Mavimao

Oh and I'll have to pull out the disc and watch it again, but I remember feeling the mattes of the scenes on the platform after the millenium falcon lands on bespin could be improved. I'll watch it tonight to be more precise.

But Empire was pretty good already. I guess it helps that it was the most untouched of the three films.

Looking forward to Empire 2.0!!

Great news! I think that the one major thing that could be improved are the colors and the crushed blacks. With PSB and the yet to be released Negative1 project, we have pretty good sources for the original theatrical colors.

But it's the detail in the blacks that I hope you can bring back. In SW 2.0 I was amazed by the difference in the Jawa vehicle.

lpd said:

^ Yeah. I use a full hd projector which can display 24fps natively, which it does when playing an official Blu ray, but if I encode an AVCHD at 23.976 the player converts it to 60hz. Im now wondering if it could be the software I use "multiavchd" which I use to add simple menus or alter the size and or uncropmkv and tsmuxer which I use to do a straight remux. I'm now thinking of getting myself a different player as it looks like Panny ones are the most picky when using avchd's.

lpd said:

stretch009 said:

 

@ lpd

 

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Specifications"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Specifications" target="_blank" title="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Specifications">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Specifications</a>

 

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Thanks for the links Stretch. Had a look doesn't look like it should have a problem playing 23.976 of which it does play but as I say converts to 60hz but i have noticed on the sites for audio they all say ac3 or pcm, I have lots of discs with dts sound and the player happily plays them. I think the 60hz problem might be the players fault but cant cant find much info on the subject on the web.

The plot thickens... Are there the other changes as well?

Puggo, PM sent

And while you're at it, can you up the cowbell? I notice microscopic changes in musical timbre and I know there was cowbell in the opening sequence.

K? Thanks.

SpilkaBilka said:

Just out of curiosity- with regard to LD captures, just how close did the "bootleggers" get to the quality of the 2006 bonus discs?

Great gallery. If you guys want to see just how terrible the new rock CGI in the blurays is, go to snapshot_05.47 and snapshot_05.49 and toggle quickly between them...

Making lesson plans and I put 2.0 with the isolated track on in the background as I work...

Wow, taking out the other sounds in the film, you really discover how great this score is and how well it meshes with the movie.

Lovin it!

I hope Simon Pegg has the 2.0 version... I am smiling at all of the comments of people wanting this badly.

msycamore said:

none said:

Catnap and Puggo Grande (until proven otherwise) appear to be the same, a 16mm capture.  [and there's also the theory that they are the same print, captured years apart]

I see, didn't know that. At least now there seems to be a connection between the composite and credit variation. The only question mark now is why the cloudy composite reappeared on the NTSC video master.

It seems pretty logic that they took the opportunity to revise this composite at the same time they revised the credits as it is located on the same last reel. Maybe a possibility of more subtle fixes in the Death Star battle as well.

Ok, yeah a lot more sense. What are the differences between the credit rolls?

Just throwing this out there, but I wouldn't put it past George Lucas to have made a quick last minute change to his film shortly after its premiere. He might have thought that the composite was flawed in that one shot, and managed to squeeze out a bit more money from the budget to fix that one shot (other bothersome shots like Mos Eisley would have been too expensive to fix). So in the end we have two different IPs running around: "Premiere 77" and "Post-Premiere 77". That might explain why the IB has the cloudless version.

EDIT: just saw your post about the credits. Again, George just couldn't keep his hands off of it and kept trying to make it better. There were even 3 different sound mixes for it! It seems very likely that he would go back and change a few things to the picture as well.

Being this is just a camera recording off of a screen, this still looks fantastic! You guys have definitely been busy!

Ah, point taken. But I do have to say, a good compression makes a crapload of difference.

If the details are so great, I really think it has to do with the fact that it's mostly sourced from the Bluray rather than an HD TV recording. Watch the hut scene with Ben and Luke and Luke's face in shots become a pixelated dark blur.

captainsolo said:

-What exactly causes the highs to warble and distort so badly on the optical tracks? This was thankfully very very minimal in PSB, but of course all over the place on PG.


 

Hmm... C3PO only says "Hello?" once when he thinks he hears an R2 unit AND the troop's voice is different....

Holy crap!

Hmm, I think you might be onto something interesting here Trooperman.

However, Luke says "You're lucky you don't taste very good" on the mono folddown instead of "You were lucky to get out of there" apparently on the 70mm mix.

I am perhaps mistaken.

I think that shooting in film is much more advantageous than digital - if you have the means of course. In terms of image quality and archiving, nothing that exists in the digital domain at the moment can best it.

However, digital distribution is winning me over more and more. I love being able to go to the movie theatre and watch old movies that look like brand new and not some 4th generation beat up, faded 16mm dupe.

I've seen Grease and Lawrence of Arabia recently on the big screen in digital and I was amazed by the quality. Had I tried to get Grease back in my college film club days, I would have received the reddest, crappiest print the distributors decided to give us.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Mavimao said:

 
I noticed that the mono sound kinda clips at times. Sounds like someone years ago did a poor job mastering the audio for 16mm optical (which has a piss poor dynamic range of about 20 dB)

 

I have two ways of capturing 16mm optical mono... using my Elmo 16CL or using my Eiki slimline.  When capturing I set the output and input levels so that *I* am not clipping anything.  However, there could be clipping in a myriad other steps I have no control over; the mechanism in home 16mm projectors for reproducing the sound is pretty crude.  I also have to imagine that the process for printing the sound is also limited in accuracy by the film grain.  They probably compress it sufficiently to produce good saturation and volume.

Now, you may have noticed that the level in mine never goes above about 75% of the available headroom.  That's not because I clipped it there... I actually lowered the levels to that so that it wouldn't blast your speakers when switching from stereo to mono.

SilverWook said:

Mavimao said:

 

bilditup1 said:

Mavimao said:

The christmas special was shot on 70's era studio video cameras. (think soap operas). It's on magnetic tape not film.

 

Hmm, what kind of magnetic tape?

Perhaps 3/4 inch according to this site

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3/4 inch or "U-matic" as Sony called it, was barely broadcast standard. (Sony initially tried marketing it as a home video format a few years before they tried Betamax!) I used it in high school and college. It was popular because it was affordable for small tv stations and other budget minded institutions.

CBS and Fox could afford more expensive formats.

bilditup1 said:

Mavimao said:

The christmas special was shot on 70's era studio video cameras. (think soap operas). It's on magnetic tape not film.

 

Hmm, what kind of magnetic tape?

Asaki said:

Mavimao said:
The christmas special was shot on 70's era studio video cameras. (think soap operas). It's on magnetic tape not film.

 

 I know, it was a joke =|