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#307223
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Originally posted by: Sevb32
I have commend Adywan for using a model (something Lucas is no longer brave enough to do)

Actually more miniatures and models were used in each prequal then the entire OT combined. Watch some making of docus sometime. A lot of physical models were used for the prequels.


My comment was more directed at his misuse of CG in the special editions rather than the prequels, but they didn't make a single suit of clone-trooper armour and hence none of them look real, they might of used a lot of models, but they could have done with using a lot more and a few more real locations and real sets, I think the real problem is when you take a model shot and cover it in CG it makes the model look like CG as well.

But I concede it was a bit of a low blow at Lucas, however this isn't really the place for that discussion.
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#307220
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/307220/action/topic#307220
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I grabbed this off the news groups yesterday and have been seeding it ever since, but unfortunately I haven't had a chance to sit down and watch it yet, but I've flicked through and what I've seen is amazing.

On the subject of 'the arm' it does look a bit wrong to me, but I have commend Adywan for using a model (something Lucas is no longer brave enough to do) and it looks great compared to the version from the 'lost cut':

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8868/handyv8.jpg

Until today I just assumed it was meant to be Pona Baba's arm but ignoring what the novel and script say and any bits of secondary canon, just looking at the film Ponda Baba never actually draws a gun and wouldn't really have time to.

I had a look through and here you can see the human draw a gun, note Ponda Baba's hands still at his sides:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9878/94155451yq4.jpg

Then we see it is still only the human holding a gun, the next shot after this is obi-wan slashing at the arm:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3221/30689862jg0.jpg

I think the idea that it is Ponda Baba's arm just came from a continuity mistake in the editing and that it is the same as his sleeve, but really it never could be his arm.

Personally I think it would make more sense if it was a human arm (great possibility for Adywan (his arm anyway) to make a cameo), it's a shame this has only come up after Adywan had finished his edit.

But like I said everything else looks great.
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#301972
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RELEASED: &quot;Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Special Longer Version)&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/301972/action/topic#301972
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Originally posted by: FanFiltration
Originally posted by: Mitch
Awesome! As for the film - I still wish the BBC when they releaed the specail longer version in widescreen 5 years ago would not have cropped it - why would they have done this? They even billed it as widescreen! I just don't understand why that network would do that?

But you have made me forget about this with your release -

Question - what are you doing about the Checkov hadn spray scene then?


I have no idea why the BBC would do that...

As for the "Checkov hand spray scene", we just cut out the 2 seconds. It's not important to the story at all, so *SNIP SNIP*...

FF


Assuming this is the same 'smirk shot' you discussed earlier would in not be possible to overlay the fullscreen image on the widescreen? the shot seems fairly static and there is no movement in the background.

Based on the clip you posted before it should be possible or is the difference in quality too great?

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#292403
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Info Wanted: Harry Potter &amp; Prisoner of Azkaban - extended version on ABC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/292403/action/topic#292403
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
What was extended about the Sir Cadogan scene? "Yeah, we'll call on you... if we need someone mental." line by Ron is in the theatrical film. Same thing with the bird running into the whomping willow, both those "deleted scenes" on disc 2 already are in the film, aren't they?
They could have put the Ron and Hermione telling Harry about Hogsmead scene in or did that require some effect to be added which wasn't?


The sir cadogan scene wasn't in the theatrical cut and the bird scene on disc 2 is slightly extended as the theatrical cut doesn't feature Hagrid swatting at the bird, the scene in the great hall wasn't finished, in the script Harry was meant to have smoke coming from his ears after eating the candy.
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#290505
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/290505/action/topic#290505
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I'm considering putting my HP2 edit on hold.
Warner has announced HD releases of "many of the Harry Potter films timed to the release of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix".

That means, if nothing else, better source material available. We should probably expect the OAR, and since there are no details yet, we can't say for sure they will be the theatrical cuts.

Let us evaluate:
-That's a really short turnover. 25 days to release and yet they are not yet listed on Amazon.com.
-I also recall hearing that the first few films have had DVD production stopped the beginning of this year. (Does anyone else remember that or am I crazy?)

This is starting to smell like secret surprise release, but first we want to clear the shelves of the old editions.


I do remember hearing about them pulling the dvd's off the shelves and at the time it was speculated this was to allow for HD releases of all the films, I would imagine these will be the theatrical cuts in OAR. I personally suspect they will release extended editions only after the 7th film is released, although I assume that seamless branching is easier on HD media so it's possible one day we'll have two versions in one.
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#289977
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289977/action/topic#289977
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I was basing my answer on the fact that the full-screen dvd releases of 1,2 and 4 are Open Matte but POA is pan and scan, although this is not conclusive it would be a very odd choice if it was filmed on super 35, perhaps IMDB is wrong because people have assumed they are all the same, or maybe it is super 35 but it was pan and scanned because the effects weren't done in full-screen as they were on the others. see here for details on the framing of the fullscreen dvds.

Also I seem to recall that all the screenshots I've seen from previous airings of POA in HD have been cropped down on the sides.
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#289963
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Info: Harry Potter TV Edits?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289963/action/topic#289963
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the 1st, 2nd and 4th were super 35, but the 3rd was not, so anything other than the OAR will give you less image.

It kind of makes sense that the Cadagon scene is the only one included as it's the only one that was fully finished on the dvd, I plan to do an extended version using more of the deleted scenes (and more than ADM used in his version), but it keeps slipping down my to-do list for various reasons.
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#289236
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Ripping video from DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289236/action/topic#289236
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Originally posted by: Max_Rebo
the duration in virtual dub is correct and it plays back at normal speed, but some frames do appear interlaced (which shouldn't ever happen with PAL) ...

You shouldn't get interlaced frames with PAL for those movies shot on film. However, this was a made-for-TV movie, so it's possible that you're dealing with a poor NTSC-PAL conversion. This might be what's throwing Womble off, don't know, only ever used it once.

I can think of two possible solutions, neither is ideal:

1. Process the video with AVISynth or VirtualDub to try and make it progressive. This means re-encoding the whole stream.
2. Buy the Region 1 NTSC version and see if you get the same effects.


This was indeed a made for TV movie but as far as I know it was shot on film also there has never been an NTSC release of this dvd so option 2 is out.

I've been having a closer look at things and the sped up play in zoomplayer etc. doesn't seem to be related to the interlacing as I have tried ripping some different dvds and they all do the same but show no evidence of intelacing and all frames are present.

Since my reasoning for missing frames was the sped up play and that no longer seems legitimate I had another look and all the frames do seem to be there but many are interlaced, my new working theory is that the field order is wrong as I believe this would cause this effect, but I'm only guessing and I could be completely wrong.

anyway I seem to be having issues with my hard-drive at the moment so I'll have to have another look at this later.
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#289094
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Ripping video from DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/289094/action/topic#289094
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Originally posted by: vbangle
With that kind of corruption it sounds like your DVD drive is dirty....I'd try cleaning it or spend $20 on a new DVD-Rom?

I suppose that's possible, but I don't have a problem with any other programs accessing the dvd drive and all dvd's playback fine from the discs, plus it just seems far too repeatable to be caused by dirt.

Originally posted by: pittrek
Didn't you get a "Pack header not found" error during the ripping ?


I didn't get any error messages, here's the log from dvddecrypter in case it give any insight:

I 18:50:46 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started!
I 18:50:46 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 18:50:46 Initialising SPTI...
I 18:50:46 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 18:50:46 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!
I 18:51:07 Operation Started!
I 18:51:07 Source Device: [1:0:0] BENQ DVD DD DW1620 B7W9 (D (ATA)
I 18:51:07 Source Media Type: DVD-ROM
I 18:51:07 Source Media Region Code: 2, 4
I 18:51:07 Source Media Copyright Protection System Type: CSS/CPPM
I 18:51:07 Source Media Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab
I 18:51:07 Destination Folder: E:\BBCDVD1043\VIDEO_TS\
I 18:51:07 File Splitting: None
I 18:51:07 Detect Mastering Errors: No
I 18:51:07 Remove Macrovision Protection: Yes
I 18:51:07 Stream Processing: Yes
I 18:51:13 Decryption Key: DF 30 3C DC 59
I 18:51:13 Extracting Sectors...
I 19:02:09 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:11:02
I 19:02:09 Average Read Rate: 7,153 KB/s (5.2x) - Maximum Read Rate: 10,702 KB/s (7.7x)


Originally posted by: Moth3r
Open your demuxed MPV file in VirtualDubMod and check the duration; also look through frame-by-frame to check if it really is interlaced.


the duration in virtual dub is correct and it plays back at normal speed, but some frames do appear interlaced (which shouldn't ever happen with PAL) I believe the missing frames are being filled in with an interlacing of the proceeding and following frame.


Thank you all for your thoughts, I will try cleaning my drive but I don't have much hope that it will help, any further suggestions are more than welcome.
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#288944
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Ripping video from DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/288944/action/topic#288944
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Hi all,

I've been having trouble ripping the video off dvd's, I'm using DVDdecrypter as suggested in ADMs guide, and at first it seemed fine, but I now realize that the video seems to be missing about one third of the frames!

when I put the video in womble it has the correct duration but the video stutters and occasionally looks interlaced, when I play it in anything else (zoomplayer, realplayer, mediaplayer, powerDVD) it plays back sped up and has a duration reduced by about a third.

I can't understand why this is happening the only obvious difference to what ADM was doing is that I am using PAL DVDs. I've tried changing all sorts of settings in DVDdecrypter but I always get the same result (with exactly the same file size and duration).

If anyone has any good ideas as to what I'm doing wrong I'd really like to hear them.

Cheers.
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#287025
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/287025/action/topic#287025
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Originally posted by: OBtwosy
wow. so totally forgive me - yeesh.

sorry that my post bugs you - I wasn't making a request (file formats, additions) just asking what I thought was a decent question related in part to the "princess/captain" change noted in a previous post above.

when i first saw the film at 4 yrs old, no it didn't bug me... no more than "there'll be no escape for the princess this time"

yet if the films are "the primary source of all known information about the Star Wars universe." why change the above line? was the film wrong??

like I said sorry, I wasn't trying to attack you. You make a good point about the "princess/captain" change, but the difference is although it is obviously 'correct' it doesn't make much sense based on other information provided in the film, and no it probably didn't bother me the first time but it has started to do so.


Originally posted by: OBtwosy

or why change the blue rebellion insignias in the breifing on Yavin 4, or the fact that Greedo didn't blink in the original, or any number of changes (which I LOVE) about this edit

i'm just grateful that adywan is doing this edit

there are many changes that I like in this edit and many which which I think are unnecessary, but I too am grateful to Adywan for the work he is putting in.

Originally posted by: OBtwosy
perhaps you missed this part of the post: "If not, no prob... just one of those lines that's always bugged me." I should have clarified with this caveat: "...just one of those lines that's bugged me since about the 80th time I saw the film on on VHS and found out (through a Lucas licensed product) that this droid was called R5-D4"


I guess this is where the difference of opinion come in, rather than the difference bugging me, I just find it amusing that they obviously didn't pay much attention when producing the licensed products and rather than just admitting they were wrong they have propagated loads of theories as to why Luke was wrong.

Originally posted by: OBtwosy
- I'll just keep my well intentioned questions to myself and stay a lurker until I see the final edit.
strike that - I'll just keep thanking adywan for his work.
you are entitled to thinking me daft, as I'm entitled to not liking that original line.

peace


please don't stop posting on my count, I was a bit harsh but really I was just trying to share an opinion, i don't think you daft and your opinions are just as valid as mine. To be honest my opinion matters very little as this edit will never become the version of Star Wars I watch, as i just don't think there are this many things that need changing.

But in the end the only thing that really matters what Adywan himself wants to include.

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#286871
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286871/action/topic#286871
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Originally posted by: OBtwosy
Ady - double checked your list prior to asking this:
Did you happen to change Luke's line about "this R2 unit has a bad motivator" by any chance? or is just chalked up to Luke not knowing much about astromech droids, since this is a an R5 unit? If not, no prob... just one of those lines that's always bugged me. just wondering. You efforts are HUGELY appreciated by us salivating fans.



Forgive me but this really bugs me. (also really forgive me if you were joking)

If Luke Skywalker says it's an R2 unit, then why don't you believe him?

when you first saw the film did you think "hang on he's got that wrong!"? No. Why? because the films are the primary source of all known information about the Star Wars universe.

But what happened is that when they were designing the toys (or some other piece of tie-in merchandise) they didn't check their facts and they named it R5-.., and now your suggesting that the film is changed to fit in with other products that were named incorrectly because someone at some point didn't pay enough attention to the film.

It was always an R2 unit, it will always be an R2 unit, the whole system of astromech naming was only devised after the films were produced, and the prequels don't adhere to it so why would you suggest altering the original film to adhere to it?

again very sorry, rant over.
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#286711
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/286711/action/topic#286711
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Originally posted by: adywan
...
2. Changed 3P0's line from " there will be no escape for the princess this time" to " there will be no escape this time". Fixes an error when Luke sees the hologram but 3PO has no idea who she is but hasn't had his memory wiped.
Heh, I had thought about this change before (was thinking about changing to "there will be no escape for the captain this time" - setting up the Vader choking Antilles scene).

Or you could believe that 3PO received an instruction to keep Leia's identity secret...


I mentioned this way back on page 33, but I don't think I ever got a response, although I think the edited line in Adywan's trailer sounded OK I'd rather hear it with captain (which is how it appears in the novel adaptation).

Please consider it Adywan.
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#285305
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Help: looking for... 1997 SE TB Digital Broadcasts
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/285305/action/topic#285305
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I have a fondness for the '97SE as it's how I first remember seeing star wars, although I much prefer the original version. I have both the G'kar and TB versions (although my TB discs are also effected by CRC errors), I think the G'kar version has a very slightly better picture quality, so I will usually watch that version since I know what all the text says anyway, (plus I enjoy listening to Yoda in German.)

The only real problem with these versions is that the frame is cropped on the sides and stretched, which you don't really notice when you watch it but it is quite annoying that it wasn't done properly.

Originally posted by: MoBiUs
There are serveral 1997SE "High Quality" releases

1. The "TB release" SE, which is an English DVB recordings.
2.The "GKar" SE, German DVB recordings.
3. HDTV 1080p versions released on Usenet awhile back(German & English versions)

I am trying to get my hands on the German & English(UK) HDTV 1080P releases & also wouldnt mind the TB release.



I had never heard of there being a HD version of the '97 version only the 2004 version, can anyone confirm this? or does anyone have them? I would love to get copies of them.
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#282889
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Idea: an edit of the Rocky Horror Picture Show!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282889/action/topic#282889
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Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
I love the seamless branching idea, a lot of your ideas are good, def some color tweaks fo his lips, and since it's open matte and I sure in the hell don't feel like doing a laserdisc transfer I think i'll prolly stick with solely widescreen or crop off more of the image, or start a campaign for a fullscreen dvd lol.

I wasn't sure if there was a full screen dvd available, but even if there was I wouldn't buy it just for this, I will just crop the edges off of the widescreen image up until the time warp.


Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
But I agree with the whole only color being his lips thing untill it gets to a certain point but should that point be when brad and janet walk in the room right after meeting frank or should it be when frank throws off his cape or transition in the middle of him singing sweet transvestite or should it be when the camera flashes back to brad and janet, so many possibilities! I'd also like to see a version where the only color throughout the whole movie is his lips tho!


yeah, even though there's no reason to believe this is how it was 'meant to be' i think it would be quite effective, I'm not sure I'd want to do it for the whole film as it would be a lot of effort and I just don't think I'd ever watch it like that.

Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
And no the US version doesn't have that song in the film but it's got it in the extras and to be honest there is a reason why they left it out, it doesnt fit the style of the movie at all and it's a horrible song, even worse than superheroes. Not to mention the quality of that scene in the extras is subpar to that of the rest of the movie so it would be even more jarring when added back in even if the whole movie was in black and white!


I thought I'd read that there was once a version released with 'Once in a while' integrated back into the film but I could be wrong, Personally I don't think it's a horrible song (it's been in my head for two days and I still like it) visual style doesn't fit but that's because the footage of brad for the first verse is missing and because of this it isn't as it would have appeared in the film and has been edited together in a music video style (like any song associated with a film that has clips of the movie), I hope that I can edit it closer to as it is in the script and I think it will then work quite well, I believe it was only cut originally to cut the length of the film and because it wouldn't be missed as easily as some other songs.

Superheroes on the other hand is a great song and works wonderfully at the end of the film, it was included in the European theatrical release of the film and was only cut from the American version to make the ending softer, so that it didn't end on such a down beat.

but each to thier own, I started playing around in womble yesterday but I'm only working on the once in a while segment for now, to be honest that is my primary reason for doing anything with this film, the black and white stuff is just for additional options.

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#282589
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Idea: an edit of the Rocky Horror Picture Show!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282589/action/topic#282589
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I understand what you're getting at, I would say the original intention was to shoot the early scenes in 4:3 black and white, but I believe that the whole film was shot in widescreen (an obviously in colour) therefore the only option for the early scenes would be to crop the sides off. The only way I can think to check would be to find a full screen version and compare it with the widescreen to see if it is open matte.

Edit: just had a look at some clips from youtube and it looks like the fullscreen version is open matte.

I watched that bit of the documentary and I think it confirms how I interpreted the script, so I turned down the colour on my TV and watched the Time Warp in black and white, it looks good, probably because the set was designed to be black and white, but I'm not sure how effective the colour transition on Frank's face would be his lips are such a dark red I'm not sure it would have the right impact but it's worth a try, the only reason I can think that they didn't have the technology to do it is because this was a very low budget flm and they couldn't afford to try. The easter egg doesn't make much sense but the transition works well and I'm sure it would have been done with the consent of the film makers.

I think for myself I might do a few versions and see which I like:

1. Red lips at the begining fade over the black and white church scene, colour comes in during the Time Warp, whole thing in wide screen, this wouldn't be much work as it only involves fiddling with the lips fading everything else is already on the DVD.

2. As scritped, red curtains open up onto the Fox Logo in 4:3 in black and white then the clips from the films as mentioned in the script with new credits in between also in black and white, this would then run straight into the church scene (minus the opening few shots which include the lips) still in 4:3 then switch to widescreen during time warp and full colour on frank's face.

3. Another option (admittedly of my own invention) is to have have black and white up to frank's face, then use some trickery so that his lips are the only colour until he walks away and when his back blocks the whole screen as he walks into the ballroom it revert to the normal colour, then again you get a great look of shock from brad and janet directly after the transition.

Since these all only affect the first 20ish min of the film they could all be put on one disc with an option to chose between them, or two options one for the titles one for the colour transition, although the ability to do that is currently beyond me.

the other thing I would want to do is reinsert the Once in a while scene cutting it back together as scripted with the pink shots of Janet making her way to the lab and ending before the 'if only' scene and Janet Seeing Brad on the monitor. Does the US version have this scene in the Film? if so when does it take place?

loads to think about, I might rip the DVD to my hard drive this evening and start playing.
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#282547
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Idea: an edit of the Rocky Horror Picture Show!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282547/action/topic#282547
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Hi DarthBalls,

I am also a Rocky Horror fan, I have loved the film for years and have attended the Stage show a couple of times in a full Frank outfit, I had never really thought about editing the film but your ideas have got me thinking, my thoughts:

Edit 1. This should be relatively easy many programs allow you to mirror video, and for audio you could either just use the original mono track (which I believe is on the Region 1 DVD, but annoyingly for me not on the Region 2), or just flip the channels of the 5.1 track, there are a few programs that can seperate out the channels into .wav files then all you'd need to do was re-name the left to right and the right to left and re-combine them. I have no use for this edit but I wish you luck in completing it.

Edit 3. this would deffinitely be more difficult and beyond my abilities, it would be cool if done well but I have no advice.

Edit 2. Now this one really interests me, I'd never read much trivia on how the film was scripted but I have been reading for the last couple of days and have found some iteresting stuff. I was reading the script here and it describes the exact shots that were to be used from the referenced movies, and it wouldn't be too difficult to create these titles if you had all those films on DVD (which saddly I don't). It might be worth contacting the guy who posted the clips on youtube and seeing he has then in higher quality since he has various versions that could be used as they are or combined in different ways to taste.

With regards to the black and white I havn't read anything that says the film would be black and white throughout. The stories are either that it should change to colour during the Time Warp when the doors open, or when Frank's face is first seen.
On the dvd as an easter egg there is a version of the film that changes during the Time warp which has a very good impact, but unfortunately the lips at the begining are also grey which looks stupid.
The script linked above supports that it would go to colour on franks face, I think the thing with the lips supposedly being the only colour throughout the film comes from a misenterpretation of the script:
--------------------------------------------
GO TO COLOUR AT BEGINNING OF FOLLOWING SCENE
--------------------------------------------

54 INT. LIFT/HALL NIGHT

The figure turns and throws open lift cage door. As camera zooms in to
the death mask above them the film changes from black and white to
colour. However the only colour in evidence is the red lipstick on the
mouth of their host.

I think rather than refering to any post preduction trickery this just refers to Franks face being white and grey except the lips so they stand out, the next shot would then reveal everything in colour.

Personally I wouldn't want the Time Warp to be black and white even though that's how it's scripted, I like the transition on the DVD easter egg it works really well with th look of shock on brad and Janet's faces as they enter the ball room, but it doesn't work with the titles.

But also from the script there is more on this in the script amendments at the end:

1/2 The film will now commence in Black and White on "ACADEMY"
format. It will extend to wide screen (1.1 - 85) at
Sequence 41, while still remaining in black and white. At
Sequence 54 the film changes to colour.

so this means the plan at one time was to start with 4:3 ratio Black and White up until the doors open during the time warp when it would change to widescreen (1:1.85) but still black and white, then change to colour on Frank's face (and during that shot his lips would be the only colour due to the make up).

I'd be curious to see it edited closed to the script and I might do a version of it myself, although I'd want to use the original mono track to give it a more authentic sound and I don't have a copy, I won't be starting this anytime soon (although I might play around doing some rough cuts), but I'm happy to discuss ideas.