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#131013
Topic
Fanboy's Official TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES Fan Cut Thread (unfinished project)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/131013/action/topic#131013
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some very good points, as I said I've only seen it once so i'd forgotten some of that (might have to watch it again somewhen), the epilouge doesn't bother me as it is said in hindsight and they could have tried to stop judgement day without knowing it was impossible to stop and only afterwards did they realise the futility of their actions.

The stuff about sarah leaving weapons in here grave is a problem and a contradiction, she believed she had stopped judgement day so why would she? the only explaination would be that these things were in her will and she wrote that when she was in hospital before the events of T2 and didn't get round to changing it, but if I believed that I'd be like all the people who make up rubbish excuses for the errors in the prequels when really it is just down to bad production.

thanks for the disscussion, it was fun, I really should watch this film again (although it was painful first time round) I do believe there is enough good in it to make a better edit though, go for it fanboy I'll help however I can although I too am only just starting on the road of editing.
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#130916
Topic
Fanboy's Official TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES Fan Cut Thread (unfinished project)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130916/action/topic#130916
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Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
Max_Rebo wrote:
I never quite understood why people had a problem with this, changing the past is integral to the plot of T2, the machines were only created because time was changed, and then it was changed back at the end of the film, it's a big paradox and it is different to most films dealing with time travel (i.e. Twelve monkeys where everything is preset), in these films time is fluid (like back to the future things can be changed)

Actually, CYBERDINE Industries, who was the creator of the machines, was in business in the original Terminator. There may have been a paradox sub-plot there (not talking about John's father and Sarah having sex and getting her pregnant with John which was an obvious paradox), but the machines being created because of the destroyed machine left in the Cyberdine building can be taken either way in my opinion. They would have come up with the technology eventually, it just would have taken longer.



exactly it's a similar time line just the date is changed by the activities of time travel.


Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
Max_Rebo wrote:
"No fate but what we make." the future is not determined, that's the whole point of the second and third film.


No, it is the point of the second film which is contradcted in the third film. Like you said, time is fluid, not preset, but Judgment day is apparently set. The only thing that can be changed is the date and the characters involved. That is what contradicts the other two movies. If there is "no fate but what we make," then how come we can't stop Judgment day from happening?


I don't think there is any contradiction (although I have only seen T3 once and may be missing something), there is nothing to say judgement day must happen, in T2 they believe that stopping cyberdine systems will stop the war but "hard to predict, the future is", they fail to take into acount the existance of sky-net which is a fundamental cog in the system, judgement day happens because of the AI of sky-net not because of the terminators, they are just a tool, this is cleverest bit of T3. But aslo judgement day may always happen because that is where the human race is leading and it is time for us to be judged?

I appologise if I haven't explained myself very well
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#130893
Topic
Fanboy's Official TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES Fan Cut Thread (unfinished project)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130893/action/topic#130893
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I would remove any references to "delaying" Judgement Day - I'd rather pretend there was no discrepancy with dates, and that history was set - the events of T1-3 simply being to lead up to what's already happened (and we're told the humans have just about beaten the machines in T1, the time travel being a last ploy by Skynet to change history). For this reason I would also have to remove the killing of John's "lieutenants" (the kids at the party) since that's changing history.


I never quite understood why people had a problem with this, changing the past is integral to the plot of T2, the machines were only created because time was changed, and then it was changed back at the end of the film, it's a big paradox and it is different to most films dealing with time travel (i.e. Twelve monkeys where everything is preset), in these films time is fluid (like back to the future things can be changed)

"No fate but what we make." the future is not determined, that's the whole point of the second and third film.

That said, T3 was dissapointing and I wish fanboy every luck improving it, it had some good ideas but it didn't really work, also keep in mind that some scenes are best left deleted, try it out and see how it works but don't put it in just because you can. (I haven't seen it so I don't really know)
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#114740
Topic
Final Scripts
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114740/action/topic#114740
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Here it is for anyone who cant be bothered to search:

Very intesesting how much George's original vision contradicts his new films, so much for that whole 'had it planned from the start idea' although I'm sure no-one really believes that anymore.

" BEN
Your insight serves you well. Bury your
feelings deep down, Luke. They do you credit.
But they could be made to serve the Emperor.

Luke looks into the distance, trying to comprehend all this.

BEN (continuing his narrative)
When your father left, he didn't know your
mother was pregnant. Your mother and I knew
he would find out eventually, but we wanted
to keep you both as safe as possible, for as
long as possible. So I took you to live with
my brother Owen on Tatooine... and your mother
took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator
Organa, on Alderaan.

Luke turns, and settles near Ben to hear the tale.

BEN (attempting to give solace with his words)
The Organa household was high-born and
politically quite powerful in that system.
Leia became a princess by virtue of
lineage... no one knew she'd been adopted, of
course. But it was a title without real
power, since Alderaan had long been a
democracy. Even so, the family continued to
be politically powerful, and Leia, following
in her foster father's path, became a senator
as well. That's not all she became, of
course... she became the leader of her cell
in the Alliance against the corrupt Empire.
And because she had diplomatic immunity, she
was a vital link for getting information to
the Rebel cause. That's what she was doing
when her path crossed yours... for her foster
parents had always told her to contact me on
Tatooine, if her troubles became desperate.

Luke is overwhelmed by the truth, and is suddenly protective of
his sister."