Mavimao

I'll just throw in my 2 cents here...

Every version has its pros and cons. We're lucky to have a choice depending on what we think is more important.

If you're looking for the most purist version of the theatrical star wars, you'd probably want to look at something based on the 2006 theatrical DVDs. Dark Jedi has done a great job cleaning up the image for his V3 so I would recommend that if you're looking for something more "pure". Unfortunately the laserdisc master used for this version suffers from heavy DVNR (a noise reduction process) that heavily smears the image.

If you're looking for a good looking, high definition image, I would suggest Harmy's de specialized versions. This is basically a "recreation" of the original version using the BluRays or HighDef broadcasts as the main source, and other various sources to fill in the Special Edition additions. While the image quality is light years ahead of the Laserdiscs and exhibits none of the DVNR smear, it's not the original, original version (most of the original SFX composites are not present, frame doubling or slow down is needed to fill in gaps of missing frames, etc)

My personal favorite is the Harmy version since I can't stand the DVNR smear anymore.

Oh wow, I never knew about that grammar mistake.... I guess I never bothered to look. How funny!

"qui pourrAnt sauver son peuple" ? Pourront m'enfin! Tu vas le réécrire 100 fois correctement!

Hehe, I kid, but apart from the grammar mistake, the font used for the lucas film title card isn't quite correct and is too static and feels like video and not film. The same for "La guerre des étoiles" that pulls back in the stars. The pulling back just feels too smooth and video-ish. Perhaps someone who is more knowledgeful of these things can chime in and give advice.

Cool project by the way. This deserves to be preserved, even though I personally can't stand the french dubbing! Dark Vador sounds like such a bland, old French guy!

Wow! What a difference! I remember watching the workprint and noticing that being one of the biggest problems I had with it, but I never said anything because you had mentioned that you could not do any better... I'm glad to see you took up the challenge, because it looks SO much better!

Just a thought but people might want to listen to Puggo's version for differences since that seems to be the most complete version of the mono track widely available, despite the crackling, warpy 16mm sound.

Harmy said:

Not really, just that here's the latest advancement in upscaling the GOUT (top) compared to the latest advancement of the "higher quality source material" CatBus was probably referring to - already cleaned up quite a bit (bottom):

<img src="http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/792/moseisleymp4snapshot.png" width="1280" height="1080" />

So I'm just saying that higher quality source for SW and ESB is still a problem at this point.

If one were looking for a high quality source, perhaps Laserdisk? Was the Mexican dub used for all of Latin America?

Chicken Boo said:

Wasn't that supposed to be the point of "the project we must not speak of"? So that anyone could do whatever modifications they wanted individually?

I never felt tempted to download the other reels because I wanted to wait for the finished product, but I saw your last link and I couldn't help the temptation and went ahead and downloaded it.

Wow. It's one thing to see it in pictures and it's another to see it in motion. Like others have said, the color timing is retro-tastic. You really feel like you're watching a film from the 70s. Great job on that front.

I just skimmed through it, and it's late here so I am going to hit the hay, but I'll give more detailed criticisms if I can find any.

Holy mother of God!

INv8r_ZIM said:

Doesn't seem like there's any reason to be dicks about it.  He didn't suggest totally redoing the shadow to be a better effect; he was just looking at transparency, and using the existing shape of the animation.  Given how shit the GOUT is and how low-resolution the available LD rip alternatives are, unless Harmy's got some reference he's posted showing that the shadow was always totally opaque it's not outside the realm of possibility that the shadow element was printed at partial transparency originally.  I mean, they knew how to do it a couple of years later, and a black blob is pretty easy to hide optical compositing lines in.  YEs, everyone knows what the goal of the project is.  Don't be such elitist douches.

Isn't a great year for OT.com??? Seems like yesterday we were creaming our pants over a Laserdisc conversion from an X0 player...and now we have allies getting prints, converting them, and handing them back to the fans.... Not to mention Mverta's huge dedication to preserve the original star wars for future generations.

Perhaps a cleaned up Puggo? But I think negative 1 might trump all sources in the coming months....

Ah, sorry to hear about the computer, but happy to hear you're keeping busy!

With Harmy's Despec 2 coming out soon, I was wondering how this project was advancing.

My dos centos: trust Harmy. He has access to very definitive material as to how the film originally looked in theatres. One can bitch and moan about what ONE think looks proper, but no one in this forum colortimed this film in 1977, so perhaps we should trust the sources and - hey - if you prefer another color pallette, NO ONE is stopping you from timing the film to your own tastes.

The purpose of this project has been to make the best representation of the 1977 theatrical release with the best possible sources available. That is exactly what Harmy is doing now.

All of this makes me look forward to Empire despecialized, when we will be at each others' throats over blue/white Hoth! (btw, does anyone know whether Hoth was white or blue in 1980?)

Ps: just got my first HD tele yesterday. Can't wait to check out one of my favorite films of all times in High Def!

You can play SECAM on a PAL vcr, but it'll just show up as black and white, since the color encoding is really the only difference between the two standards.

It was used in France, French colonies, The USSR and some Middle Eastern and Eastern European countries.

bilditup1 said:

Harmy said:

Oh, right, I see. I wonder if the JSC has the same kind of lens distortion that causes the GOUT to be very very difficult to overlay over the SE.

Sorry, but can you elaborate on this a bit?

SilverWook said:

It's pure concentrated evil! Don't eat it!

I live in France... I should try one and post a review on the forum.

Um, it's Voilà, which is French for "there you go" or "there he/she is" when you add le or la before the word.

Veselé Vánoce a štastný nový rok!

A "proper" anamorphic projection will pincushion. That's why you have curved screens in theatres.

Projectionist of 4 years. Even had to project an anamorphic 16mm print of They Live once. It was fun taping an anamorphic lens to the projector and spinning it around until the curves were just right. Focusing it was a pain in the a** though.

SilverWook said:

Funny how some of the OT deleted scenes on Blu Ray seem to have those same rounded edges to the frame.

Davros, there is one member who constructed a 35mm scanning setup with a flatbed scanner, some wood and patience.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Thorrs-35-mm-Star-Wars-Trilogy-SE-Trailer-WQHD-Restoration/post/547324/#TopicPost547324