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Mike O
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- The Trekkies Are Unbelievable
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- This guy will not be buying the DVDs
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
On the other hand, try to see it from his perspective. He was the one who put everything on the line to make the O-OT in the first place. Mortgaging his property, waiving his directorial fees, working himself into a nervous breakdown in an attempt to make the original Star Wars. The money we gave him for bringing ANH to the world wasn't really spent on the sequels, it was spent on the original film. He then took the money he made from that (the really freaking hard way) and put all of it back into ESB and his companies that helped him make it. When we bought into that movie, we weren't giving Lucas money to make ROTJ, we were giving him his invested money back plus profit because he gave us ESB. And so on and so forth. It seems to me like with each film in this series, Lucas brought the film to the table first, and we in turn rewarded him with our money and support. So it's not like he was ever really operating at a deficet with us.
Add to that the fact that not everyone who wasn't impressed with the SE/Prequels (the people who would want the O-OT on DVD the most) has been very polite about expressing themselves about it, and I don't think it's really that hard to understand his hesitation to spend more money on a group of people who tend to put him down all the time. To him, the money we spent in the past was for stuff he already gave us in the past.
While I think it would be nicer of him to come up with the new transfer, I really don't think he owes us that.
Originally posted by: Mike O
And the people who gave him millions of dollars to that he could even make the SEs? What about us? The fans? The ones who make the sequels, the prequels, the SEs, and everything else related to SW even possible? A restoration could be performed. Millions of people want it. There is a simple way to meet in the middle here. Release a proper restoration of the OOT. I'll buy it, and so will countless others. Then I have what I want, and Lucas can do whatever he wants to the SEs and the PT. (I don't hate them. Quite the contrary). Everybody's happy. Only Lucas won't do it. Robert A. Harris, the film restoration expert who restored Lawrence of Arabia and Vertigo, among others, volunteered, and Lucas wouldn't let him. Lucas just doesn't want to do this. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. I'm just stating a fact. And that, to my mind, after I've spent tons of money on his products, is insulting.
I am fully behind getting a new anamorphic transfer of the O-OT. I always felt it was a little selfish of Lucas to just sweep the O-OT under the rug the way he has. If it's just a matter of spending a little more to make it happen, then I agree Lucas should do that out of respect for the fans who really got behind these movies when they were first released.And the people who gave him millions of dollars to that he could even make the SEs? What about us? The fans? The ones who make the sequels, the prequels, the SEs, and everything else related to SW even possible? A restoration could be performed. Millions of people want it. There is a simple way to meet in the middle here. Release a proper restoration of the OOT. I'll buy it, and so will countless others. Then I have what I want, and Lucas can do whatever he wants to the SEs and the PT. (I don't hate them. Quite the contrary). Everybody's happy. Only Lucas won't do it. Robert A. Harris, the film restoration expert who restored Lawrence of Arabia and Vertigo, among others, volunteered, and Lucas wouldn't let him. Lucas just doesn't want to do this. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. I'm just stating a fact. And that, to my mind, after I've spent tons of money on his products, is insulting.
On the other hand, try to see it from his perspective. He was the one who put everything on the line to make the O-OT in the first place. Mortgaging his property, waiving his directorial fees, working himself into a nervous breakdown in an attempt to make the original Star Wars. The money we gave him for bringing ANH to the world wasn't really spent on the sequels, it was spent on the original film. He then took the money he made from that (the really freaking hard way) and put all of it back into ESB and his companies that helped him make it. When we bought into that movie, we weren't giving Lucas money to make ROTJ, we were giving him his invested money back plus profit because he gave us ESB. And so on and so forth. It seems to me like with each film in this series, Lucas brought the film to the table first, and we in turn rewarded him with our money and support. So it's not like he was ever really operating at a deficet with us.
Add to that the fact that not everyone who wasn't impressed with the SE/Prequels (the people who would want the O-OT on DVD the most) has been very polite about expressing themselves about it, and I don't think it's really that hard to understand his hesitation to spend more money on a group of people who tend to put him down all the time. To him, the money we spent in the past was for stuff he already gave us in the past.
While I think it would be nicer of him to come up with the new transfer, I really don't think he owes us that.
As we're the reason he's a multi-millionare and the reason that ESB, ROTJ, the PT, and the SEs exist, I do think that he owes it to us. I don't entirely understand why he feels the way that he does, but I certainly respect it. To me it is a case of the restored OOT. I want that. Once I have that, I will watch that and be happy, and he can do whatever he wants with the SEs and the PT. I certainly bear the man no ill will. I wish him a long, happy, healthy life. But there is currently no restored and remastered OOT available, which means that it's difficult to agree to disagree. Lucas doesn't want people to prefer the OOT. Many people do.
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- #245136
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- Ideas for the inevitable Super-Mega-Special-Ultimate 2007 Boxset
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
I don't care if they put a cute, purple Twi'lek female in there who's willing to f**k my ever loving brains out 10 times a day...if it doesn't have a remastered OOT in anamorphic....I ain't buyin' the filthy motherf**ker.....
I don't care if they put a cute, purple Twi'lek female in there who's willing to f**k my ever loving brains out 10 times a day...if it doesn't have a remastered OOT in anamorphic....I ain't buyin' the filthy motherf**ker.....
I wouldn't quite phrase it that way, I feel the same. If it has a good release of the OOT, then I'll but it and be interested in Star Wars and Lucasfilm products again. Otherwise, my answer is the same as it will be to all LFL products, with the possible exception of Indy 4, until I see an OOT DVD release: "that's nice."
And no burned in subtitles!!
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- #244752
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- BEAUTIFUL WOMEN NEW RULES IN FIRST POST (NSFW) UPDATED RULES
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
It can be whatever you want it to be.
Kimberly Williams, who turns 35 today. Happy birthday to ya, Kim!
Ashley Williams
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Damn. I thought that was Jada Pinkett-Smith for a moment there.
Damn. I thought that was Jada Pinkett-Smith for a moment there.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
It can be whatever you want it to be.
Kimberly Williams, who turns 35 today. Happy birthday to ya, Kim!
Ashley Williams
Oh, Kaley from Serenity! Sorry, went fanboy there for a sec.
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- #244751
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- The Other side of the 30th Anniversary
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244751/action/topic#244751
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- This guy will not be buying the DVDs
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- #244739
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- SW.com: "First and ONLY TIme"
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
Again, although a dirty trick and not at all fair to the fans IMO, they were pretty truthful in regards to the OUT. "For the last time on VHS..." is what I recall one of the adds saying when the "Faces" set came out. And even though the SEs came out on VHS years later also, they weren't the OUT, so there was no false advertising there.
I just read recently about a whole bunch of releases coming to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. The studios won't continue to dump money into two seperate formats for long IMO so I imagine something is going to happen soon to create a clear winner. Because of this, IF we see the OUT again, I stand by my statements and think it will be on the next format (again, 30th Anniv. aside).
Originally posted by: ESHBG
But it really WAS "one last time" when you think about it, because the SEs are not the OUT; until now, the Faces set was the last time we saw the OUT...
Originally posted by: Number20
I'm not sure that this is the only time we will ever see the O-OT/OUT on DVD. Not counting a potential HD-DVD/blu-ray release, Lucasfilm hasn't exactly stuck by its past statements. Lucas swore at one point that Star Wars would never be released in any home video format because the only way to see it is in theatres. Then there is the famous "one last time" promotion for the 'Faces' release before the SEs came about. And I'm sure there have been others. Don't get too excited by a statement saying never again. It doesn't mean anything.
I'm not sure that this is the only time we will ever see the O-OT/OUT on DVD. Not counting a potential HD-DVD/blu-ray release, Lucasfilm hasn't exactly stuck by its past statements. Lucas swore at one point that Star Wars would never be released in any home video format because the only way to see it is in theatres. Then there is the famous "one last time" promotion for the 'Faces' release before the SEs came about. And I'm sure there have been others. Don't get too excited by a statement saying never again. It doesn't mean anything.
But it really WAS "one last time" when you think about it, because the SEs are not the OUT; until now, the Faces set was the last time we saw the OUT...
Again, although a dirty trick and not at all fair to the fans IMO, they were pretty truthful in regards to the OUT. "For the last time on VHS..." is what I recall one of the adds saying when the "Faces" set came out. And even though the SEs came out on VHS years later also, they weren't the OUT, so there was no false advertising there.
I just read recently about a whole bunch of releases coming to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. The studios won't continue to dump money into two seperate formats for long IMO so I imagine something is going to happen soon to create a clear winner. Because of this, IF we see the OUT again, I stand by my statements and think it will be on the next format (again, 30th Anniv. aside).
Well, I hope that we WILL.
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- #244738
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- POLL: So Who Bought Them & Who Didn't? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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Originally posted by: THX
They are the best available home video edition of the OUT. Nuff said.
They are the best available home video edition of the OUT. Nuff said.
So far
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- #244682
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- The Other side of the 30th Anniversary
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Wow, did this sleeping-dog thread just get revived for the sake of that???
Wow, did this sleeping-dog thread just get revived for the sake of that???
I just wanted to talk to mverta.
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- #244681
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- Amazon Top 100 Ratings for the OOT DVDs
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
As of the time I write this:
SW #9
ESB #12
ROTJ #13
Take that Lucas!!!!
EDIT: Forgot to include the source! Click Here
As of the time I write this:
SW #9
ESB #12
ROTJ #13
Take that Lucas!!!!
EDIT: Forgot to include the source! Click Here
Let's hope he doesn't say that now that the people who wanted the OOT have, and he is not going to release it anymore.
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- #244679
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- First Impressions of the OOT ...
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Originally posted by: mverta
It's just you There are a few of us - with access, confidences, materials, and lifelong love for the preservation of Star Wars - who can't come right out and say how we know what we know about all sorts of things related to these movies and the various releases, for all sorts of painfully obvious reasons. Especially if, like me, you actually work on Lucasfilm Star Wars projects. Major pissing-in-the-pool action there. But occasionally, a few of us try and drop some subtle truths into the sea of speculation that exists in places like this. The result, increasingly, is that we get slammed, and the truth gets buried. Which is so depressing I almost can't deal. It's irony writ large, watching the community cannibalize itself. But that's life. In this particular discussion, I've taken my dog out of the race, but I tried. If you're serious about the truth, and the preservation/restoration of Star Wars, I've shown you something very important. Hope springs eternal, though... I'll probably try again sometime.
_Mike
Originally posted by: Mike O
Is it just me, or is mverta really intimidating?
Is it just me, or is mverta really intimidating?
It's just you
There are a few of us - with access, confidences, materials, and lifelong love for the preservation of Star Wars - who can't come right out and say how we know what we know about all sorts of things related to these movies and the various releases, for all sorts of painfully obvious reasons. Especially if, like me, you actually work on Lucasfilm Star Wars projects. Major pissing-in-the-pool action there. But occasionally, a few of us try and drop some subtle truths into the sea of speculation that exists in places like this. The result, increasingly, is that we get slammed, and the truth gets buried. Which is so depressing I almost can't deal. It's irony writ large, watching the community cannibalize itself. But that's life. In this particular discussion, I've taken my dog out of the race, but I tried. If you're serious about the truth, and the preservation/restoration of Star Wars, I've shown you something very important. Hope springs eternal, though... I'll probably try again sometime. _Mike
Do you think that we'll ever see a proper release. And I still find you intimidating
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Originally posted by: Rob
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.
Yes, but I don't see a problem with fan edits for this reason: There are high quality versions of the originals available. I'd have no problem with the SEs if I could have a properly restored and remastered OOT set. Only so many people see fan edits anyways. Lucas is trying to alter history for everyone. I'm not calling Lucas and asshole. I'm just saying that fan-edits are hardly different from what he has done.
Get over what? Three most popular and inflential films ever made being given shoddy treatment. No, I won't. Can I ask you something? Do you think that you could make a film for 7 grand that would become a blockbuster and tour the festival circut? I sure as hell couldn't. Rodiguez is the exception, not the rule. And El Maricahi is fun, but it's no masterpiece. A good movie? By that same token I shouldn't even be allowed to criticize a film until I've made my own, correct? You still haven't answered the crux of my question Why is it OK for Lucas to mess up other peoples' work and not me? If faneditors do desecrate someone's work, as you seem to think, then it doesn't matter, because I can watch the original. Lucas has not given anyone that option.
And I'm not making or buying fan edits.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.
Yes, but I don't see a problem with fan edits for this reason: There are high quality versions of the originals available. I'd have no problem with the SEs if I could have a properly restored and remastered OOT set. Only so many people see fan edits anyways. Lucas is trying to alter history for everyone. I'm not calling Lucas and asshole. I'm just saying that fan-edits are hardly different from what he has done.
Originally posted by: Rob
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.
Sebastian Shaw. Star Wars, not Jaws.
Then if you're making/buying fan-edits you're pissing over all the work the hundreds of people put into it. And again, with the bad "transfer"... god, get over it.
And not having the money to make a movie is an excuse that doesn't hold water. Robert Rodriquez made a movie on film for 7 grand. He would've done it for next to nothing today with digital cameras and desktop editing progams that are standard on Macs now. Go make a movie, don't fuck up someone else's.
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.
Sebastian Shaw
. Star Wars, not Jaws. Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen.
Originally posted by: Mike O
King of like what Lucas did to the work of Marquad, Kershner, Kurtz, and millions of craftsmen when he made the SEs, right before claiming that the originals "don't exist" and then releasing them with a substandard transfer? If he, a multibillion, can do it to the mainstream, what's wrong with fans sharing something with each other? I have the balls to make something of my own. Just not the money. I've never made or seen a fan edit, I'm just making a point.
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen. Really? Maybe I haven't seen those web sites. The ones I have seen appear to operate under the speculation that Lucas is lying about not having any quality prints laying around.
I agree he probably could cobble something together and clean the ever living crap out of it to produce a nice anamorphic transfer, but I also see his point about not wanting to bother with that considering how much time and effort he has put into getting away from the pre-se versions.
And the people who gave him millions of dollars to that he could even make the SEs? What about us? The fans? The ones who make the sequels, the prequels, the SEs, and everything else related to SW even possible? A restoration could be performed. Millions of people want it. There is a simple way to meet in the middle here. Release a proper restoration of the OOT. I'll buy it, and so will countless others. Then I have what I want, and Lucas can do whatever he wants to the SEs and the PT. (I don't hate them. Quite the contrary). Everybody's happy. Only Lucas won't do it. Robert A. Harris, the film restoration expert who restored Lawrence of Arabia and Vertigo, among others, volunteered, and Lucas wouldn't let him. Lucas just doesn't want to do this. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. I'm just stating a fact. And that, to my mind, after I've spent tons of money on his products, is insulting.
If I'm a dick for thinking that fanboys editing other people's work is revolting, then so be it.
And Go-mer, I see your point, but fan edits are the height of fanboy hubris... its no different than painting over someone else's canvas.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen. Really? Maybe I haven't seen those web sites. The ones I have seen appear to operate under the speculation that Lucas is lying about not having any quality prints laying around.
I agree he probably could cobble something together and clean the ever living crap out of it to produce a nice anamorphic transfer, but I also see his point about not wanting to bother with that considering how much time and effort he has put into getting away from the pre-se versions.
And the people who gave him millions of dollars to that he could even make the SEs? What about us? The fans? The ones who make the sequels, the prequels, the SEs, and everything else related to SW even possible? A restoration could be performed. Millions of people want it. There is a simple way to meet in the middle here. Release a proper restoration of the OOT. I'll buy it, and so will countless others. Then I have what I want, and Lucas can do whatever he wants to the SEs and the PT. (I don't hate them. Quite the contrary). Everybody's happy. Only Lucas won't do it. Robert A. Harris, the film restoration expert who restored Lawrence of Arabia and Vertigo, among others, volunteered, and Lucas wouldn't let him. Lucas just doesn't want to do this. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. I'm just stating a fact. And that, to my mind, after I've spent tons of money on his products, is insulting.
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Rob
Zing...Man you're quick. Why don't you and Go-Mer-Tonic go back to your home on a-hole island.
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Rob
Zing...Man you're quick. Why don't you and Go-Mer-Tonic go back to your home on a-hole island.
If I'm a dick for thinking that fanboys editing other people's work is revolting, then so be it.
And Go-mer, I see your point, but fan edits are the height of fanboy hubris... its no different than painting over someone else's canvas.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
King of like what Lucas did to the work of Marquad, Kershner, Kurtz, and millions of craftsmen when he made the SEs, right before claiming that the originals "don't exist" and then releasing them with a substandard transfer? If he, a multibillion, can do it to the mainstream, what's wrong with fans sharing something with each other? I have the balls to make something of my own. Just not the money. I've never made or seen a fan edit, I'm just making a point.
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen.
Then if you're making/buying fan-edits you're pissing over all the work the hundreds of people put into it. And again, with the bad "transfer"... god, get over it.
And not having the money to make a movie is an excuse that doesn't hold water. Robert Rodriquez made a movie on film for 7 grand. He would've done it for next to nothing today with digital cameras and desktop editing progams that are standard on Macs now. Go make a movie, don't fuck up someone else's.
Get over what? Three most popular and inflential films ever made being given shoddy treatment. No, I won't. Can I ask you something? Do you think that you could make a film for 7 grand that would become a blockbuster and tour the festival circut? I sure as hell couldn't. Rodiguez is the exception, not the rule. And El Maricahi is fun, but it's no masterpiece. A good movie? By that same token I shouldn't even be allowed to criticize a film until I've made my own, correct? You still haven't answered the crux of my question Why is it OK for Lucas to mess up other peoples' work and not me? If faneditors do desecrate someone's work, as you seem to think, then it doesn't matter, because I can watch the original. Lucas has not given anyone that option.
And I'm not making or buying fan edits.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
Or perhaps it is an attempt to have fun since only 10 people will ever actually see it. I fail to see the problem. Now if you want to use the fan edit to repace the filmmaker's vision, that is not OK. But there is nothing wrong with an alternate version.
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- #244671
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- First Impressions of the OOT ...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244671/action/topic#244671
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- #244670
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- SW.com: "First and ONLY TIme"
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244670/action/topic#244670
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- #244201
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- Tune Into G4 This Afternoon...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244201/action/topic#244201
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- #244198
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- This guy will not be buying the DVDs
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244198/action/topic#244198
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Kind of like what Lucas did to the work of Marquad, Kershner, Kurtz, and millions of craftsmen when he made the SEs, right before claiming that the originals "don't exist" and then releasing them with a substandard transfer? If he, a multibillion, can do it to the mainstream, what's wrong with fans sharing something with each other? I have the balls to make something of my own. Just not the money. I've never made or seen a fan edit, I'm just making a point.
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.
Originally posted by: Rob
Zing...Man you're quick. Why don't you and Go-Mer-Tonic go back to your home on a-hole island.
If I'm a dick for thinking that fanboys editing other people's work is revolting, then so be it.
And Go-mer, I see your point, but fan edits are the height of fanboy hubris... its no different than painting over someone else's canvas.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
Zing...Man you're quick. Why don't you and Go-Mer-Tonic go back to your home on a-hole island.
If I'm a dick for thinking that fanboys editing other people's work is revolting, then so be it.
And Go-mer, I see your point, but fan edits are the height of fanboy hubris... its no different than painting over someone else's canvas.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
Kind of like what Lucas did to the work of Marquad, Kershner, Kurtz, and millions of craftsmen when he made the SEs, right before claiming that the originals "don't exist" and then releasing them with a substandard transfer? If he, a multibillion, can do it to the mainstream, what's wrong with fans sharing something with each other? I have the balls to make something of my own. Just not the money. I've never made or seen a fan edit, I'm just making a point.
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen.
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- #244190
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- Greedo is not the wimp, Han is
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244190/action/topic#244190
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- #244182
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- The Black Dahila
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- HollywoodLand
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- Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
But he's also the reason we had the O-OT to want in anamorphic DVD in the first place is all I'm saying.
I understand the disappointment and frustration, it's just unfortunate to see Star Wars fans following that path to embrace hate over this matter.
There seems to be such a low tolerance of the SE/Prequels, and I think that's a little odd coming from people who loved the OT despite a lot of people saying it sucked. From my recolleciton, I remember trying to explain why I loved the classic trilogy to some people who would just look at me like I was a mindless Lucas automoton. This is talking about the classic trilogy mind you.
Now I see a lot of people who loved the classic trilogy treating others who love the SE's/Prequels like mindless Lucas automotons.
I would think that most of us would understand the concept that different people have different tastes, and as Star Wars fans, I would think we wouldn't be so cavaleir about embracing hate over something that at the end of the day isn't about life or death, we are talking about movies here.
Great movies, but life existed just fine for decades before they came out, and if we could never see them again we would find a way to press on somehow.
Wouldn't we?
But he's also the reason we had the O-OT to want in anamorphic DVD in the first place is all I'm saying.
I understand the disappointment and frustration, it's just unfortunate to see Star Wars fans following that path to embrace hate over this matter.
There seems to be such a low tolerance of the SE/Prequels, and I think that's a little odd coming from people who loved the OT despite a lot of people saying it sucked. From my recolleciton, I remember trying to explain why I loved the classic trilogy to some people who would just look at me like I was a mindless Lucas automoton. This is talking about the classic trilogy mind you.
Now I see a lot of people who loved the classic trilogy treating others who love the SE's/Prequels like mindless Lucas automotons.
I would think that most of us would understand the concept that different people have different tastes, and as Star Wars fans, I would think we wouldn't be so cavaleir about embracing hate over something that at the end of the day isn't about life or death, we are talking about movies here.
Great movies, but life existed just fine for decades before they came out, and if we could never see them again we would find a way to press on somehow.
Wouldn't we?
I just want a decent OOT DVD release. That is all. There is no hate involved.
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- We have to buy this set atleast to preserve it for the next generation of fans
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- This guy will not be buying the DVDs
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Originally posted by: Rob
Wow, you're sort of a dick huh.
Originally posted by: JediRandy[/iPeople who make "fan edits" are disgruntled video store clerks with no balls. Go edit your own movie.
Wow, you're sort of a dick huh.
Where exacly am I going to find the millions of dollars to edit my own movie, though? Fanedits probably make for a great experience for aspiring filmakers.
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I think it would be great to get better versions of the O-OT on DVD, but I'm at least glad Lucas met us half way on this.
I don't like that argument. "Be grateful you got anything at all" is like haveing asked for food and being given moldy spam. It's food, but not good food by anyone's standards. Lucas did not meet us halfway; he did the least amount of work possible to put out a product so that he could make money. The latter is not good, bad, or indifferent. It is the former that is the problem.
Different Opinions="you're an idiot"
although an intelligent comment sneaks through the cracks now-and-then.
I don't like that argument. "Be grateful you got anything at all" is like haveing asked for food and being given moldy spam. It's food, but not good food by anyone's standards. Lucas did not meet us halfway; he did the least amount of work possible to put out a product so that he could make money. The latter is not good, bad, or indifferent. It is the former that is the problem.
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
What's happenein JadiRandi?
So is saying I have a pea-brain considered "criticism" around here? Or am I devaluing the word "hate" in this case?
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
What's happenein JadiRandi?
So is saying I have a pea-brain considered "criticism" around here? Or am I devaluing the word "hate" in this case?
Different Opinions="you're an idiot"
although an intelligent comment sneaks through the cracks now-and-then.
You're entitled to disagree. The problem is that you keep insulting the forum and its members.
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- Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Without Lucas, you would have never had these films to complain about in the first place.
I remember growing up with the original films and loving them dearly despite other people who declared them nothing but vaccuous toy commercials with no redeeming artistic quality.
Now we have people who like the classic trilogy saying the same thing about the prequels?
Just as not everyone understood what we loved about the original films, not everyone is going to understand why I love the new ones just as much.
It just amazes me hearing this total lack of consideration coming from people who saw the good in the originals.
It's because we cannot get a decent release of the originals. If I had those, then I could watch them and be perfectly happy. Then people who preferred teh SEs and the prequels could be happy. Everything would be hunky dory. Lucas won't let that happen. That's all.
About as interesting as fans of Star Wars who giddily embrace their hate for George Lucas as if it's the right thing to do.
Without Lucas, you would have never had these films to complain about in the first place.
I remember growing up with the original films and loving them dearly despite other people who declared them nothing but vaccuous toy commercials with no redeeming artistic quality.
Now we have people who like the classic trilogy saying the same thing about the prequels?
Just as not everyone understood what we loved about the original films, not everyone is going to understand why I love the new ones just as much.
It just amazes me hearing this total lack of consideration coming from people who saw the good in the originals.
It's because we cannot get a decent release of the originals. If I had those, then I could watch them and be perfectly happy. Then people who preferred teh SEs and the prequels could be happy. Everything would be hunky dory. Lucas won't let that happen. That's all.
About as interesting as fans of Star Wars who giddily embrace their hate for George Lucas as if it's the right thing to do.
It's not so much dislike of Lucas as of what he has done. He is the reason why we do not have decent OOT discs.