MikeWW

SilverWook said:

There might be wiggle room on that as Yoda looks a tad younger in TLJ, or at least happier.

Luke probably didn’t know what young Anakin even looked like at the time, but Kylo worships his grandfather so either form could appear to him and make more sense than the SE change.

But seeing as Kylo is based on Hayden’s Anakin in many ways, having some kind of CG-Sebatsian-Shaw-voiced-by-Matt-Lanter monstrosity would be lame IMO.

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

Looks at name of forum, then your post, then at name of forum again and goes cross-eyed.

The Star Wars SEs have more questionable stuff in them than THX 2004 does IMO.
The effects are less dodgy, most of it doesn’t change the tone, and like the best SE changes, it makes the world feel less low budget. The THX working scenes feel a lot better with people out of focus in the background all toiling away too.

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

ChainsawAsh said:

What? No he didn’t. Ewan isn’t featured in the SE in any way, shape, or form. He was in the PT, and the ST also references Darth Sidious, which is another PT invention. I’ve made my peace with the PT through fan edits, so these things are fine with me.

And Alec Guinness is in TFA too, in the same line as Ewan. (Guinness says “Rey” and Ewan says “these are your first steps.”) So I really don’t understand your point with Ewan’s TFA line.

And I don’t give two shits what is officially canon or not. The OOT works with zero problems with the ST. Until something appears in an ST film that only works because of an SE change, either version of the OT is on equal footing canon wise, and I choose the original version.

I…? Ewan McGregor played Hayden Christensen’s master.
And what “authority” are you using? Because both the creator and the current owners say the SE is canon.

ChainsawAsh said:

The style is irrelevant.

Did Starkiller Base have a stupid ring around it when it exploded? Nope.

Was there a scene on Cloud City depicting the SE windows instead of the OT windowless hallways? Nope.

Was there a Sarlacc on Jakku with a stupid beak? Nope.

Has Hayden Christensen showed up as the ghost of Anakin? Nope.

Nothing depicted in the post-Disney films requires the SE versions of the OT in order to work. Therefore, either version of the OT could be canon at this point, regardless of which version is “officially” canon.

I don’t get your logic. Disney has said the SEs are canon, therefore they are canon to the ST.

Oh another one could be- Ewan McGregor was in TFA, and he played the Master of SE Anakin.

snooker said:

There is nothing in the text of the new films that there’s a Hayden ghost or that Jedi Rocks exists. Quoting shots from the SE isn’t at all a declaration of support from the filmmakers.

The filmmaking method is also more similar to the SEs. Seeing the people on Hosnian prime as it blows up was not in the style of the original films, it was in the style of the SE Cloud City crowd shots.

ChainsawAsh said:

The new movies have very deliberately sidestepped which version of the OT is canon. If they take a stance, and that stance is the SE is canon, I’m out.

?
Lucasfilm has said that the SEs are the canon versions.
Heck, TFA even copied an SE shot. When Finn looks at Nima from a distance, it has ships flying around it like the SE matte painting of Mos Eisley does.

ChainsawAsh said:

MikeWW said:

jajje said:

…and Warwick Davis himself has confirmed that they used him as a kind of Yoda stand-in for one scene in TPM, walking in a long shot, and obviously it was kept in the movie, and that whole sequence with fake-Mace also, seems kind of botched together, perhaps last-minute. Been a long time since I managed to sit through the whole ending of TPM.

Wdym? TPM is probably the best non OT movie.

Not by a long shot.

It’s the best prequel, but it’s still a terrible movie.

I disagree. I think in many ways it’s less slapdash than ANH, let alone TFA.
ANH has this problem of brushing aside characters feelings. Like, if Leia’s planet blew up, I’d expect more than “we have no time for sorrows commander”.

Random observation having just watched THX 1138- What’s weird is that THX 1138 and The Phantom Menace are both more slick than ANH.
Hell, THX feels more like ESB than ANH does.

ChainsawAsh said:

Too many people would be pissed if it was Hayden (canonizing the 2004/2011 SE), and too many people would be pissed if it was an actor who looked like Sebastian Shaw (canonizing the 1983 TC/1997 SE/giving a middle finger to the PT).

It’s a no-win situation to use Anakin’s ghost.

I realize that’s the dilemma, but seeing as the SE’s are already canon, they should just do it.
Why create a character who worships Vader and then ignore the most interesting interaction he could have?

I can’t believe they haven’t had Kylo talk to Anakin’s ghost yet.
I understand that JJ wouldn’t do that, but I’m surprised Johnson didn’t.

Ashdogg said:

Really interesting thread. I was watching a video on YouTube about whether fans are too hard on George Lucas, that are we to blame as to why Disney is now at the helm? But I remember all the criticisms that George has made over the years about Hollywood, that executives don’t know a decent movie when they get one. That it’s our fault that we don’t like “experimental” movies. I also remember how hyped all the fans were in 1999… and all the Jar Jar merch… yet all we wanted was a good movie. Are the fans too hard on George? I don’t think so. I don’t think we’re the reason why he sold his company. From my observations, fans are just giving their honest opinions.

Honestly I think the double standards are a huge part of why he sold the company.
I’ll use an Indiana Jones example.
The fridge nuke scene is no more ridiculous than the pontoon raft airplane escape scene in Temple of Doom, and yet…

Latter day Lucas movies aren’t perfect, but I think the fans are extremely over the top.

snooker said:

While TPM is the best prequel movie, its ending is sort of incredibly boring. I don’t like the whole Victory Ceremony scene.

Oh, I disagree. I think the music is great, before that the “watch your career” line is great. The coming together of the Naboo and Gungans brings the duality theme of the movie full circle. (Supporting that, I’m pretty sure the glowing ball represents Midichlorians in a very general way).

The Gungan CG is a little dated, but that’s about it IMO.

jajje said:

…and Warwick Davis himself has confirmed that they used him as a kind of Yoda stand-in for one scene in TPM, walking in a long shot, and obviously it was kept in the movie, and that whole sequence with fake-Mace also, seems kind of botched together, perhaps last-minute. Been a long time since I managed to sit through the whole ending of TPM.

Wdym? TPM is probably the best non OT movie.

ray_afraid said:

snooker said:

Most sets had mostly practical elements? Compositing was mostly done to extend sets rather than as a substitute for them entirely?

I remember a scene by a lake where Obi-Wan & Gin are talking. Ewans hair changes several times between cuts. I dunno if it’s a wig or if his hair had started to grow out by time of re-shoots and they thought nobody would notice.

That scene is the only time the TPM reshoots bother me. All the others look fine, but Ewan looks bloated in that scene.

snooker said:

That scene was shot on a bluescreen during reshoots, judging by Ewan’s wig.

Why do TPM’s compositing effects look better than AotC’s??

SilverWook said:

I never noticed Fake Mace in Episode One until someone pointed it out. It was a while before I noticed Yoda walking down the ramp in that scene as well, and it looks exactly like a little person in a suit. It may or may not be in the current version of the film though.

Why George didn’t go back and tweak these when he’s concerned about the roof of a Wookiee hut in ROTS is a mystery.

I find fake Mace hilarious and I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me either.

DominicCobb said:

MikeWW said:

DominicCobb said:

MikeWW said:

Reminder that Rey has CTE. Her parents dumped her on Jakku at 5/6/7 years old yet she doesn’t know who they are.

Except she does know who they are.

Clearly not, since those people in the flashback flew away, they didn’t die in a pauper’s grave in the Jakku desert.

You don’t know that.

I don’t that they won’t retcon it, but I’m going off the current facts.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

We’ll yeah, but for what purpose? Why was this shot of Windu needed? Was it really the only “reaction” shot available?

To give emphasis to their imminent death. Kind of a “Windu mindset” shot.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

DominicCobb said:

There’s a lot more effects shots in these movies than we realize. Most scenes have had split screens done (to manipulate actors timing and pull from multiple takes within a single shot), not to mention who knows what other sort of shenanigans. That shot has definitely been altered a good bit.

Yeah…in fact, here’s another shot I noticed years ago in AOTC (again, watch the bluray for a better look):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unAu-1H-otA

After Dooku says, “I’m sorry old friend” and the droids re-engage their “arm blasters”, the next shot of Mace Windu turning his head look…off. I originally thought the footage was reversed, but watching it again now, that doesn’t seem to be the case. I just think it was slowed down. Everything else seems to be at a normal speed…then again, no one else makes a sudden movement like Windu does…plus Windu easily could’ve been filmed separately.

I’ve always noticed that but I assumed it was done on purpose.

DominicCobb said:

MikeWW said:

Reminder that Rey has CTE. Her parents dumped her on Jakku at 5/6/7 years old yet she doesn’t know who they are.

Except she does know who they are.

Clearly not, since those people in the flashback flew away, they didn’t die in a pauper’s grave in the Jakku desert.

Allow me to explain myself. Rey was left on Jakku at an age where she would have a clear memory of her parents.
Ergo ipso facto, she got hit on the head.

Reminder that Rey has CTE. Her parents dumped her on Jakku at 5/6/7 years old yet she doesn’t know who they are.

-The Gungans that Anakin and Padme pass by while hauling their luggage to the palace are speaking with TPM Gungan audio- “Holy goosa madada”

-The little bubble pods that the clone troopers sit in on the gunships fire a laser that looks a lot like the Death Star laser

This could bump the film up a few points, theoretically. Attack of The Clones biggest problem is probably the visuals. The Tatooine scenes are already some of the best looking, but imagine the scene at Shmi’s grave with a layer of film grain.
Oooh la la!

This would be awesome to have. This is so cool.