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#595869
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Puggo Strikes Back! (Released)
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Here's a visual example of what I'm talking about. Here's an image from Puggo's site showing a frame of a DV capture with 480 pixels of horizontal resolution:

[img]http://s12.postimage.org/iks9qqn3d/DV_Before.jpg[/img]

The great thing about this image is the fact that it's an anamorphically squeezed image. There's much more resolution available than say a letterboxed 4x3 (ie the GOUT). So, here's the same image but stretched out to 1280 by 480 (1280 being the horizontal resolution in 720p)

[img]http://s18.postimage.org/k91uq9cut/720_HDafter.jpg[/img]

NOTE: this was just a quickly done example to show how stretching out the initial capture would work. Please note, the 720p example does not reflect the correct aspect ratio.

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#595856
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Puggo Strikes Back! (Released)
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captainsolo said:



djchaseb said:

Getting my pregame on with Puggo Grande


DITTO!! The anticipation is killing me. Seriously.


Mavimao said:

Puggo, I know you were thinking of making HD versions of your captures - are you still considering this? I think these projects would benefit from a more modern codec seeing as the grain and dirt play havoc with mpeg2. Also, because the initial image is in scope, there should be adequate vertical resolution for a good uprezzed HD image, seeing as a scope 2.35 film is 817 pixels tall in 1080p - 544 pixels in 720p.


IIRC puggo said that this would require a new workprinter.


If you wanted to make a native HD version, yes, but this was done at 720 x 480 DV. The image on the film frame was an anamorphic 2.35 image (actually wider, but I can't recall the AR on this specific print). So the 480 vertical resolution would work great on a 720p upscaled version in which 2.35 is 544 pixels tall. It would only need a slight upconvert and then stretched out. Plus the benefit of having a H.264 encode would be wonderful as well.

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#595808
Topic
Puggo Strikes Back! (Released)
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Puggo, I know you were thinking of making HD versions of your captures - are you still considering this? I think these projects would benefit from a more modern codec seeing as the grain and dirt play havoc with mpeg2. Also, because the initial image is in scope, there should be adequate vertical resolution for a good uprezzed HD image, seeing as a scope 2.35 film is 817 pixels tall in 1080p - 544 pixels in 720p.

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#595642
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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What I don't understand is why those wanting an MKV are begging Harmy to do it. If we have an SD dvd5 version of these projects, it's because someone else took an initiative and did it himself (chewtobbaca). If you guys really really want an MKV, build one yourselves from the bluray files and offer it to the community. I am pretty positive Harmy would not have the slightest problem with that as long as due credit to harmy is given.

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#595003
Topic
Info: Definitive Collection - Capture List
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Moth3r said:


^ The Laserdisc format does indeed use composite video.

So, I would estimate that around 20% of the above post is accurate.


Ah, then I must be mistaken that subjecting a 1 channel video signal (composite) through a notch filter, or comb filter or 2d or 3d adaptive filter in order to seperate the Y/C signal blended together in NO WAY whatsoever alters the signal.

http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee392j/Winter2002/projects/zimet_report.pdf

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#594807
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Info: Definitive Collection - Capture List
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AntcuFaalb said:



Moth3r said:

It's moderate dot crawl made worse by over-sharpening. ;-)


Does your LD player have an s-video out?


The problem is that the video encoded on LDs (and VHS for that matter) are composite video, so when you use the s-video on an LD player or a VCR, your subjecting the signal to more processing to split the chroma and luminance signal and then have the TV or capture card recombine the two.

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#594644
Topic
Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Oldfan said:


I was just looking at the comparison shots posted between v1 and v2. Many of the shots actually look like the black levels are totally crushed - like take a look at the shots of the Millennium Falcon docked on the Death Star (shots 72 & 73, 80 & 81) - tons of detail is just gone, lost in shadow, and in shots 80 & 81 the door on the left in the background is almost impossible to see. And in the shot of Obi-Wan early on (shots 22 and 23), the v1 looks nice but v2 is totally blown out, with all detail in the background completely lost in a sea of white, and the colors look terrible compared to v1.

 

Is this just unavoidable due to the different sources used for v2? I don't mean this to sound like a criticism, I'm just curious why such a difference in quality- to my eyes many of the v1 shots have more background visible, even though the v2 are clearly sharper. In those shots, is this just how it looked originally, and we're just used to seeing tweaked versions over the years, or are those shots just due to limited available sources? It seems in the shots I mentioned above, v1 looks far better overall.

 

 
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*Fourth, verse, same as the first!*

Harmy painstakingly did a shot for shot retiming of the whole film to match the color of a non-fade 1977 technicolor print.

Basically, if the film looks "weird" or "different" to what you're used to, it's not because Harmy overlooked it...it's because that's the way it was on the print. The goal behind this project was to make this as faithful as possible to the film as it was released in 1977.

Now, perhaps we can criticize the film timer back in 1977 for making crappy decisions, but not Harmy.

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#594640
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Oldfan said:



delusions_of_grandeur said:


Oldfan said:

But then we're getting a lesser quality mkv by creating an mkv from the AVCHD unlike this where the mkv is higher quality. Why the hate for mkv? It's the perfect format for viewing on media players. Myself I want to watch this on my HDTV and the mkv can easily play on either my media players or my blu-ray player which supports mkv or even my tv itself which also plays mkv.
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Then create it from the Blu-Ray instead of the AVCHD.... 


Right, except then we have to download a full blu-ray and do the conversion, where for this I just had to download the MKV, which has excellent quality yet I don't have to download the huge blu-ray. The mkv is the perfect compromise between quality and file size - much smaller than the blu-ray yet very close in quality. The whole point is many will not want to download a full blu-ray when the mkv would do fine. I don't even have a blu-ray burner so I'd have to download the blu-ray just to convert it and then delete it.

 

 

 

 
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OK, I understand why you would really like an MKV, but I don't understand why you feel others should do the work for you.

Some people haven't upgraded to HD yet and want an SD version of Harmy's project, so what happened? Chewtobacca stepped in and created high quality, no-frills DVD5s for the community. If you think an MKV would be beneficial to people, you should create it and make it available.

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#593948
Topic
Star Wars Colortiming &amp; Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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Yes, this technology exists, (it's known simply as DTS) but you have to have the DTS time code printed on the side of the film AND the CD in the sound system has to be conformed to this time code as well.

As far as I know, there are no DTS prints or CDs for the original Star Wars.

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_(sound_system)#History

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#593932
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Star Wars Colortiming &amp; Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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I can tell you from personal experience that this is very difficult to achieve. The speed of a film projector isn't a solid 24 fps and you'll end up going out of sync even if you manage to hit the play button on the secondary source fast enough.

PS I am assuming that you are thinking of running the film print through a projector and the sound through a cd player or mp3 player... This is what I had to do when the answer print for a film festival I was projecting had sound that was way out of sync, and we had to burn the sound files to a cd, and sit next to a stereo with our finger on the pause button, waiting for the smpte countdown to hit 2. We would sometimes be off by a few milliseconds and that would mess the whole sync and no way to turn off the projector and rewind.

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#593651
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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pat man said:



bilditup1 said:


pat man said:

This is a non-faded Technicolor 35mm pint.From 1977,there was not many made for a home release.

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...That's an IB Tech print, not 35mm. The one Harmy timed it to is in better condition and doesn't have the vagaries of how the digital camera processed the image or whether the Senator used the right bulb


 sorry I didn't know :(



No, you were right, the IB technicolor star wars prints were regular 35 mm sized prints.

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#593650
Topic
Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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bilditup1 said:



pat man said:

This is a non-faded Technicolor 35mm pint.From 1977,there was not many made for a home release. 

  This is how Harmy made his V2.0.Just his is a shad brighter.I would say lower the brightness by 2% or lower the gamma just a hair,but this is Harmy and others edited's,so it's their opinion.      


...That's an IB Tech print, not 35mm. The one Harmy timed it to is in better condition and doesn't have the vagaries of how the digital camera processed the image or whether the Senator used the right bulb


Uhh... It is a 35mm print. The "IB tech" part refers only to the chemical process used to create an image on the 35mm acetone base.