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#247244
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Raul2106
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
I KNEW it was him!!!!

What a loser!!!!

Is he really banned? Anyone know?


He's over at fanedited.com. There is a thread, started by him, about OT.com and he is saying many very confusing things, but it sounds like he's sticking to his story that there will be a proper OOT release next year. I sincerely hope that he is right.
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#247205
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Lucasfilm to sell Physical Effects Unit
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Originally posted by: Zebonka
The extended version of ROTK is a *mess*.
Right off the top of my head, that whole business with the running-away-from-the-skull-avalanche scene just looks stupid; I can't believe they put such time and effort into it.
And also - they removed any sort of suspense over the ghost army, when he wanders out of a wall and says 'we fight' in a crappy money shot.... that is a truly on-the-nose example of when a filmmaker doesn't know when to leave something alone; when they feel the need to spell something out in ridiculous fashion.

Really liked LOTR for the most part, but for movies that people insist are the 'best ever made', there are a crapload of flaws in there. They are very much products of their time, and some shots will not age terribly well (that ridiculous shot of Legolas jumping on the horse, could've been straight out of Spider-Man).

Perhaps, but on the whole, they're a breathtaking achievement in my view. I don't mind a few crowd-pleaser moments . By and large, I don't remember being so exhilarated by a film since I first saw the OOT on video years and years. As I left FOTR I thougt, "This is why I go to the movies." Some of the visual effects may not age well, but the characters and the story, thanks mostly to Tolkien, are rich and timeless, and Jackson doesn't forget them.

I maybe would've preferred the Rings Trilogy if Jackson hadn't killed The Two Towers. No matter what form it's in, extended or theatrical, it's a mess. The book is so much better.

I think that the extended edition rectified much from the theatrical version. I certainly altered the character of Faramir, but in the EE, he is redeemed as one of the great Men, as Tolkien intended him.

But Return of the King was an even greater travesty upon the books.


In what way, precisely?

In terms of plain movies, ignoring the books, Two Towers was the best with Return of the King and Fellowship winning a tie in my mind.


But shoudn't that be the terms upon which the film is evaluated? As a film?

And then when you put it at the beginning of the King Extended, it's logically and tonally a mess and feels really tacted on.


I don't think so, I mean Tolkien wrote it as a complete story anyways. Good points all. Thanks.

And stop calling it "A New Hope ."

I find it interesting that the best of the Harry Potter films, the third, is the one that deviates most from the book.
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#247012
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The Trekkies Are Unbelievable
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247012/action/topic#247012
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Originally posted by: Raul2106
What is the difference between complaining about alterations in Star Trek or alterations in Star Wars? Trek fans will go through a period where they love changes but then they will be like most people here and want the changes gone.


The difference is that we don't have a high-quality choice in the case of SW. But according to you, we will next year.
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#247010
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Lucasfilm to sell Physical Effects Unit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247010/action/topic#247010
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Maybe, but I find LOTR and Kong to be better films overall. What shots are you refering to? The most obvious ones that come to my mind are the Wargs in TTT.

Between the two trilogies, there's just spectacular work across the board.


I must disagree. I think that the PT has the same problem as LOTR: Inconsistency. It too has great and mediocre shot alike. Now, if you wanted to talk about ILM's other work, then I'm more inclined to agree. But I've seen few CG effects as good as the Balrog.
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#247009
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The Hobbit starting in 2007?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247009/action/topic#247009
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I hope he actually keeps Ian Holm, Ian McK, Hugo Weaving and Andy Serkis in the film too. I'd like a complete and total tie-in between the two.

Beyond that, I'm all for an HBO Miniseries for The Silmarillion produced by Jackson. Would that not be uber-cool?


I really doubt that an adapation of The Silmarillion that didn't last 40 hours would be possible . I just don't know about Holm; he's a bid old. McKellen is a must though, and a Christopher Lee cameo please . And Howare Shore is a must!

The Hobbit isn't listed on the IMDb, for whatever that is worth. I haven't heard much about what he's going to do after The Lovely Bones
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#247002
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Lucasfilm to sell Physical Effects Unit
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247002/action/topic#247002
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That's one of the main reasons why Dennis Murren made it a point of emphasis during his work on Hulk to make sure that Hulk blends in and interacts with his environment and he pulled it off wonderfully with that film.

True. Utter mess though that film may be, the effects are spectacular.

And Mike O, I think Weta does deserves alot of credit on Gollum. But, that doesn't change the fact that at times, they didn't get him totally right with interaction in his environment.


Fair enough . I'm just saying the PT and ILM have had their share of silmilar problems.
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#246993
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Lucas to be grand marshal of parade....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246993/action/topic#246993
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Originally posted by: Darth Cracker
"Now we'll find out where people really wanted the originals or whether they wanted the improved versions. It will all come out in the end." George Lucas

The theme for the parade is Our Good Nature.

"George Lucas has brought excitement and entertainment to the world for 34 years. His creativity and talent has opened up new worlds for all of us to imagine, and has shown us how good nature can prevail," said Tournament of Roses president Paul L. Holman.


hmmmm........


I hope so too, friend, I hope so too. God willing, Raul is right.
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#246986
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Lucasfilm to sell Physical Effects Unit
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There are plenty of shots in The Two Towers were Weta didn't even get remotely close with blending in Gollum to the environment.

Secondly, Gollum really wasn't very good at all in FOTR.

Gollum was hardly in FOTR. That was rough design of the character, because it didn't need to be fully shown yet.

I think that WETA gave Gollum a great deal of character, thanks in part to Serkis. Really, whatever one's opinion on the films, it's difficult to deny that Gollum is interesting, if nothing else.

With ILM, they tend to get it right 85% of the time.


The nightime scenes in Speilbergs JP films with the T-Rex, anyone? Still looks phenomenal almost a decade and a half later. Same thing with Cameron's T2.

Then again, I might just like LOTR more than the PT.

Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
Seriously, the CG Yoda was bound to blend in with the CG sets, wasn't he? The CG Gollum had to be integrated with real location shots. I regard the achievement as being much greater on WETA's part.

As for matching the movements of Oz's puppeteering, I don't buy it. That sounds like an excuse. Hell, they'll probably go in and replace the original with their beloved CG version for next year's SEs anyway...


Didn't Kurtz say that as long as there was breath in his body, he wouldn't let Lucas alter Oz's work in ESB and ROTJ?