I saw the Dark Knight in NYC on IMAX and even though I think the movie is overrated, the actual experience was something I'll never forget. The IMAX footage was so beautifully detailed and crisp and sharp. My jaw dropped.
Tasjo said:
All cleanup work that can be done has been finished in virtualdub and now I'm starting to sync the French and Spanish audio tracks. But, this is where I am running into a slight problem. The Spanish track is only missing a few seconds that can be patched but the French track is missing entire segments due to the edited nature of the original broadcast. Should I patch the missing parts with the English audio or should I leave the audio track empty in those parts?
Wow, you work fast!
Difficult call. I would say just put in the English track. Better that than nothing. Perhaps someone motivated enough will do a French edit using your file and splicing out the English language parts.
coltonlolz said:
You_Too, I also checked with Google Translate, and it said "The Empire Strikes Back" when I put in Det Imperiet Slår Tillbaka in. You are the silly one in that paragraph, :)
This is so full of fail, my head is is about to explode.
(insert Scanners gif here)
Looks great!
Matt_Stevens said:
DVD mono cannot possibly compare to PCM from a laserdisc. The difference is astounding.
Well to be nitpicky, the DVD standard does allow fo PCM audio... But I can't think of any DVDs that actually used it.
That is correct. Redbook, full CD-quality sound as opposed to a compressed file on the DVD.
Gogogadget said:
CatBus said:
Gogogadget said:
i've never liked the incorrect cue and it's totally lazy of Lucasfilm to never go back and fix this.I both love it and hate it. I treat it kinda like the stormtrooper headbonk. Every time I see it, I think [in director voice]: "Early! Tatooine, listen for your cue! Now go back into the starfield and wait for it this time!"
Doesn't the incorrect musical cue issue also pop up in ESB & ROTJ?
I don't see why it would, the opening crawls were not changed.
Guys, guys, guys... the best way to explain anything is to just show it. Here's something I put together quickly using Harmy's Despecialized 1.0 (yeah, yeah, I know, but I had to make room on my harddrive and I'm waiting for the Bluray) and the ISOmix set. So here, picture in picture are the 77 and 81 crawls.
https://mega.co.nz/#!uQ4zwKpa!Pu9SdzmNw-bZaUWN0OeDPTba6y9BP_gShQc9FM2X-Fw
And the THX demo at the beginning!
Ah, they recreated it then?
AntcuFaalb said:
Darth Lucas said:
poita said:
No, the faces set is the same as the definitive edition discs. Nothing to do with the scans for the SE.
And Darth Lucas, the faces set, and all laserdiscs as far as I know have the Ep IV ANH crawl, not the 1976/1977 crawl.
That's what I said. The 2006 DVD was suggested, and I was saying that I think that version just said Star Wars, and that I was looking for the crawl to say A New Hope. Most people use the theatrical crawl in their preservations.
Unfortunately, our community has yet to produce an HQ version of the 1981 crawl.
Uh... The bluray?
deepanddark20 said:
Harmy, you are amazing. I know I've thanked you before, but it can never be said enough.
I have one little issue with Star Wars Despecialized Edition v2.5. The scene when Luke goes outside to stare at the twin sunset on Tatooine looks like it's too bright in my opinion. I've compared it with several other copies I have of the pre-special edition movie, and yours sticks out as being lighter, almost like it's earlier in the day than the other copies I've seen.
What copies of the pre special edition do you have? Harmy is basing his color decisions on un faded film print from the 70s. If you are talking about vhs and LD copies, make no mistake, those are NOT the original colors.
As far as Empire is concerned, the only real problem I have is the new Throne Room discussion added for the DVD and the Vader returning to the star destroyer montage that messes up the Bring me my shuttle line and the pacing of the Bespin escape.
People seem more split on the Wampa scene. I personally prefer how it was in 80, but I have friends who like it now.
edskizzorhands said:
To my knowledge Jedi was never edited on the Editdroid. This laserdisc and probably others were made to demo the editdroid at conventions and demonstrations.
This disc could have been stolen from a convention or possibly even ended up with Avid after the systems were sold in 1993.
This is correct. I just read a book on the history of editing technology called Timeline and in it was of course the history of the Editdroid. The Jedi footage was only used as a demo. The movie was entirely edited on a flatbed editor.
The funny thing is, reading about the Editdroid, Lucas talked up technology so feverously and poured so much money into the development of this incredible machine... Only to barely use it himself and sell it off to Avid in 1994.
Yuuuuummy!!!
I think it sounds great! Just a couple of questions:
Are you planning on using the stereo soundtrack found on the print?
What is your goal on getting this completed?
BuddhaMaster said:
Hey there Harmy.
I've already enjoyed your remastered 2.1 release, partly despecialized ROTJ and ESB. Few days ago I've watched the first half of your phenomenal 2.5 release. The bit around the cantina scene is always a good breaking point ;)
I've got a few questions you might just answer personally.
1. What exactly is the Mos Eisley scene you've used from the team negative1 35mm LPP print? Is it the the part in the city where Obi Wan goes like "you don't need to see his identification" etc.
or the Cantina scene and later?
2. Please give a short explanation of the three first audio mixes. What exactly does each one mean?
Are the stere and mono mix just a "mix-down" of the same 6-track source. Or are those different sources, recreations which contain the famous missing lines/alternate takes?
Where do they source from and/or who was responsible.
Thanks anyway.
And then there's that interesting read I've just got from the team negative1's restoration thread http://www.wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html
To answer the audio question: the film in 77 came out in 3 different formats: the new, untested Dolby stereo, the high quality 70mm 4.2 baby boom mix and the low-quality but standards compliant academy mono. The stereo mix was digitally ripped from an LD, the mono mix was taken from VHS broadcast recordings from Europe and restored by Belbacus - an old member - and the 70mm mix, which has never been released, was 'recreated' by member Hairy Hen by using the 93 home video mix which itself was based on the 70mm mix, abeit with added sound effects.
In terms of content, the 70mm and the dolby stero are very similar, but the mono is an entirely different mix.
johnlocke2342 said:
Papa Vader said:
Sorry if this has been already answered, but i could'nt find this...
Has anyone have a link the the french dub track for this one? I am really tired that my kid has to see Lucas butchered version.
Thanks for the help!
Well you're supposed to own the GOUT to download this, the problem being if you're a French speaker from Europe like me, you can't just extract the audio from the EU GOUT because it would be PAL, and Harmy's DeEd are SECAM. If you're from Quèbecois, then you can just grab it from your ROTJ GOUT disc.
SECAM? What is this, the VHS era?
ROTJ Despecialized is based on the frame count of the PAL disc but run at NTSC film speed (from 25 to 23.9 fps). You'll need to take your EU disc, rip it and change the speed appropriately.
The québécois version is NTSC and does not completely match up with the PAL version frame for frame.
Although, seeing as it's a dub, the slight differences might not be that noticeable.
I think it's from this if I'm not mistaken:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/SWHS-WHIO-1st-Gen-VHS-Preservation/topic/15917/
YanniD said:
Harmy said:
I do believe they could do better than this, seeing as how I'm using old LD masters for many shots and the whole thing is still a bit of a patch-work.
Would a 4K transfer of a Technicolor print be the definitive original version?
Is George Lucas the only obstacle to accomplishing this?
Realize that a Technicolor print is several generations removed from the negative. Also realize that there are several steps between the original negative and a release print. After the negative is cut, you make an Interpositive or IP and then you make an Internegative or IN. It is from the IN that you make release prints. Then there's another step called separation masters, in which the original negative is printed on three different strips of B&W film that represent the RBG spectrum of the original color negative (b&w film is much more stable than color film).
Each of these elements exist in various forms, and a decent restoration could be achieved of the original version without having to go scanning a release print.
Hey, so my internet is gone and the cable company is slow to getting it back on (but I am somehow much more productive...). So I realized that I do not have the FLAC of the fixed audio. But I can say that it was definitely Catbus who made it, so perhaps sending him a PM might do the job!
AntcuFaalb said:
Mavimao said:
Really excited about this project and glad to see that there is a high-tech capture happening. I have a DVD 5 version that was made by an old member here years ago, but it could definitely be better.
Anctufaalb, when do you plan on doing the capture and combining?
Ha! :-) I wouldn't call it "high-tech". "Well-planned" might be a better description.
Was the old member Rikter Blaksvn?
I plan on doing the capturing in ~1 month. I'm still waiting to receive some cables and I need to setup my equipment in another room in our house (so our forthcoming baby can get the current computer room).
Well it seems more high tech than hooking up an LD player to a DVD recorder.
and yes! That was the name Blacksvn!
I'm 99 percent sure I have it as a Flac file somewhere. I can put it up somewhere if people want to download it.
Really excited about this project and glad to see that there is a high-tech capture happening. I have a DVD 5 version that was made by an old member here years ago, but it could definitely be better.
Anctufaalb, when do you plan on doing the capture and combining?
It's a known issue that stems from the fact that most GOUT-based projects use the PAL version of ROTJ because it is a native PAL master unlike the other two films which are converted from NTSC. But these projects use the NTSC sound files to avoid additional processing on the sound. Because it's a different master, the frames aren't exactly accurate and in this case there is an extra frame or so when the fleet reassembles to discuss their attack on the Death Star 2 and there is a frame missing later on.... So in between these two points, the sound is out of sync.
I think it was catbus who made a corrected version and I have this muxed with my personal file.