Listen, I'm certainly bitter about Lucas' treatment of the OOT (and THX 1138, which is also never coming out again), but the fact of the matter is, that's fiction. Giving that much money to charity is a very real thing, and he deserves full congratulations for giving to a good cause and those in need. I give him full credit for, and my hat is off.
greedo said:
Could be worse, what if it's Michael Bay.
Don't even fucking joke about that, I have enough nightmares as it is.
Tyrphanax said:
Oldfan said:
Lucas is a strange one. On the one hand he is clearly a very generous man. He is a very intelligent businessman. I like his stance on the importance of education and his desire to help it improve any way he can. And he also has demonstrated in the past his desire to protect films so that future generations can enjoy them.
Yet then look at what he has done to the fans regarding the original trilogy. You can't even catch the originals on tv anymore for crying out loud, since he won't allow it. Why does he have such hate for us all? Granted we have thrown a lot of hate his way over recent years. But much of that is because he's denying us the one thing we've been asking for since the dawn of DVD. Many of us were bitter, or have become bitter over the years, about the quality of the prequels. That cannot be undone. But I think we can all agree that if he had released this recent blu-ray collection with the original trilogy intact, as originally released, all would have been forgiven. Instead he's given us another reason to feel like he hates us.
Yeah, I was reflecting on the Duality of George Lucas tonight, myself.
It's really interesting, and I don't think I can name another person who is so universally loved and a cause of frustration for so many people at the same time.
I don't think most of us would say we hate the man (perhaps in a fit of rage over the latest change in the latest boxed set for the latest year), or that we wish him ill, especially in light of his charitable work and other such; in fact, from my time here and other, similar places, I feel like we all think he's a good man, and we are all grateful for creating something that is such a big part of our lives and film history, and it's because of those reasons that places like this, and things like the petition and all the fan vitriol exist.
But at the same time, I don't (personally) know a single person who is not also ridiculously frustrated by his insistent, admitted intentional suppression of the original versions of his films and apparent lack of concern about the quality of the prequels and therefore the "health" of his intellectual property. I don't know a single person who doesn't feel some sense of betrayal and anger and alienation at the whole fiasco, that an entire portion of their childhood is being destroyed and some feel it so deeply that they can't handle it and just renounce the entire franchise.
And, again at the same time, I don't know a single person who doesn't want to be able to go back to loving Lucas, patch things up, and hand him their hard-earned money for a copy of the unaltered original films and just be done with it all.
It really is an incredibly fascinating dichotomy.
Listen, I'm certainly bitter about Lucas' treatment of the OOT (and THX, which is also never coming out again), but the fact of the matter is, that's fiction. Giving that much money to charity is a very real thing, and he deserves full congratulations for giving to a good cause and those in need. I give him full credit for, and my hat is off.
Major kudos to George for donating such an insane amount of money to charity. I disagree with a lot of what the man does, by there's no denying he's giving a lot to a good cause, and that's always something that merits congratulations. So more power to him for doing something selfless for others.
Well, I'm fairly certain Lucas must've put in some sort of contractual proviso to make sure that the original never get restored, probably as the one caveat of the deal. Just as a final nail in the coffin. Last time we all got optimistic was when the OOT was announced, I was dancing in the streets, and we wound up getting the GOUT. Listen nothing in this world would make me happier than to be wrong. But I doubt it.
And LOOPER was very good.
Oldfan said:
Yet how many just on this site would buy the originals on blu-ray on day one? And not just this site. While probably the majority of people are mostly unaware that there have been so many drastic changes over the years to the films, a very large number of people are both aware and bitter about it, which is obvious from reading this news all over the web. That's a lot of people, all who would likely buy the originals if they were made available.
"And not just on this site." It mostly is just this site, I think. People on Internet forums aren't representative of the average person.
negative1 said:
no point in this petition.
need to send it to disney now
that they bought lucasfilm:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Disney-Buying-LucasFilm/topic/14771/
and ep 7 is coming 2015!
later
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Whomever, the key thing is to get the word out.
zombie84 said:
That's like saying "with all the money they make at the box office ($billion+) why bother making toys?"
The OOT is a niche as it is, the BR sales of the SEs prove it enough. They have no reason to go back to the OOT.
Mike O said:
Mavimao said:
Mike O said:
Fox is retaining the rights to the earlier films, so nothing new except new stuff not to buy. Unless this'll get the OOT out, which it won't, let's move along. Basically it means we'll be seeing more SW stuff than ever, but who cares? The OOT is still doomed.
I don't see at all how this is doomed. Perhaps Disney owns the future, but Fox must know that they control what people have been craving... The original trilogy. That is a gold mine. Now that George is pretty much out of the picture, I can't see why Fox wouldn't want to jump in and cash in on this valuable asset.
The only chance we had was that maybe the cash flow from stuff like RED TAILS would dry up, now they have an unlimited revenue source and no reason to release the OOT ever again. If Lucas contractually obligated them to make sure it never comes out again, I'd hardly be surprised. The BR sales are the final nail in the coffin, no one cares about the OOT except a passionate minority. With all of the new revenue, why on earth would the OOT be a valuable asset?
Mavimao said:
Mike O said:
Fox is retaining the rights to the earlier films, so nothing new except new stuff not to buy. Unless this'll get the OOT out, which it won't, let's move along. Basically it means we'll be seeing more SW stuff than ever, but who cares? The OOT is still doomed.
I don't see at all how this is doomed. Perhaps Disney owns the future, but Fox must know that they control what people have been craving... The original trilogy. That is a gold mine. Now that George is pretty much out of the picture, I can't see why Fox wouldn't want to jump in and cash in on this valuable asset.
Fox is retaining the rights to the earlier films, so nothing new except new stuff not to buy. Unless this'll get the OOT out, which it won't, let's move along. Basically it means we'll be seeing more SW stuff than ever, but who cares? The OOT is still doomed.
What. The. Fuck.
TV's Frink said:
Mike O said:
This should be in the general board as well, and we should absolutely put it on social media, try to throw a few heavyweights behind it. Incidentally, someone should stage a writing campaign to Mark Kermode's Five Live radio program, that'd be great publicity if they'd plug us.
lol, you're in the wrong thread.
Yeah, I've gathered that, but the point still stands.
This should be in the general board as well, and we should absolutely put it on social media, try to throw a few heavyweights behind it. Incidentally, someone should stage a writing campaign to Mark Kermode's Five Live radio program, that'd be great publicity if they'd plug us.
Apparently various players upscale better than other depending on graphic chips, thus explaining why the PS3 does it well. More research :-p.
The Raiders BR does not bear this out....
generalfrevious said:
Wexter said:
generalfrevious said:To make myself feel better about the situation, and maybe spread the truth to newcomers why we don't like George Lucas.
Absolutely, but you can do so much more. Go to the streets and spread the truth there. And, if possible, stay there :P
I think the newcomers here will get the idea with or without you.
I'm still taking a stand that the OOT is more than just three movies, and that something so monumental shouldn't be taken away like that. Newcomers think they are just movies, and Lucas treats them like they are less than movies.
People got to know!
Erikstormtrooper said:
See if you can find a small cheap ($30) DVD-only player from Wal-Mart that's region free.
I can do that, but it's a short term solution, I'd like to affect a more lasting solution, plus all of the damn bonus material is on BR now.
I will, but I have a number of DVDs from other regions and I'd like to be prepared if I want some BR from them as well.
Right now I'm just praying that I can figure this out so I can watch movies in my bedroom again :p.
My wonderful Phillips DVP-5982 has just died on me. I've tried getting a cleaner, and still no luck. I think it's permanently dead. As pretty much all noteworthy special features have moved to Blu-Ray, I've been dragging my feet about the changeover, but now I'm apparently going to have no choice but to switch over.
Unfortunately, there's a rather significant stumbling block in the form of region-coding. Whereas my wonderful little Phillips player could be unlocked with a few keystrokes, evidently the manufacturers of Blu-Ray caught onto this and have made it considerably more difficult to unlock BR players. Apparently, it requires some actual physical modding which generally has to be done by a third party. I'd rather do it myself, but apparently that is quite difficult. Thinking of looking at eBay, but there're so many choices, I don't know where to start! There is, of course, the famed Oppo BDP-93, but it's a $500 player with $150+ mod!
A bit of an explanation, this is unbelivably long-winded, so if anyone gets to the end of this post, they deserve a medal. I mean, my initial thought was to buy a mid-range player (I work at Meijer and can get a 10% discount, but we mostly have mid-range stuff at best, sadly.), but I then discovered that unlike DVD, BR can't simply be hacked with the remote. Since I still have a CRT TV with a coax connector, so it seems like a bit of overkill, but but every special feature worth a damn seems to have moved to BR. I've thought about buying something pretty good to prepare for the future, but apparently region-free BR is pricey. Then there's the world now. I'd like to be able to do stuff like stream YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, etc. but that's not essential, plus I have my computer for it, or if need be, I can buy a Roku box or something.
I'd have to imagine that pretty much all BR players come with HDMI hookups and will upscale DVDs and have 1080p at this point. I have no interest in 3-D (though I have a sinking feel the industry will attempt to force my hand on that count), but I would like to be able to connect wireless for what are apparently nifty features. I have a few VCDs and a number of multi-region DVDs I'd like to play, and I'd like to be ready for multi-region Blu as well.
I live with my parents at the moment, though of course that could be changing soon. I've always thought of building some some small home theater, the problem is location. I tend to watch my DVDs on bed in my room, where there's no room for surround sound and such. I could always set up a proper HT in the basement and just get a nice LCD TV and stereo for my room, but any level of HT is expensive, and I'm notoriously frugal even with a significant amount of money saved up... I also have an irritating Aspergers-inflected tendency to research the living hell out things before I buy them in an attempt to balance money and quality. Anyway...
I'd consider anything over the $200 mark a bit pricey,
I'd probably go up to about $300, but I don't know if I can get anything decent enough in that range. Admittedly, now DVD players are cheap and Blu-Ray players are getting cheaper (I work at a Meier where we have DVD players at ridiculously low prices, but if you're looking for something region-free, then you can't just grab whatever.). I WAS going to buy a BR player and put my old one down in the basement when I never had one, but so much for THAT plan....
Wait, wait, wait, what's wrong with the Raiders BR? What've I missed?
Maybe they're doing great work, but OOT fans are a small clique now, the version of the film that Lucas wants to be the one known in the public consciousness is the one that's winning. Years down the road few people will know about fan-preservation efforts and they certainly won't preserve films, IMO, at least not in the long-term.
skyjedi2005 said:
Seeing as Lucas is a billionaire if he wanted it he could have the best scanning equipment money could buy.
But you already know that.
It is more of a is it worth it for him money wise considering the expense of restoring the version he would prefer stay buried.
Because the version of the trilogy my generation despises with Hayden at the end is the version that broke BD sales records, nail in coffin.
Yep. Just more proof that we've lost.
stretch009 said:
Mike O said:
Game, set, match.
However you say, it translates to "we're fucked."