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#248241
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Thats actually very true. Works of art survive by the general consensus of the population. Its like the idea of a meme. If a work is not loved, then it withers away and is forgotten, for it has nothing of value to bring to society. If a work is loved then it is cherished and remembered, for it has something of value to bring to society. Society loved the OT with as much love as the public could have for a film series but its reaction to the PT was one of indifference, at best. The PT will sort of fade away, simply because society wont let it be recognized in the same category as Star Wars or the OOT. Why do you think Lucas is so worried to release the OOT? The decision to only have the OT-SE because "thats the one that is good and thats the one he wants the public to remember" smacks of insecurity at its most blatant. If it is as good as Lucas thinks then society will embrace it regardless of his actions or statements. And Lucas knows that society will reject the SE and uphold the OOT, which is why he has been so active to work against this. But he cant stop it. He can't change society, for all his power and control in every other facet of his life. Public opinion is the one thing that we control.


I hope so. I is true that many people still prefer the OOT. I just hope it can remain so with Lucas's attemtps to destroy it.
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#248232
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Raul2106
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Originally posted by: Wesyeed
yeah what the hell's been with the recent influx of trolls? They had no interest in fucking with us here before. Must be the new dvd or something...


Sort've...when TFN banned all of the bashing (ie: anyone who wasn't a blind follower of the cult of Star Wars) there was a massive internet exodus, and unfortunately, many of the bottom feeders ended up here.

So, we're graced with topics in the General section which are usually right at home at TFN.


You've met him over at fanedited.com. Is he still saying that there will be a proper OOT DVD release in the boxed set next year?


Not exactly. He knows he's on thin ice - he still has that smug "I know something and you don't" schtick, but he doesn't post there nearly as much.


I hope he's right, I really do.
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#248218
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Quit Whining
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Originally posted by: bbbbYou guys are right though. GL could have given us the real thing and not some 1993 laserdisc transfer. However is that going to happen? I've been waiting for this OOT DVD release to come to reality for years now. I tried to get it in 700mb format and actually succeeded back in 2005 with the ISOMIX version from the 1988 VCD. Then my harddrive died and (weep) lost ROTJ. I finally have a 700mb format of the 1993 laserdisc release but ROTJ wasn't transfered right. Then came Sept 12th and my wish was finally granted on a permanent basis. How long do DVDs last?



Lucas has some kind of genetic inability release things only once. We'll see a proper OOT DVD release eventually, hoepfully soon.
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#248195
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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Originally posted by: CO
[Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

As much as I respect all of your opinions, I still get this huge feeling like a lot of you don't like the prequels simply because they -aren't- the OT. Sometimes it seems as though a lot of you had no problem effortlessly suspending your disbelief for the classic trilogy, but now it seems like you guys are expecting the prequel trilogy to be more perfect than the classic trilogy had to be.
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GoMer, I think you are genuine in your love for the PT, and I think there will always be a diehard PT fanbase, or saga fanbase out there, but I think many from your side just don't understand that the reason many of us don't love the PT movies is because they are not great movies, plain & simple. I think the debates about all the details we discuss, and there are countless of them from the PT, are just a sideshow or a mask for the real reason we don't love them.

Most friends I know who are SW fans think ANH & ESB are the two best, and it is split among us on which is our favorite. Fans like me who just love the good vs evil feelgood story probably love ANH, and fans that like the gritty, darker tone probably have ESB as their favorite. But make no mistake about it, in just movie terms, they are both classics IMO, and that has nothing to do with being a SW fan.

Those same friends all think ROTJ is inferior, some more then others, and ROTJ is the first movie in movie history that gets a pass because of it predecessors. In a movie sense ROTJ is an average movie that recycles many points from ANH, but in a SW sense, I still love it, why? Because it gives me a conclusion to my two favorite films of all-time, and it is a good enough sequel where it has passed the test of time 23 years later, when if I compared many films to the quality of ROTJ that I saw in 1983 and didn't have SW plastered on it, I wouldn't watch it ever again.

The PT movies are extension of ROTJ for many, but now we don't need the PT story to fulfill the OT story, and that is why many fans will watch an OK/average/pretty good ROTJ and will bury the PT movies. I feel ROTJ & The PT movies are on par: Great moments, and bad moments, and it is OK to have one movie that is alright in my trilogy of the OT, but now after watching 6 movies in the saga, you are asking me to watch 4 average movies?

Everyone here wanted to love the PT, and everyone I feel has given it a chance, and it just comes to down to them not liking it, but cause it is SW, you search for something that may change your mind. I do believe there were a faction of OT fans who would never love the PT, mainly cause of the characters. I do believe there were a faction of OT fans who would never love the PT, mainly cause of the story. But that happens whenever you make any sequel or prequel, cause no SW movie has ever grossed as much as ANH, so Lucas has been losing fans since 1980.


Star Wars stood alone. I was what it was. I think that the sequels and the endless marketing have altered peoples' perception of it, but I think that mere fact that people are still interested 30 years later means that the magic is alive.
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#248193
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My Legendary Deed
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I hope so. I just didn't think that it would make the kind of splash that it has. My worst case scenario was the fear that only a niche audience was interested and Lucas was doing it to say that no one wanted the OOT, so that he could bury. If that was the plan, it failed miserably. Of course, he could still say that now the people who want it have it and move on, which is a likely possibilty, but I didn't anticipate the level of controversy and protest that these discs have generated. All kinds of forums are talking about the non-anamorphic issue. I think that so many people just assumed that he would release the OOT and everybody would be happy that hardly anyone dreamed that he would treat it like this. Lucas has reveled his true feelings, and I think that a lot of people are, excuse the language, really pissed off. I just wonder if this means anything, and of course if we'll ever see proper release. I'd give all the whiskey in Ireland for Raul to have been right. Lucas played his card and got trumped. Now the cards are on the table, and poker face or no, everyone can see. He's only got one ace left in the hole, and he's too stubborn to use it.
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#248190
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The X-Files - Worth Watching?
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
What do you mean Mike?

The show is fictional, but for the most part the stories are based on actual phenomenon/legends. Whether or not Aliens and abductions are actually real I can't say (I believe they are, btw).


I mean are they real on the show?
Yeah, they are real on teh show. i.e, Mulder is not paranoid - this shit is really happening: he just has trouble getting evidence to make other people believe him.


Interestingly phrased. And thank you. As I understand it, the production values were top notch, and nearly every episode look like a mini-movie with high quality photography, score, and special effects.
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#248189
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BEAUTIFUL WOMEN NEW RULES IN FIRST POST (NSFW) UPDATED RULES
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boodwa.co.uk site there are a few more photos of Poppy.

Meaning? What, the kind that you can't post or what? I'm not following

Without A Trace's 4th season has not long started here in the uk - seems to be getting back on form


Jerry Bruckheimer is a keen businessman, that's for sure. Poppy is from, Australia, I believe? Always attemping to find the hot new talent, literally.

You're right about the eyes - am not sure if it the cold straring blonde thing or not?


You can tell a lot about a person by looking into her eyes. I just saying that her eyes didn't seem to have much warmth. It's odd, I know, and difficult to explain. They strike me as so cold, if you get what I'm saying.
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#248177
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Send the extra discs back!
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Originally posted by: HammerinHank
Here's the letter I sent to Lucasfilm:

Jim Ward
Senior Vice President
Lucasfilm Ltd.
5858 Lucas Valley Rd.
Nicasio, CA 94946

September 22, 2006

Dear Sir:

I recently purchased the "Special Edition" DVDs of the original Star Wars trilogy with the "bonus" discs. I am returning the "special editions"and keeping the "bonus" i.e., original versions of these classic films, which I began to watch back in 1977. At $17.87 per disc (from Amazon), I consider the deal a bargain. Please sell or give the "Special Edition" discs to someone who may appreciate them, or keep them if you like; I have no interest in them whatsoever. I believe George Lucas' artistic vision has become... clouded, shall we say, in the past few years.

"[T]o attempt to patch a faulty work into the perfection it missed at its first execution, to spend one's middle age in trying to mend the artistic sins committed and bequeathed by that different person who was oneself in youth - all this is surely vain and futile." -Aldous Huxley

Sincerely,
Henry M. Steffee

Think if enough people send in their discs, the corporate types will get the message that there's a substantial number of potential
customers who just want the original flicks?

By the way, thanx to the other forum member (I was browsing, don't remember which post it was) for finding the Huxley quote, and I
hope you don't mind my using it for my letter, I thought it was apropo.


I don't think it will radically change anything, but hopefully someone will notice.
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#248173
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Happy Birthday Mark Hamill - September 25th
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Wouldn't it have been great if you'd gone on to bigger and better thangs like you're buddy Harrison Ford?

Like what? - The carbon copy man-standing-up-to-authority role that he plays in every film these days? Complete with the one, overly-assertive, stern-faced, line shown in the trailer for every one of those movies. It's always the turning point where the everyman that he always plays finally takes control of his situation...

"How dare you, sir!"

"Get off of my plane!"

"Give me back my wife!"

He's settled nicely into typecasting. A new Indiana Jones would be a welcome change.


Well, at least the man has done something with his career. Mark Hamill was great in Star Wars, but did he do anything big after it? Anything noteworthy? I think not.


With all due respect to Hamill, it might have something to do with his acting ability. In any case, he's done all right for himself and no one will ever forget him as the Joker. All the best Mark .
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#248171
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The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
To me ANH doesn't stand up to such strict applications of logic either, so it's all just more of what makes Star Wars what Star Wars is to me.

I appreciate fantastic things like these because they ignite my imagination to come up with other possiblities that could make sense of them.


There's an old movie buff joke about that. Historical accuracy? Which was better Tombstone or Wyatt Earp? One day, when I see, them, maybe I will get the joke.
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#248168
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BEAUTIFUL WOMEN NEW RULES IN FIRST POST (NSFW) UPDATED RULES
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I thought that she'd show up here, especially since TNT started running Without A Trace. Hasn't she been in a whole bucch of spreads for magazines or something? And what is the last photo from?

Is it just me, or are her eyes kind of cold? She doesn't seem to have a lot of warmth. I know that it's extraordinarily odd, but there's something about her eyes that really leaves me cold.

I would rather fuck a blender.


I am pschologically scarred for life.
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#248065
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Raul2106
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Originally posted by: Wesyeed
yeah what the hell's been with the recent influx of trolls? They had no interest in fucking with us here before. Must be the new dvd or something...


Sort've...when TFN banned all of the bashing (ie: anyone who wasn't a blind follower of the cult of Star Wars) there was a massive internet exodus, and unfortunately, many of the bottom feeders ended up here.

So, we're graced with topics in the General section which are usually right at home at TFN.


You've met him over at fanedited.com. Is he still saying that there will be a proper OOT DVD release in the boxed set next year?
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#248064
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Official Indiana Jones DVD Release
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
If you can't notice changes to a movie, then why bother trying to find them? If you can't notice them, they don't matter. They won't interrupt your viewing. If you get on forums and try to find out details on little tiny things that MIGHT have been changed....well, suffice to say, that's kind of sad.

For instance, the crawl on the GOUT dvd's isn't the absolute original crawl, but you'd have to take screenshots, analyze it closely, watch it over and over, and if you do find something different, you're bothered by it. That's why if you don't notice any changes while just watching it, then there's no reason to worry.


That's apples and oranges, really. You're talking altering an original film image, versus digitally re-creating something and tacking it on to the start of a film.

I'm not sure why, when it comes to Indiana Jones, people are far more forgiving of the fact that the original, unaltered film has not been re-released on DVD versus Star Wars.

Granted, none of the story content has been changed, but the image was manipulated. I don't think the manipulation is done to the extent that we might be thinking, as far as I know only three cosmetic changes were made (cobra reflection, boulder guide track, matte lines) to 'Raiders.'

It's so minor that it's no wonder so many people are divided on the issue. I take a bigger issue with the colour "correction" that was done than anything else. 'Raiders' used to have an almost sepia-tone quality to it, and now it looks like a technicolour nightmare.


Jeez....these changes are so little you really have to dig to see them. I saw this movie on the big screen two weeks ago from an old print, and I'd watched the DVD a few days before that. No changes I could see. They're there, I know, but if you can't notice them without thinking about them, then why do they matter?

And for the record, the original unaltured versions of Star Wars have never made it to DVD either. But the changes made from theaters to the GOUT DVD probably amount to the same number of changes made to raiders.

And the thing about Sepia Tone and technicolor....I have no idea what you mean. Yes, I saw this, in a theater, from a real 35 mm print made back in the 80's and I saw no sepia quality to it. The colors are a little brighter on the DVD, but that's all I could notice. Of course, this print was 20 some years old and was fading.


I don't know, I mead I wish that they hadn't messed with it and I'd buy the original if it was released, but this isn't the kind of thing I could expect a re-release for. It's easy to point to changes in the SEs. "Jar-Jar was not and should not be in ROTJ!" But imagine telling someone, "See, there should be wires there!" It would be stupid to expect a re-release for that reason. I'd want one, of course, but I'd understand why one would not be released. I can't see a lot of demand for it. Then again, with the number of times Lucasfilm re-release things, who knows?
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#248062
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SciFi.com 2006 OUT DVD review
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Originally posted by: Darth Cracker
I like Melissa ~ she talks quite a bit of sense.
look out for the original's use of different music to rock out on Jabba's barge
~ although i think she means "Jabba's Palace" in that instance?
Is she on these boards? Can i take her out to dinner??

September 25, 2006

Star Wars Trilogy DVD

By Melissa Perenson

For many of us, these three movies are responsible for launching our collective imaginations into the realm of what science fiction cinema could be. But in this age of digital production, when everything is in flux and nothing is permanent, what is the definitive edition of a film?

In and of themselves, the films are worthy of buying for what they are—especially if you've never seen the originals or your memory of the originals is fuzzy.

The question has been on the table for years, and it is revisited once more with Lucasfilm's latest release of the original Star Wars trilogy. Is the original theatrical version that enraptured us as schoolchildren and won Academy Awards the so-called version of record? Or should any of the successive releases, often dubbed "limited edition" or "director's cut" or "remastered"—be considered fair game for the version of record?

The fact is, no matter what improvements those successive versions may bring, the original theatrical version of a film holds a special place both in audiences' hearts and in history. And it is for this reason that these versions cannot be ignored.

So imagine the excitement of Star Wars fans when news first hit that nearly a decade into the DVD revolution, Lucasfilm was going to grant fans with one of their top requests—the original theatrical versions of the first Star Wars trilogy.

In the various special-edition theatrical, home video and DVD releases of the trilogy, we've seen these movies time and again. We've followed the adventures of Han Solo (Ford) and Leia (Fisher), Threepio (Daniels) and R2-D2 (Baker) and traced Luke (Hamill) in his hero's journey from a scrappy Tatooine desert rat to a skilled Jedi Knight who destroys the Sith Emperor and reclaims his father from the Dark Side of the Force.

With the inclusion of the original 1977, 1980 and 1983 films, we finally get to see the films that captivated us in our youth. And those who worship at the feet of Amidala, Anakin and Obi-Wan and company can see the films that started it all.

Unlike last year's long-awaited DVD release of the Star Wars trilogy, these limited-edition versions are being sold individually. The first disc is identical to last year's DVD release; the second disc contains what's being billed as the original theatrical release.

The differences can be striking. Some have been much ballyhooed, and others are more subtle. In Episode IV, for example, in the newer version, some scenes on Tatooine are brighter and have more punch than in the original; you'll see X-Wing fighters taking off from Yavin instead of colored blips, and the Death Star's explosion is a pyrotechnic CGI fireball, not a whimper. Oh, and the original cantina scene in which Han shot first ... well, that small change is palpable and reasserts who Han Solo is.

The changes in the other films are in some ways less momentous but nonetheless add up; in total, they point to Lucas' meddling with the originals to better fit with improved technology and with the second trilogy. In Empire, keep an eye for the original Emperor (no, Ian McDiarmid wasn't the first), a more streamlined Cloud City and the original take on the Millennium Falcon's run through an asteroid field. In Jedi, for example, look out for the original's use of different music to rock out on Jabba's barge, a different vision of Anakin in the parting Jedi-elders shot on Endor and a different Ewok village finale.

Great concept, missed opportunity

Should Star Wars fans dare to follow Lucas once more into the realm of these new, limited-edition DVDs? Yes—and no. Last year's DVD release actually constitutes exactly one-half of what you get for your $30 (the films can be found at online retailers for under $20 a pop). I won't fault Lucasfilm for this—after all, the original theatrical versions are valuable educational tools and historical references whose importance in both Star Wars canon and filmmaking annals is only clear when the films are compared with the modernized versions. And at least the films are released individually, so if all you really crave is seeing Han shoot first in the Cantina sequence with Greedo, well, all you have to do is buy a single disc.

In and of themselves, the films are worthy of buying for what they are—especially if you've never seen the originals or your memory of the originals is fuzzy. For that alone, each of these discs rates: These original films were lost to home audiences for so long, it's a delight to see them out from the mothballs.

That said, Lucasfilm missed the chance to score a home run with these discs. And for that reason, the discs must be panned even as they're praised. Compared with the digitally restored and remastered movies released last year, the original theatrical versions—last seen on a randomly accessible disc during the LaserDisc release some two decades ago—look mediocre to shabby. If you're watching them on a standard-definition 4:3 television, the films won't look bad; in fact, you may only notice some minor softness in the image as compared to the newer, remastered versions.

The original versions seen here have unsophisticated menus, and the movie itself suffers from dated video and audio (these versions are encoded with Dolby 2.0 surround sound, not Dolby Digital 5.1 surround, as the newer editions are). Furthermore, while the image is presented in widescreen, it's not optimized for anamorphic displays (a more critical feature if you're using a high-definition widescreen display).

Furthermore, Lucasfilm missed the chance to highlight the changes from one version to the other, and why those happened. The only audio commentaries are found on the new DVD release discs. The original theatrical versions lack any sort of pointers to what was changed and why, and that is a significant omission. Without such an extra feature, many of the subtleties of what changed may be lost on all but the most devoted audiences.

Ostensibly, the original films are set to go out of circulation once the limited-edition discs stop being sold at the end of the year, so this could be your one chance to get the original versions, at least for a while. Of course, with the next-generation high-definition disc formats here, I fully expect we'll see a Blu-ray version of the original films in several years, once the format matures. I can only hope that Lucasfilm will take advantage of the next-gen formats' interactivity to really highlight the old and new versions.—Melissa


Source: http://www.scifi.com/sfw/screen/sfw13653.html


Wow. It's really hit the fan. I knew that fans would be upset, but I had no idea that Lucas would suffer this much backlash for this release. I wonder if that means anything?
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#247812
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2007 Banner Year for DVDs! GO TIGER!
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Originally posted by: Krycek87
Actually is quite smart.
Movies like this are the so called "big guns".
With Superman being released on both formats, Some people will be more interested in Buying either the Bluray or the HD DVD.


I don't know, I mean I don't want to back an HD format and spend all my money on it. I keep hoping Bill Hunt is right and that the formats will sort of be niche, but with my luck, it proably won't happen that way. I guess time will tell.

Not crazy about the Donner Cut cover art either. I doesn't really matter, as long as the product is good, I'm just saying.