Mike O

Originally posted by: oojason
^ indeed

A few more pics of Michelle Ryan

"They are having a hard time," Lucas said. "They're saying, 'This doesn't fit into our little square boxes..."

Yet I bet that your little square boxes are anamorphic.



True, and with the online fanbase, the truth, like it almost always does, lies somewhere in the middle.

I do think that the OT is still thought of and loved the same as it was before the PT... it's not going to go away or be diminished. IMO the PT fan reaction is waaaaaaay more valid than the SE reactions.

Originally posted by: RatioTile
Guy,

Battlestar Galactica - Season One (2005)
http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Galactica-Edward-James-Olmos/dp/B000AJJNFE/ref=sr_1_2/002-7853221-2381637?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192588681&sr=1-2
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #434 in DVD

Battlestar Galactica: Seasons 2.0 and 2.5 (2005)
http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Galactica-Seasons-2-0-2-5/dp/B000NOIVV8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/105-9380326-4497235?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192589427&sr=1-3
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #596 in DVD


Clone wars season 1:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Clone-Vol-1/dp/B0006Z2LMO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/105-9380326-4497235?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192589216&sr=8-2
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,044 in DVD

Clone wars season 2:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Clone-Vol-2/dp/B000BCE8Q4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9380326-4497235?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192589216&sr=8-1
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #873 in DVD

Not exactly billboard, but it gives you a general idea.

Clone Wars ended a while ago and BSG is still running, though; bear that in mind.



I won't, but if they're successful, it means more for Lucas to milk when he should be letting the franchise rest; I keep hoping that a good OOT release will come via the desire for more cash, and if he has the TV series raking it in, that means even less incentive.

When will Lucas learn that, regarding Star Wars, less is more? The franchise was best remembered before the Dark Times, before the SEs and PT. I fear these TV shows will end up making the PT look like the OT. The backstory of Pod Racing is all we need to gaurantee that future generations will look at those of us who loved Star Wars in 1977 as lunatics, since all that they will be able to see is the SuperUltimateLastFinalLucasOnHisDeathBedEdition of Star Wars which will now be numbered Episode 104, as the 100 TV episodes will take place between Episode III and Star Wars. Whatever is left of Lucases legacy and good name will be buried on the shelves of the Library of Congress I am afraid.

Originally posted by: Mielr
I just heard a blurb about the live-action series during the hourly newsbreak on my local Fox-radio (AM) network. They said something about Lucas having "a good idea for the series" but for now he's "keeping it to himself." Riiiiiight.....

Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
Is there any data on how well the current dvds of the Clone Wars cartoons have sold? Especially compared to something like the dvds of Galactica (which is highly praised and well loved on the internet, yet struggles to get "regular" people to watch it and stay on the air)?

Originally posted by: RatioTile
Guy,

Battlestar Galactica - Season One (2005)
http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Galactica-Edward-James-Olmos/dp/B000AJJNFE/ref=sr_1_2/002-7853221-2381637?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192588681&sr=1-2
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #434 in DVD

Battlestar Galactica: Seasons 2.0 and 2.5 (2005)
http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Galactica-Seasons-2-0-2-5/dp/B000NOIVV8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/105-9380326-4497235?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192589427&sr=1-3
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #596 in DVD


Clone wars season 1:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Clone-Vol-1/dp/B0006Z2LMO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/105-9380326-4497235?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192589216&sr=8-2
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,044 in DVD

Clone wars season 2:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Clone-Vol-2/dp/B000BCE8Q4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9380326-4497235?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192589216&sr=8-1
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #873 in DVD

Not exactly billboard, but it gives you a general idea.

Originally posted by: JediRandy
Well I think we can all agree that it'll get enough attention from people to get an audience for the first few episodes. If it's good, it'll do well, if not then it won't... just like any other show. But don't think that it won't get picked up by some network/cable channel...

think of it this way... how many times have fans said "I wish GL would let someone else write SW"... well, here it is. Let's see what happens.

I never thought that I'd say this, but I agree with Randy. We've all wanted to see someone else take on the Star Wars universe, and now we we will. Be carefuly what you wish for, I suppose. But really, I think that it'll happen however it does. We'll just have to wait and see.



Not I, that's for certain .

Again, we will see how the ratings do; I don't think we have enought data about how many people actually saw the later PT films (TPM was huge, it had everyone who ever liked Star Wars going, and we brought our skeptical wives and friends--they didn't come with us to see AotC or RotS!). Yes they were very successful movies, but just go and look over at TF.N (back in the days when the movies were out) and see all the people who posted that they saw RotS, literally, 38 times or 50 times, etc. Such fanatical devotion of repeat viewers carries no wait in the TV market where one time market share is all the matters. It will be very interesting to see what kind of ratings these shows garner and will go along way in answering how popular the post-PT Star Wars franchise actually is.

I dunno if the ratings will be that bad, man.

Oh, I don't think that they'll be bad at all. The question is...



It attracted a large audience, but still mostly of sci-fi fans, wasn't it? I mean, I think that it's mostly critical acclaim that's kept it along with others. I must watch that one of these days. I hear that it's quite good.

So, really the show could go far. People will tune in for the pilot and first few episodes out of curiosity, but after that its up to the strength of the show itself, and if its actually good then people will continue watching, and it could even rescue the rep of Star Wars in the same way that the new Battlestar Galactica made it okay to be a fan of that series.

Originally posted by: oojason
The Bionic Woman's Michelle Ryan (also Ex-EastEnder):-

Why did they have to name her Jamie Sommers in the new series? It just becomes another rehash of what's been done. But if they'd just given her a new name, then Lindsay Wagner's Bionic Woman and this new one could peacefully coexist in the same universe ... Bionic Woman TNG so to speak. Is there ANY reason why they had to give her the same damn name and thus negate the original upon which this is based? wasn't much to write home about, but there has been a bit of improvement. The show has lots of potential, it just hasn't done much with it yet.

Dude, no offense, but what're you talking about? The show is designed as a remake.

That's right. It's another pointless "re-envisioning" because there are too many channels and not enough creative ideas.

Originally posted by: JediRandy
Being that it's completely financed by Lucasfilm I doubt the networks are too worried about losing money.

They're probably concerned about ratings. And the advertisers pay them, if we're talking about money. They certainly wouldn't lose money in terms of financing the progam, as LFL have already done that, but they might be concerned about others things. Really, we have no clue.



Duh .

So if this is true this tells me there isn't even concrete story ideas let alone scripts, which means the series should air in.... oh say.... two thousand and never.

Originally posted by: DarthPoppy
I think the reason the networks aren't terribly interested in this series are multiple:

1.) Commitment. Normarlly a network buys a (single) pilot episode, focus groups the hell out of it and goes back to the production company with results, which lead to changes in format, characters, etc. (Classic example being the orignal Star Trek pilot with Captain Pike wich was considered to "intellectual" and "liberal" (with a woman 1st officer) and transformed into the series we know). They buy one episode without commitment and work from there; they do not buy 100.

2.) A network buys a series to make a profit (like any other business venture); a network makes a profit by selling advertising. Advertisers buy time to sell a product to a market which has money to spend on said product. If the only people still interested in the franchise (particularly the PT era) agter the reception of the PT are people like the so-called "TF.N gushers", the only products this group spends its money on are Star Wars merchandise, which they will buy anyway. After spending their bucks on this stuff, they have no money left over. So, who would be the target for advertisers? Not beer makers, car makers, pharmaceuticals or any of the regulars.

3.) The reception of the PT. While Sith got a better reception than the first to prequels, this was largely due to the fact that it was the last one. You can only sell something as the last one so many times. Lots of people are just sick of the whole thing. And unlike a film in theaters where a film makes that same amount of money if ten people see it or if one person sees it ten times, advertising based broadcasting is entirely based on ratings--the raw number of people who see it at once. It is clear with cult films (which the franchise has become) that the huge numbers the PT generated at the box office were largely the result of the multiple viewings of a harcore fanbase, which does not translate well to the broadcast arena.

Originally posted by: sean wookie


Who the fuck makes 50 episodes of a show before it makes the airwaves? Sounds stupid to me.

Originally posted by: DarthPoppy
I think the reason the networks aren't terribly interested in this series are multiple:

1.) Commitment. Normarlly a network buys a (single) pilot episode, focus groups the hell out of it and goes back to the production company with results, which lead to changes in format, characters, etc. (Classic example being the orignal Star Trek pilot with Captain Pike wich was considered to "intellectual" and "liberal" (with a woman 1st officer) and transformed into the series we know). They buy one episode without commitment and work from there; they do not buy 100.

2.) A network buys a series to make a profit (like any other business venture); a network makes a profit by selling advertising. Advertisers buy time to sell a product to a market which has money to spend on said product. If the only people still interested in the franchise (particularly the PT era) after the reception of the PT are people like the so-called "TF.N gushers", the only products this group spends its money on are Star Wars merchandise, which they will buy anyway. After spending their bucks on this stuff, they have no money left over. So, who would be the target for advertisers? Not beer makers, car makers, pharmaceuticals or any of the regulars.

3.) The reception of the PT. While Sith got a better reception than the first to prequels, this was largely due to the fact that it was the last one. You can only sell something as the last one so many times. Lots of people are just sick of the whole thing. And unlike a film in theaters where a film makes that same amount of money if ten people see it or if one person sees it ten times, advertising based broadcasting is entirely based on ratings--the raw number of people who see it at once. It is clear with cult films (which the franchise has become) that the huge numbers the PT generated at the box office were largely the result of the multiple viewings of a harcore fanbase, which does not translate well to the broadcast arena.

Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
Given that the Space between AOTC and ROTS has now been covered with novels, comics, video games and cartoons - Will tihs new series present much that is
1 New
2 Interesting
3 And doesn't dramatically alter things we've already 'seen'.

Originally posted by: see you auntie
How much story is there to tell in a 3 year period?

Originally posted by: generalfrevious
It sound like a hoax to me. I've heard nothing from the digital bits about this. There will never be a 30th anniversary boxset.

Originally posted by: lordjedi


He also said he wanted to move on from Star Wars and do other, smaller projects. I guess he changed his mind.

Originally posted by: Anchorhead

I think it’s a very real possibility there’s some of that taking place. A bit of a Star Trek situation. How many times can you tell the same story, with the same (or similar) characters? We get it – prime directive, warp speed, cloaking, no emotions, humanoid aliens as crew members, a personal journey, etc, etc. You reach a saturation point, even with the hardcore fan base.

Originally posted by: eros
I didn't know HD formats were anamorphic!

Originally posted by: Anchorhead


Well, it's Star Wars. Star Wars could be placed over a program with the subtitle "Watching Grass Grow" and it would still turn out oodles of change. If the show fails...however...I don't want to hope that it will, but whatever it takes to get him to finally see that he's alienating his fans and get the OOT out there...

I know of only 3 shows (well, maybe 2) that had a 5 year plan at the beginning and all of them ended up running longer. Babylon 5, which the network made a mess of by constantly playing the "you're cancelled...well, no you're not" game, X-Files, which Fox pushed 3 years beyond what Carter ever intended (and it shows), and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which didn't turn out that bad (there's even a Season 8 comic ). I don't think Buffy actually had a 5 year plan, it just looked that way from the S5 finale. However, none of those shows was greenlit for 5 years at the beginning. They all had to prove themselves and get renewed each year.

Originally posted by: CO



The TV show is a niche market of EU fans, and I guarantee will not even come close to drawing the millions of SW fans who goto see the movies. Look at the PT movies, can you name one movie series that people hated the first 2 movies, yet still saw the 3rd movie in the trilogy? They did that cause they thought it would complete the OT story, nothing more nothing less.

The TV show is just add on to the story, not THE STORY as the PT was suppose to be, so most OT diehards don't really care. They may be curious to see the first few shows, but it won't do huge numbers, it will have a niche base of fans like the EU books, and they are diehards, but in terms of what the audience is for the movies, it won't even come close.

Trust me guys, I have alot of friends who love SW, and they are all done with it, and could care less about the TV show. They have SW, ESB, and ROTJ in their collection and that is it.

Originally posted by: CO
HD-DVD/BlueRay will correct all this nonsense, cause the Saga is done now, the movies are done, and Lucas doesn't have anything new. Just the fact that the OOT came out on DVD, albeit crappy DVD, shows that Lucas knows there is a market for those movies, as Lucas said in 2005, "People under 25 love the PT, and those over 25 mostly have not liked those movies."