive for what the revisited series propose, though.

I've been reading some stuff about the EE being on two discs. I think that even if a BD has room enough to store the whole movie as long as the EE, there are two things that are mixing here into the final decission of splitting them.

One is the possibility of offering a better quality final product, with a higher bitrate and stuff. In spite off being very well known and successful, I guess Peter Jackson still cares for his movies (I can't tell whether he does for interest or because he's a LOTR fan himself).

The other thing that I think influenced the decission of having the movies in two discs is that EE are mainly made for LOTR fans. The content tries to be closer to the books (well... you know) and I think the packaging and organisation of the set of discs intended to mirror that. For every book of LOTR, JRR Tolkien established two "books" as subdivisions. Therefore if you read Fellowship of the Rings, you'll have Book I and II, TTT books III and IV and ROTK books V and VI. So I guess the possibility of offering the movies in two discs each is a nice wink to that.

Angel said:

A quick idea i did fast :)

They arriving at the planet at night(dramatic lights) they attack at night (one shot) and the ceremony are at dawn.

Besides the hangar is way to dark so it can sell the concept

( i think one of Mc's paintings had a shot at night)

 

 How long till this is done ??? :D

John Lennon usually said he decided to leave the Beatles when he realised that "at thirty, you don't wanna make everything with the "boys", you don't wanna belong to a gang, you don't wanna play football with your friends for a life long; you just wanna have your woman on your side. In spite of sharing or not that point of view, I guess that's what the passage of the book was about in the end, or what Palpatine tried to show Anakin.

The Cutter said:

Jacobss said:

I would remove everything about Obi-Wan. We see just Padme getting onboard and starting.

 +1

 

Yes I got what you mean - and don't worry, everything that could be improve with the music will be...more tension, more emotion.

I'm working right now on something I've always wanted  : Obi-wan and Anakin's theme (or Master and Apprentice)...a friendship theme.

it is impossible to really increase the feeling of friendship between the two Jedi by just working the cut. Only the music can do that, a new leitmotiv.

if I can reach exactly what I want, this new theme will appear in AOTC and ROTS. It will support some dialogues between them  and bring more emotion.

I always though some innocent (?) melody could be done by reworking the melody of Anakin's dark deeds. Changing maybe one or two notes of the main melody, changin the instrumentation and get a mood very similar to the droids theme. You know, for funny moments (which don't have to be between Anakin and ObiWan). What I mean with this is, preserving some melodies and using them in a different way. Have you tried reworking the battle of the heros melody so to get something optimistic? Or you're working on something completely new?

Oh, you meant EPII by beginning of the war... I think that would work in both ways. Putting it here I think it acts as a reminder of what happened before, and as a way to serve the new scroll. Although I don't know, it could work in AOTC too. Other ideas I had to strenghten ObiWan and Anakin's friendship were chained to the "almost fracture" in the Order (remember the "no" gesture?). If you put a resolution to the idea of serving oor not in AOTC, there's no disagreement within the order by ROTS. I don't know how much of that you're taking for your edit. However, you're always free to take the idea, and draw it with your own hand, or even drawing the part of it that you liked for the most, it's your edit :)

But having you considering putting that line in EPII, I guess that could be interpreted as your official statement that you'll eventually get to AOTC?? :)

The Cutter said:

The Cutter said:

  

but I have a problem with " I'm glad u chose to serve..." because it's something that should be said in the beginning of the war, not the end...isn't it ?

 

 

what do u think about this ?

 I agree with you, it's something that should be said at the beginning. I don't feel comfortable with the answer "I agree". That's why I thought of this dialogue...

Obi-wan : "Anakin, do you copy? The chancellor signal is coming from right there"

Anakin : "I'm glad that you chose to serve, master (but) Don't worry (and)Take a deep breath."

Obi-wan : "I knew you would say something like that " (if possible, if not, we'd have to figure out something else).

little pause

Anakin : "Obi-wan... may the force be with you" [with us would be even better]

Obi-wan : "thank you brother, may the force be with you"

I have put "..." between "ObiWan" and "may the force be with you" in the last Anakin's line because, the way I'm immagining it, it implies Anakin cutting the joking and speaking seriously. This could be even boosted more with some minimal change in the score (if you decided to put the dialogue during the flyby and not at the very beginning of the movie.

Yes, I was exceded, OW and Anakin's joking around must have a limit. However I think that doesn't affect the last dialogue I suggested you (avoiding the "fun" line, of course).

I can't tell the episode, but it's in SW.com's soundboards.

Regarding the dialogue, what about:

Obi-wan : "Anakin, do you copy? The chancellor signal is coming from right there"

Anakin : "This is where the fun begins, master. I'm glad that you chose to serve.

Obi-wan : "I knew you would say something like that " (if possible, if not, we'd have to figure out something else).

Anakin: Don't worry. Take a deep breath.

little pause

Anakin : "Obi-wan... may the force be with you" [with us would be even better]

Obi-wan : "thank you brother, may the force be with you"

"This is where the fun begins" is a line you could add to the dialogue, however if you don't, it just wouldn't affect the rest of the dialogue).

Regarding "I know you would say something like that", in this structure of dialogue I've made, it's a rather important piece.

I have put "..." between "ObiWan" and "may the force be with you" because, the way I'm immagining it, it implies Anakin cutting the joking and speaking seriously. This could be even boosted more with some minimal change in the score (if you decided to put the dialogue during the flyby and not at the very beginning of the movie.

Back to the battle over coruscant, there's a line of CloneWar's ObiWan that could be the "Obiwansy" line I think you need to complete the dialogue: "I thought you might say that",

I just don't know how to download it, but perhaps equalizing it a little, and putting the radio FX that would act as a curtain, we could buy it's Ewan McGregor's voice.

You could also add to it (before the line) the little laughter of obiwan in the elevator in AOTC, just to increase the good mood feeling

Or it could be the classical "I've a bad feeling about this".