Mavimao

What the hell are you trying to say? You're just spewing utter nonsense. 

First the drumroll at the beginning and a 5 second long segment somewhere that Puggo spliced in but I don't where, are the only spots where the stereo source was used to fill in missing material. The rest is the raw mono track. 

The stereo gout mix was only used as a sync guide, and then faded out in the project timeline before export. 

Second, if you want the 8mm track to do your own GOUT sync, go ahead, but I've listened to it and it's not worth the trouble. You'll literally just be splicing in a laser blast or a couple lines of dialogue here and there. 

And third, if someone wanted to even attempt this, there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't use the mono mix. None at all. Just because we had to use 6 seconds from the stereo source doesn't make the other 2 hours of the mix less relevant. 

Doombot - hate to be that guy but on your first post I'm sure you wanted to write "accepting" not "excepting"

Video Collector said:

Mavimao said:

Video Collector said:

coltonlolz said:

Video Collector said:

Just finished DL-ing V2, and I am very impressed with the quality.

As I was watching, it hit me that this version could be interesting with a few tweaks. First off, a conversion to 23.97 fps would take out the "video" look (Like they did with the Zion Hybrid).

I have tried it before, and it loses fields in the video, thus I kept it at 29.97fps.

Obviously going from 30 to 24 frames means something has to be discarded. It's what gives film its look, the jerkiness of motion.

Again, this is not something I am terribly knowledgable about, but going from interlaced to progressive 30 fps before doing the conversion would be the natural first step, no? Meaning you drop frames, not fields, which is what I am after.

What is the "proper" procedure for downsampling from 30i to 24p fps?

It's a bit obvious you're not terrible knowledgeable about these things. It seems you're confused about IVTC - reverse telecine - and how it is used. 

Film is 24 fps. American video is 30 fps (or 60 fields a second). In order to show a movie filmed on a TV back in the old days, it had to go through a telecine process, converting 24 frames into 60 odd and even fields. Now you can reverse that process and get the original progressive 24 frames from a telecined video master - which is necessary for a lot of laserdisc projects that originated on film and were telecined to video. 

The Holiday Special was filmed at 30 fps interlaced video (what news shows and sports games are filmed on) - NOT 24 fps film. There was no telecine process involved and any conversion from 30 to 24 would be idiotic. What you're asking is akin to converting Star Wars to 18fps because it gives it that silent era look. 

Yes, I know all that, I am familiar with frame rates and the NTSC nature of the original shooting of the Holiday Special, thank you. 

Nevertheless, idiotic as it may be to you, people are converting video-based projects to a 24 fps cadence to achieve a more filmic look. I believe it is a common enough feature in off-the-shelf editing software, though I'm not familiar with how it's achieved. If you have access to the Zion Hybrid version of the Holiday Special, you'll see that they've done it for that version and I find it very pleasing to the eye.

You don't believe the idea has merit, fine. I am not advocating this as an improvement on, nor replacement for the version that we have on hand. I was just thinking that with a superior source like the WHIO recording, the results could be interesting. Please accept my humblest apologies for even suggesting it.

I do have the Zion Hybrid version and I just played it in VLC and it's 30 fps.

I don't know where you got the idea it was converted to 23.98 fps... There was a lot of processing done to the image, but changing the framerate wasn't one of them. 

Video Collector said:

coltonlolz said:

Video Collector said:

Just finished DL-ing V2, and I am very impressed with the quality.

As I was watching, it hit me that this version could be interesting with a few tweaks. First off, a conversion to 23.97 fps would take out the "video" look (Like they did with the Zion Hybrid).

I have tried it before, and it loses fields in the video, thus I kept it at 29.97fps.

Obviously going from 30 to 24 frames means something has to be discarded. It's what gives film its look, the jerkiness of motion.

Again, this is not something I am terribly knowledgable about, but going from interlaced to progressive 30 fps before doing the conversion would be the natural first step, no? Meaning you drop frames, not fields, which is what I am after.

What is the "proper" procedure for downsampling from 30i to 24p fps?

It's a bit obvious you're not terrible knowledgeable about these things. It seems you're confused about IVTC - reverse telecine - and how it is used. 

Film is 24 fps. American video is 30 fps (or 60 fields a second). In order to show a movie filmed on a TV back in the old days, it had to go through a telecine process, converting 24 frames into 60 odd and even fields. Now you can reverse that process and get the original progressive 24 frames from a telecined video master - which is necessary for a lot of laserdisc projects that originated on film and were telecined to video. 

The Holiday Special was filmed at 30 fps interlaced video (what news shows and sports games are filmed on) - NOT 24 fps film. There was no telecine process involved and any conversion from 30 to 24 would be idiotic. What you're asking is akin to converting Star Wars to 18fps because it gives it that silent era look. 

Is anyone else having problems downloading this? The torrent stops downloading at around 2.4 gigs and refuses to download or upload anymore. 

EDIT: just looked at Myspleen, zero seeders. Eh??

No, go right ahead!

Harmy, you should have that explanation on the first post - it's the only way to be sure...

Look at the dates of my post and the first one in which the discussion of the youtube video begins in the other thread. 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/SWHS-WHIO-1st-Gen-VHS-Preservation/post/666258/#TopicPost666258

These clips are looking really good! Thank you for sharing as much as you are. 

Is the flickering inherent to the print? 

If so, is there anything that can be done in post to minimize it?

Harmy could have called it lasersword for all I care. 

From what I've heard, Amazon charges publishers "delivery costs" and the larger the file is, the larger cut Amazon takes. Apple doesn't do this.

This is most likely the reason why the iBooks version has the highest quality. 

Found this article: http://www.tuaw.com/2012/06/13/ibook-lessons-publishing-costs/

Ah! Don't worry, I'm terrible at getting them. :P

I speak French; the problem here is that Google translate is confusing "A l'aide de" with "A l'aide!" ("With the help of" vs "Help!")

I curse Google translate, that's all. I'm an English teacher in France and I have to deal with this crap pretty regularly. 

Tack said:

Mavimao said:

But what the hell this tower of Babel in which we find ourselves! Using Obi Wan, you're our only hope!

FIXED!!

"Using Obi Wan"?? Damn you Google translate!

(it's supposed to be "Help us Obi Wan")

Mais quel bordel cette tour de babel dans laquelle on se trouve! A l'aide Obi Wan, vous êtes notre seul espoir!

Mitch said:

I clearly remember my dad saying OOPS!..... I am not just filling in things that didn't exist.  I remember that night clearly! 

And I saw it at the drive in at 100 TWIN, was that a 70 mm release?

 

hmmmm

I'm with Poita on this on. You remember it well, no one's arguing with that... But memories are very faulty and prone to corruption. We have bootlegs and prints and sound recordings, but NOTHING has even remotely turned up to suggest that the grappling hook missing scene exist. One just has to listen to the music recorded: 

http://youtu.be/W6vKhR8XuP4?t=3m10s

Where in the world does the music exist for Luke to throw his rope again and again?

Moth3r said:

Mavimao said:

Buy the dvd. 

The web exclusive link from the DVD no longer works.

Ah gotcha! Thanks. 

Editdroid belongs to Avid now. 

This is great looking! Keep up the great work and thanks for the samples!

Buy the dvd. 

So if anyone is interested in seeing the difference between the 1977 and the 1981 re-issue, I created a "picture in picture" comparison using Harmy's despecialized and the ISOmix LD capture. You'll see it's not a simple matter of inserting EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE into the picture. The speed at which the text scrolls is different and the timing at which Tattooine is revealed is delayed. 

There are also differences in starfields, but alas, it's impossible to notice in my example. In any case, here's the download:

https://mega.co.nz/#!uQ4zwKpa!Pu9SdzmNw-bZaUWN0OeDPTba6y9BP_gShQc9FM2X-Fw

Zer0Squared said:

I have all 3 "Making of" enhanced e-books and am able to play all of the media files and view all of the images on my PC.  Not sure if this is what you're wanting or the same as what you have.  Extracted, you just have to click on the html file and it loads everything for you.

For example: 
The Making of Stars Wars
Images: 1,438 jpegs = 97 MB
Media: 44 mp4 & mp3 items = 148 MB

Sounds like you have the Amazon Kindle version. We're talking about the Apple iBookstore version whose files are in HD (unlike the kindle version) but seem to be encrypted. 

What was wrong with the starfields in the original source? Capture?

I need a change of underwear.