Mike O

Fang Zei said:

At this point, an OOT release isn't so much a matter of "if" but "when" and "how" and "what." How will they go about restoring it? Will they include the '97 version for completionism's sake? What about the prequels? Will they now be stuck in their revised form on blu-ray while the OOT remains available?? What about the "official" version of the OT? Will it be re-scanned or will the lowry master linger on even longer?

"When?" At the earliest, probably 2020 when Fox loses the rights to ESB and ROTJ, but I still think it's an "if." And even if they do, last time we got the GOUT, there isn't any reason to believe it'll be a proper restoration. Probably not any time soon, if at all.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Does anybody actually care about getting untouched versions of the PT?

Not being sarcastic, genuinely interested.

Personally I'd be quite happy for all prints of TPM puppet yoda being burned and erased from existence. I care much more about getting ALL the PT deletedmaterial released in HD. Alternate line deliveries, deleted scenes and crucially the half of each movie before it was reshot/f*cked up at the pickup stage. Then faneditors can use it to make even better cuts.

Plus as far as I know all changes have been to add little bits here and there (Taxi, Podrace etc) so at least the material is out there in HD. Unlike the OT where it doesn't exist. Feel free to correct me on this if I'm mistaken.

Well nominally no, but if we are going to take a stand about film preservation and Lucas' historical revisionism, we can't just say it doesn't apply to the PT because we don't like it or we'd be hypocrites. To say nothing of THX1138, which is never, ever, ever getting a proper release.

Mielr said:"The OOT was already released on DVD- so why don't you losers just quit complaining and watch them?!" comments.

Ah, yes the GOUT is now a catch-22. How joyous.

Baronlando said:

http://www.foxconnect.com/star-wars-trilogy-episodes-iv-vi.html

So I guess this is just some pointless repack?

Presumably a DVD version of the changes made to the BR edition for the 9 people interested. Even if it is the OOT, which of course it isn't, It's still not a Blu-Ray release anyway.

Wolfman said:

Baronlando said:

It's probably the newest version on its own DVD. A lot of young kids watch regular DVD, so this makes sense. After all, there's a whole new generation that needs to be utterly bullshitted about what a 35 year old movie looks like.

 Right on ! Quoted for truth.

My thoughts exactly, more revisionist history to further the successful campaign to let more people see the vile SE versions.

Probably just a repackaging of the 2004 discs. Hopefully FOX are trying to cash in one last time before Disney buy it from them to release the OOT, but I probably have a better chance of marrying a supermodel, but hey, one can dream 

I refuse to believe that they can't. Won't? Sure. Don't want to commit the time and effort, and more importantly the money? Hell yes. But can't? With the resources they have? I doubt it.

CatBus said:

Laserschwert said:

generalfrevious said:

At least (hopefully) it won't be letterboxed like last time. I'd rather have a DNR'd OT than have them sit in a basement at LFL's offices.

It will definitely be letterboxed, because there are no anamorphic Blu-rays.

Don't be so sure. They could crop it to 16:9 ;-)

A new official OUT release just opens the discussion of how badly they could screw it up.  I still think the best-case scenario is they release the '81 crawl on Star Wars with the '93 mixes all around and they're still pretty faded.  The good news is that it pretty much has to be new scans.

So yeah, yay for new sources for Harmy to fix up and make presentable...

If you can't do something correctly, you shouldn't do it at all. I'd love to be more optimistic about this, but even if it does happen, they still have plenty of things they can fuck up. 

dvdmike said:

I got censored for saying it on bluray.com so will say it here:

 

Bill Hunt has a black spot for Fox

He reviewd the DNR mess of Patton and said it was great

He lied and said all 4 Alien films had a new master, only 2 did

He says every year for the last 4 years that True Lies and the Abyss are coming out this year and that he has in inside tip.

 

Guy just makes up shit for hits, or he trusts someone that is full of shit.

Either way until there is a real Announcement from FOX then I do not trust his bullshit 

This. There have been rumors flying ever since the Disney purchase, but nothing substantive. Until some rep from the corporation says something, I think is fanboy wishful thinking.

It's a legitimate question. If the OOT came out again, I'd watch in a heartbeat, and I certainly share the desires if everyone here in hoping that it'll come out. But I just have trouble seeing past the bullsht right now, all of this stuff has taken the magic away. If the originals come out and I can finally just watch them properly for what that they are, it'd probably come back to me. 

In all seriousness, I do wish the guy the best. I hate many of his artistic decisions, but as a person, he's done well by me, especially with his philanthropy. I applaud him for giving to those in need, and I hope that he finds happiness in his own life.

Laserschwert said:

Well, I haven't heard of this before, and since the search-function on this board is as helpful as flushing the toilet, I don't know if you have:

Teaser

Trailer

Yeah, with all due respect to Mr. Sylvester, I kind of wish he'd redesign the forums, but of course if he did that, it would probably mean jettisoning everything that's here now.

I don't remember the last time I watched the OOT, it's been years. What's happened to the franchise has become such a bitter point for me that I've divorced myself from all things Star Wars, and haven't watch since at least 2004 or so, if not longer. I try not watch Indiana Jones stuff either, blockbusters always hang in the specter of the films Lucas says "don't exist anymore," they all sadly remind me of Star Wars though. I know, I know seek therapy :p. But the joy has been sucked out of it for me.

I keep hoping vainly that with the loss of profits Disney have suffered from John Carter of Mars and The Lone Ranger, they'll consider releasing the OOT properly. While I'm at it, I wish for a billion dollars, a Cadillac, world peace, a date with a supermodel who loves nerds, a new home theater system, and a Star Trek transporter.

Unfortunately, all of my comments have that new name now for some reason, and there doest appear to be any way to unfuck it. Just fuck you Google. 

OK, deep calming breaths. I wanted to comment on a video. YouTube linked me in with my parents Google Plus account, which I did not know existed, and now my username has changed. The whole family has one e-mail account. I have my own e-mail account now, but I haven't switched everything over yet, so YouTube does everything through the central one that I signed up with a long time ago. I do not want my username to change. If that was what I wanted my fucking username to be, that's what I would have made my fucking username! I don't suppose I can change it BACK?!

EDIT: Apparently, you can change it back within 14 days. Luckily, I was able to. Until it fucks up something else again.

Having said that, if the fans flock to see this and continue to support Disney's various Star Wars projects rather than boycott them en masse to make a statement about the OOT, then.....Ah, hell then it won't make any difference anyway.

I don't suppose that we can actually take this idea to Jay and have the whole thing taken seriously to give our cause a serious push now that all of the stuff that's happened lately has happened.

Mielr said:

 

SilverWook said:

Baronlando said:

From what I've heard, sales of any blu ray that isn't a new release have been shockingly low, and not getting significantly better. I don't see how that can continue for too long but I'd like to be wrong. Supposedly even always-reliable titles like Wizard of Oz and Godfather fell way, way below projections. 

Oz is out of print right now, and Warners is going to milk it for the 75th anniversary next year. Maybe somebody will find some lost footage by then.

Blu-ray players are super cheap now ($69 is not unusual) and will eventually replace DVD-only players altogether (why would anyone buy one now?)

DVD releases are also being subtly phased out as the studios trump their new blu-ray releases.

I think what's happening is just that people aren't replacing their old DVD editions with blu-rays, they're only buying titles on blu-ray that they don't already own on DVD. It's understandable, because in many cases the DVDs still look pretty good.

"OZ" had a pretty stellar DVD release several years back ('05?) which I think probably hurt sales for the recent DVD & Blu-ray release.

I doubt they'll find any more lost "OZ" footage, unfortunately, aside from what's already been released. In those days they were pretty thorough when it came to destroying stuff they felt was unneeded. But who knows....;-)

 

Regular BR players may be, but the region free issue is way more complicated than it was on DVD and more pricey as well. 

Davnes007 said:

Moncynnes said:

Ponder this:

 

Which will get a DVD release first?  The Star Wars Holiday Special or Disney's Song of the South?

 

Discuss.

Song of The South - Because it's worth watching.

You know, I understand their reticence to release Song of the South, but couldn't they do an online special-order exclusive thing where adults with credit cards could buy it?

bkev said:

But who's there to say no to him this time? Is he not still to be surrounded by yes-men?

Well, what it sounds like is that he sold it outright and therefore shouldn't be involved directly. Now, as for what Lucas put into the contract, none of us know...

georgec said:

Mike O said:

I thought George was out of the picture altogether?

OK, well I wasn't dumb enough to actually think that, but that's what most of the press has made it sound like.

nightstalkerpoet said:

As for what's missing on that FAQ 

-Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford have both expressed interest in being in the next film. Carrie Fisher has not taken a position.

-J.J. Abrams isn't interested in being director. Neither are Steven Spielberg, Zack Snyder, or Quentin Tarantino.

-George has a completed 50 page treatment.

... Trying to find more.

I thought George was out of the picture altogether?

msycamore said:

SilverWook said:

I asked about THX over at the HTF, and was told it probably resides with American Zoetrope.

It looks like it's Warner Bros who owns it along with the distribution rights going by the DVD/Bluray cases of the 2004 cut, no mention of Lucasfilm at all. But I guess that American Zoetrope have a say in it as well. There really should be a petition started in order to get the 1971 studio cut and 1978 restored cut released.

I agree with this. Apparently, the DVD doesn't even mention the changes in he documentary or the commentary. The changes to Raiders and American Graffiti may be minor, but the ones for THX 1138 aren't. We should raise awareness. I wonder if its Lucas holding that up, or if a release of the originals just isn't seen as profitable. There's a joke thread over in off-topic about expanding the petition for this site on social media, but if someone was willing got ale it more seriously, we should start a grassroots movement here. Star Wars OOT, AG, ROTLA, and THX are all issue which loom over this; Lucas has made a serious issue here regarding revisionist history and film preservation, especially with the Library of Congress issue and denying the AFI the screening of the original prints. This is an important issue, and I think more should he done to raise it. We SHOULD fire up Twitter, Facebook, etc. and try to make some noise with celebrities and publications and try to get the word out. 

SilverWook said:

I asked about THX over at the HTF, and was told it probably resides with American Zoetrope. Universal probably retains AG, and Paramount keeps the existing Indy films.

Do they just keep the distribution rights or the films outright? I wonder what's been the deal with those changes.dis they get commissioned by Lucas or Speilberg? Wonder if we'll ever see them again. 

SilverWook said:

I asked about THX over at the HTF, and was told it probably resides with American Zoetrope. Universal probably retains AG, and Paramount keeps the existing Indy films.

So, in other words, no :(. 

AuggieBenDoggie said:

 

Tuxsam said:

Is this reliable? It looks like they nailed the 3D releases.

 

Marketsaw is a reliable source, but they are not the only ones giving out that same news. I think Aint it cool.com has the same news also.

 

 

Mike O said:

Did they restore the OOT before the creation of the SEs? Where would they get prints if they didn't? Splice it together? Which audio mix would they use? How would they remix it? Where would they draw the line in the changes made prior to the SEs? Would they recomposite effects or use the old ones? Garbage mattes? Way too many questions. And who is SuperShadow?

 

Lucasfilm went back to the original negatives, cleaned it up, and recomposited certain elements, and made a HD digital masters for the 97 special editions, before any new FX work was added. Some of this has already been address by Rick Maccullum for the video release of the 97 SE's. All the original film elements still exist today, including the original negative, and it's still not to far gone to be used again. It can still be color corrected. They did it for the 97 special editions, and it can be done again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhLUdy3RDpM

 

The FX work was done digitally, That means the print was scanned into a server ( or some disc based system ) for ILM to add the new FX work. Then that was exported to the editing dept to composite and edit everything together digitally. Then that was reprinted on analog film.

The master copy for the OUT audio is in analog. All the sound elements were recorded on tape. Later on they were digitized. No one recordes a master copy soundtrack in Dolby, DTS ( now known as DATASAT DIGITAL SOUND) or SDDS. Studios have to contract out for that. The studio soundtrack masters today are recorded digitally as uncompressed audio files, and they stay that way through the editing process. And the soundtrack files are stored as uncompressed audio files for later use.

 

 

Mike O said:

I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole or anything, but why should we believe you about your "sources?" Who are they? Will Harris be involved? Where would they get original film elements? This is so many years in the future, who's to say that it'll happen anyway? Who's to say that Lucas didn't put some sort of cast-iron clause in his contract to forever lock out the OOT? Especially given what's happened with the Library of Congress situation.

 

 

You have the right to believe anything you want to.

 

 

Any word on the other Lucas properties they've acquired? Any plans for the theatrical cuts of THX 1138, American Graffiti, or Raiders? Any idea when this is in the pipeline for release? Any time soon?

AuggieBenDoggie said:

You have the right to believe anything you want to.

Hey, I'd love to believe you, it's just that as an OOT fan, I've been so burned lately, and this news seems to have come out of nowhere and not yet have been officially reported, that I'm skeptical. I'd would love few things less in this world than to be wrong. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, you've just come claiming all my dreams may come true in the near future, and I haven't seen it officially reported anywhere as yet. If this is really coming in the near future, I'll be happy as can be. And if you're really telling us the truth, I doth my cap to you, and I hope for all of the best. I don't want to be confrontational, it just sounds way too good to be true.

Imrahil said:

Bingowings said:

Alexrd said:

Bingowings said:

Alexrd said:

Bingowings said:

I liked the Vong.

The idea of living beings that are not connected to the Force is ignoring the most basic "rules" of Star Wars. The idea of an enemy coming from another galaxy opens a whole can of worms and is too far-fetched for me to accept. So is living spaceships and the like.

I'd stay away from most of the classics of science fiction and space opera if I were you then.

Can't see the correlation.

Most of the classics of science fiction and space opera have organic ships and intergalactic invasions in them at some point.

If you find these concepts far-fetched you will not enjoy those classics.

You keep saying this.  Let's see:

2001 - nope

Foundation Trilogy - nope

Dune - nope

Martian Chroicles - nope

Anything by William Gibson - nope

I mean, this is just off the top of my head.

The only thing I can think of at all that has these living ships you're talking about is stuff like Babylon 5 or Starship Troopers.

FarScape had a living ship. Starship Troopers the novel may have, the film didn't.

skyjedi2005 said:

Is there someone these days as good as Lawrence Kasdan in his prime when he wrote Empire and Raiders?

Good question, no one comes to mind, actually.

AntcuFaalb said:

Even if the new movies are objectively better than the OT, they will still lack that late 70s/early 80s aesthetic that so many of us love. :-(

Yeah, I agree that CG doesn't have the physical weigh of "real" FX, but we're sort of pining for horse and buggies here, I mean everything is done with CG now, that doesn't mean CG can be used well. I mean, lets face it, the era is gone. I miss it too, but so it goes. It hardly means the films can't be good.

bkev said:

^This. You definitely have to think about this when considering the sequel trilogy. It will suffer the same way many thought Prometheus did design-wise, no matter what. Hell, even the prequels did (and I actually rather liked some of the designs for the ships/locations [though not all, of course].)

I always think of Live Free or Die Hard. I like the it, but I think that the CG (and the director) gives everything such a cartoonish quality that it robs the series of the physical punch it had. Effects techniques and film aesthetics are just different now, you can shake the camera and nick your frames, but the world doesn't look like that anymore. As for Prometheus, it's the same. It's a beautifully designed film (albeit one with an incoherent screenplay, but that's for another time), but it doesn't have the grime that Alien had.