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#297549
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
i used to be one of Lucas biggest fans and supporters before 1997. now he can burn in hell for all i care for destroying the films i grew up with and love.


"Don't hate the black, don't hate the white. When you get bitten, just hate the bite."

Sly Stone.

Seriously, I'm mad about the situation too, but we must try to at least to be somewhat understanding. Lucas is not making that easy, lord knows, but lets focus on the films and not on wish the man ill will. Seriously, I'd rather not get the DVDs if it mean malice toward a human being. I mean, as much as we love the films, he does own them; yeah, he's certainly being an asshole, but they aren't out movies. Instead, lets try to channel the energy into a contructive way to fight him to the last breath for the OOT.
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#297520
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2007 DVD repackage
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: ESHBG
I've learned not to get my hopes too high with Luca$, but the packaging looks like there could be 3 movies w/ multiple discs in it. If so, there is potential here...


As has been said, it's more likely that it's simply a repackaging of the GOUT and the PT DVDs (apparently there are still some of the "limited editions" left). Really, I think that it was an official Lucasfilm product, they'd have made noise and made sure that no living thing was unaware of its existance.

That is one possibility, but then there's another: When Luca$ spreads word of his releases, the hype builds up, people get more info and tear the release apart (rightfully so) and some of the negative press damages sales. Maybe this time around Luca$ will wait until the last minute to announce the set, the hype is fast and hard and sales skyrocket...just in time for the Christmas season.

Again, I am not holding my breath, but my theory re: the SW well running dry very quickly gives me some hope, as they need to come up with a new product to really get the buy-in anymore....


The TV series is coming up though...
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#297519
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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Originally posted by: COI know that King Kong 1933 is the same way, even though many young fans probably would rather watch the 2005 Peter Jackson version, history shouldn't be rewritten.

What makes you say that? King Kong 1933 is available on a gorgeously remastered DVD in its original form.

Still, that would be a very sad commentary on our present culture right now, if something of deep meaning is just thrown out the gutter and burned. While SW may be none of these these things, the idea that a film that has been seen by millions of people and is a part of the collective consciousness is destroyed without protest and replaced by an imposter film, see if that makes you not lose sleep at night. Lucas has already destroyed the OT in its original form and sucessfully replaced by the PT and the SE, and has made it a crime for anyone to show the original films without resorting to ancient technology or poorly made DVDs. Of course you are just going to troll about it anyways.


Porn is far more profitable that Shakespeare. Is that sad? Oh, hell yes. But such is the state of humanity. And for once, Randy isn't trolling, so no offense, but I'd be careful here; he's finally engaged us intelligent discussion. Lets be nice as long as he continues to do so.

Now I can agree with you for the most part. However, note that these letters are directed at AFI and their sense of dignity, not at anything legal and not at GL. Their purpose is ostensibly to try and wake someone up over there. I have to believe that there are real movie lovers at AFI... people who really really love the art of movie-making, and think it is important. If we can play some small part in arousing a few of them from their coma, maybe just maybe someday someone with some importance will see what to us and to most movie purists is obvious - that there is a great moment in movie history that has been neglected and must be preserved. I have to believe there are people there who would care if it was pointed out to them and they thought about it for 5 seconds. Perhaps someday, someone who GL respects would read one of our whiney emails by accident, have an epiphany, and actually appeal to GL to do the right thing. Or maybe after GL dies, some people will be waiting in the wings to act. There's hope as long as there are people with the passion to keep trying... that's why I like this board and how its members never give up.


We should give up though; I don't see any hope. But really, I don't think that this is some grand scheme to get them to show the OOT or anything. We simply wanted to stop the revisionism, and it was acknowledged.
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#297497
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Puggo - Jar Jar's "Yoda"


For example, suppose that someone took some pre-Rennaisance paintings and improved them by correcting some of the technical mistakes in their use of perspective. Although the technical delivery would be improved, and quite possibly even their aesthetic appeal and power in some cases, they would have considerably less artistic/cultural value. Their significance would immediately become questionable, and it would be impossible to learn anything about art in the time period in which they were first rendered, since an observer would not know which aspects were actually from that era and which were added later.

Well said but if it's the original author of the piece of art... then you don't really have room to complain, IMO.

Good to see you guys got them to change the title, though.


Depends on what you mean by "don't really have room to complain." If you mean that the original author of the piece of art (ignoring once again the dozens of other talented people work on Star Wars) has the legal right to change the piece that they have ownership of, you're right. But that doesn't mean that people who love the work have to like it or agree with it or have no right to voice their displeasure. Moreoever, the simplist crux of matter is this: the original version is not restored. Personally, I wouldn't care less if Lucas made the changes as long as he allowed the original version an equal degree of respect. If Leonardo Da Vinci tried to change the Mona Lisa if he were still alive, people would still scream bloody murder, and deservedly so. Sure, he would be within his rights; but I think that people would more than understandably be unhappy. Now, if Michael Curtiz insisted that Casablanca had to be colorized to mee his original vision but ALSO released a high quality version of the original black and white edition on DVD and HD, then it would be a pefect compromise to meet halfway. You see where I'm coming from here with calling me immature and tryign to say that I'm claiming posession of the films (which I am not)?

I will say - their non-action where preserving Star Wars is concerned has certainly changed my view of them as a credible organization.


What the hell could they do? Lucas wouldn't allow them to even if they wanted to anyway.
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#297479
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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Well, they did change it say the Special Edition. It's a very, very, very small victory, but at least it stopped a bit of revisionism.

And if existing prints of the first versions are in poor condition, that nonetheless means that they do exist. And they best they can do?

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa121.html#fr

Bullshit.
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#297457
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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I don't hate him. He simply doesn't hold the same feelings about the OOT as we do. He believes, correctly, that Lucas owns the film and can do what he wants with it. He also believes that the fans should just shut up and that there is something wrong with wanting a high quality release of a version of a movie which we like. THAT is what make him unpopular.
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#297453
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
To Whom It May Concern:

I’m writing in an effort to establish which version of Star Wars you are showing for your 40th anniversary celebration. In case you are not aware there are different versions of the film each of which we nerds complain about at various levels. Naturally the original unaltered version as shown in 1977 is the preferred version while each subsequent version released thereafter is bemoaned upon more and more resulting in emails such as this. If said emails fail to result in our desired outcome an online petition will be created and signed by every nerd at my disposal. The last time we did this it resulted in an unsatisfactory bonus disc release suitable only for the knob operated television set my father used to watch the Honeymooners on. But I digress.

So getting back to my initial reason for contacting you, please know that only the original version of Star Wars is accepted by true Star Wars fans. Anyone that accepts poorly rendered Jabba the Hutts and odd muppet-like musical numbers is clearly not a fan but rather a sheep crawling wherever George Lucas points his Shepard’s stick.

Thank you for your time,
JediRandy


Did you notice that most of the letters published here have been intelligent and polite? None of us have deluded ourselves into thinking that we can get them to show the 77 version (as if Lucas would let them anyway). We simply want it to be known that they're not labeling what they're showing properly, so as to avoid revisionism. That's all. By the way, Lucasfilm's officially packaged 2004 DVD release says "2004" on the back of all three films. Just worth noting.
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#297430
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
I've been lurking this thread every so often, and it sounds like AFI might actually show the original. The title given does say "1977". Unless the'yre lying, the only one from '77 is the original.

And don't they hold one of the only copies which Lucasfilm has no legal right to? I seem to remember someone saying that back when the forum was fighting to get an anamorphic OUT DVD release. And that a British film group has a copy as well. Is that right?


Yeah, but even if they did, I doubt that Lucas would let them show it.
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#297429
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2007 DVD repackage
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
I've learned not to get my hopes too high with Luca$, but the packaging looks like there could be 3 movies w/ multiple discs in it. If so, there is potential here...


As has been said, it's more likely that it's simply a repackaging of the GOUT and the PT DVDs (apparently there are still some of the "limited editions" left). Really, I think that it was an official Lucasfilm product, they'd have made noise and made sure that no living thing was unaware of its existance.
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#297403
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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To whom it may concern,

It has come to my attention that you are sceening Star Wars. However, you have listed the release as 1977. While the original version was released in 1977, George Lucas made extensive restorations to this version in 1997 and 2004, as wel; retitling it "A New Hope" in 1981. Moreover, the DVD releases indicate 2004 as the release date on their packaging. Unless you are showing the 1977 version, which of course Lucasfilm, despite intense criticism, will now allow, then then the date shold be changed to reflect this. Revisionist history of this magnitude should simply not be allowed.

Thank you for your time,
Michael O'Connor
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#297402
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
Perhaps all the GOUT ultimately boils down to is LFL's desire to make a quick dollar. It's sad and petty, but not impossible.

The GOUT was a test for George Lucas to prove nobody wants the OOT and his SE has virtual mainstream approval. Sure, he cheated by making the OOT horribly outdated to justify his logic, but Lucas can afford a loss in money. Heck, he made $1 billion in domestic grosses for the PT alone. He considers it a minor sacrifice to lose a few million dollars to make an additional hundreds of millions of dollars.

BTW, based on the whole HD/Blu-ray predictions, we may get an even more extensively altered DVD of the OT by 2013, and then a really, really bad copy of the OOT by 2015. Imagine a 4:3 laserdisc on a possible 64:27 TV ten years from now!


People DID want it. They bought it.

Just pointing it out, kid. I'd like to think the AFI would at least know how long a film is when it's a one-of screening.


It's probably just the listed time that LFL gave them.
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#296625
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IMPORTANT BEHIND THE SCENES INFO ON THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY FROM LONDON FILM AND COMIC CON-SEP '07
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Very interesting- thanks! I hope Mr. Kurtz decides to publish a book of his SW photos.

CHRISTOPHER MALCOLM (ZEV-EMPIRE)

A really nice guy, at his first convention, the actor revealed that the replacement VISTAVISION camera used for Snowspeeder cockpit filming had previously been used on GONE WITH THE WIND- such was the film’s status that people on set would often come by just to touch the legendary camera that had filmed the movie!!
Did they a use a VistaVision camera on Gone With the Wind? That doesn't sound right. I thought VistaVision was a widescreen format invented in the 1950s. I also thought all the cameras used on GWTW were the bulky 3-strip Technicolor cameras.


I though that GTW wasn't filmed in widescreen, as it didn't exist?
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#296624
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George Lucas jealous of Irvin Kershner's Star Wars?
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Originally posted by: Tiptup

I agree that Empire was the height of the OT Star Wars saga, but within the OT+PT saga, Empire actually kind of sucks. It's like that boring filler episode that the little kids don't really enjoy but will sit through anyways . . . .


Is this an opinion that you espouse or a quote?

If it weren't for the fact that I know George Lucas better, and the fact that I know he doesn't have the attention span to carry out such a long-term vendetta, I'd almost call his mistreatment of Empire deliberate.


Why not? I'd make sense.

Perhaps his desire to make money and turn Star Wars into a money-making franchise is the external expression of his inner hatred for Empire Strikes back. It was his initial and only lasting criticism of the film, and now it's as if his desire to be right (in the end) is actually destroying what was best about it. It suddenly seems more than coincidence to me (at the moment at least). Perhaps it's so easy to believe that George Lucas hates Empire because he really does deep down.


What do you mean? I am totally lost.
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#296623
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2007 DVD repackage
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Originally posted by: DGC General X
I have heard from MillenniumFalcom.com that...

_quote________________________________________________________________________________

At C4, whilst speaking w/ Anthony 'These aren't the droids were looking for' Forrest (ME sandtrooper - 'ANH')

He stated that he's heard of Deleted scenes w/ a DVD release in the Fall to Christmas time period .... ?
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quoted by Capt. Sith Park of MillenniumFalcom.com


All of these rumors about LFL's new DVD is really starting to get ridiculous; make up your damn minds!