Mavimao

Just saw that. Pull through Carrie Fisher!

Just so people know, Star Wars was shot on anamorphic so there are no mattes to open. These shots are artificially opened up.

How exactly did you achieve this?

Bobo Jameson said:

Alderaan said:

When did Lord Haseo jump the shark? I mean his views on the movies were always bad, but I remember him at least being pleasant about it. Now every post is **** this and you’re an ass that. Try being more civil and don’t take it so personal when people have different taste than you.

Edit: well, I guess the post about wanting to see Vader kill Jedi shines a light on things. The dark side is strong in this one.

The reason that Lord Haseo called malastrana an ass is because malastrana keeps talking out of his ass! Why is it that people that rates Rogue One a 0 out of 10 is pampered on this lousy ass forum?!

It’s not called being pampered, it’s called being civil. We are allowed to agree/disagree, preferably explaining why we feel what we feel.

Being uncivil is resorting to childish acts like namecalling. We refrain from that here.

MalàStrana said:

Mavimao said:
I forget who said it, but if ANH was released today, it would be crucified by today’s culture.

Why ?

Were The Matrix, Avatar or Lord of the rings crucified by today’s culture ?

(and basically today’s culture has been partially defined by Star Wars so I don’t get your point)

(I don’t even understand the relevance here…)

You’re just repeating dumb statement which don’t mean anything trying to appear cool (you’ve failed by the way) or you really believe that ?

I know a lot of people who aren’t really Star Wars fans try to watch the first film and find it really boring and tacky. I don’t necessarily agree but there you go.

PS: I’ve got a PHD in Cowabunga. U can’t touch this.

MalàStrana said:

• “Star Wars fans only want one thing: Vader”
• “I will not condone a course of pointless fan films that will lead us to more nostalgia madness !”

This just goes to show how diverse the Star Wars fandom is and how impossible it is to satisfy everybody.

I forget who said it, but if ANH was released today, it would be crucified by today’s culture.

Bobo Jameson said:

Mavimao said:

Alderaan said:

Oh don’t mind me Mavimao, I’m only here for a day or two venting my frustration at watching another Star Wars film that disappointed me. I don’t begrudge anyone else a different opinion. Pretty soon I will go back to occasionally popping in only to check up on restorations of the OOT.

I guess I don’t understand what you expected. For years this was built up as “how the rebels stole the death star plans” and you complain that it’s a film about…people stealing plans to the death star.

I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s perfectly watchable.

I’m sure there were people disappointed when they went to see Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samourai. “Hey I thought there was going to be some major ass kicking, but it’s just shots of a guy driving at night and mending his garden!”

Alderaan is a dick and it got what it deserved a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. 😉

That was uncalled for.

I’m keeping you and your family in my thoughts. I really hope your daughter feels better soon.

Alderaan said:

Oh don’t mind me Mavimao, I’m only here for a day or two venting my frustration at watching another Star Wars film that disappointed me. I don’t begrudge anyone else a different opinion. Pretty soon I will go back to occasionally popping in only to check up on restorations of the OOT.

I guess I don’t understand what you expected. For years this was built up as “how the rebels stole the death star plans” and you complain that it’s a film about…people stealing plans to the death star.

I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s perfectly watchable.

I’m sure there were people disappointed when they went to see Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samourai. “Hey I thought there was going to be some major ass kicking, but it’s just shots of a guy driving at night and mending his garden!”

A very interesting article, but doesn’t explain the shots we got in the trailer.

I would really love to see how this film evolved.

Alderaan said:

Mithrandir said:

I can’t help disagreeing strongly. There are tons of great movies and stories where you know what is going to happen. Surprise is not an artistic value per se.

What you are talking about is called dramatic irony. It occurs when there is so much meaning and revelation in the story, that you can enjoy and take pleasure in watching it over and over again throughout the years even though you already know what will happen in the plot. Each time you entertain yourself with the story, a new layer, a new depth to one of the characters may reveal itself that you didn’t see before. This is the phenomenon that takes place when literature teachers all over the world teach classics to their students year after year, and some 20 years later they are still finding some new gem that they didn’t notice before. It’s the same phenomenon that happens when I watch Empire Strikes Back for the 1,000th time or see King Lear for the 10th time. This phenomenon only happens through the most well-written of stories, and it only happens when a very good writer, in command of his or her craft, is writing those pages.

It is a very different phenomenon from the one you were alluding to: the random plot-twist! Where the audience’s pleasure is only gratified through suspense. When the pleasure in the motion picture is only derived from answering the question “what happens next?”…it stands to reason that a viewer will enjoy the film much less each time they watch it, rather than continue to enjoy it more and more, as in the previous example of dramatic irony.

The WTF just happened plot-twist is only well executed if it is meaningful, as Vader’s reveal was, insomuch as that new revelation causes the viewer to go back and reassess the meaning of every previous scene and every previous action in a way they had not previously considered.

Is every story or motion picture going to be that complex? No. But if it’s not, then it needs to exhibit some other cadre of strong filmmaking traits if it is to stand the test of time. What other aspects of Rogue One or The Force Awakens cause them to rise to memorable status? Do they possess visuals along the lines of a Kurosawa film? Are they edited as masterfully as the trench run sequence in ANH? There are other ways in which a film can stand the test of time.

But some ways it will not stand the test of time include vfx, which will date sooner rather than later, and nostalgia porn, which will be lost on people within a few years. Making a movie filled with fanservice might please you now in your short sighted and I would argue misguided desire to live in the past (as that review alluded to), but it will not reflect well on these films and will one day not reflect well on your own memories either.

Just one man’s opinion.

Alderaan, I respect your opinion… but I do feel as though you’re spending way too much energy deconstructing this film. You talk like a freshly educated film major, full of sound and fury, and as a film major myself who spent a trimester writing a paper on Andrzej Wajda’s War Trilogy and another just on Hitchcock’s Vertigo, you just need to realize that this is just mass marketed entertainment and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I equally love Jan Svankmajer and Rogue One/The Force Awakens. I certainly don’t expect the same thing from them and enjoy them on their own terms.

I certainly wasn’t expecting a character piece on a young woman looking for her father, abducted by a totalitarian regime. I was expecting lasers, robots and explosions.

I find it kinda silly that people need to justify the differences in fighting between this and Episode 4. For me it just boils down to the fact that it was made nearly 40 years ago and the props were mechanically spinning devices that were very fragile and had to point towards the camera at the correct angle (George attempted to do the lightsaber effect in camera). Just look at Empire: the lightsaber fight is much more exciting since they were using solid “dumb” props.

joefavs said:

If we could get a film with Rogue One’s brain and TFA’s heart, we’d have a perfect late period Star Wars movie. Here’s lookin’ at you, Rian.

That’s a great way of putting it. I felt the same way: I have issues with TFA, but character development was top notch.

Here are the differences that were mentioned over at the Puggo thread. Most of them are from Trooperman who first noticed the discrepancies.

I just noticed another deviation- when Luke kicks Vader in the carbon-freezing chamber, he goes “Uhhh” instead of “Ahhh.”

Yoda makes a frightened “Ehhhhh!” sound just before Luke says “Like we’re being watched” and points his blaster at him.

“Oh, this is suicide!  There’s nowhere to go.”  present on the mono folddown.

Hmm… C3PO only says “Hello?” once when he thinks he hears an R2 unit AND the troop’s voice is different… AND the droid’s “Eh chuta” sounds like a different take

When R2 is being loaded into Luke’s X-Wing, C-3PO says the word “and” more audibly before saying "do take good care of yourself."present
 
C3PO has an ADDITIONAL LINE (not documented elsewhere) at the beginning of the carbon freezing scene.  “Oh dear, what now?  I don’t like the look of this.”

Yoda training scene
35mm:
"Ehh…run!"
70mm mono fold-down:
“YES…run!”

-Right after the magic tree scene, 16mm features the classic TIE sound effects from “Star Wars”.  The 35mm does not.
-Right after Luke puts the charge into the AT-AT and blows it up, the very next speeder Veers’ AT-AT shoots down has an airplane sound effect in the 35mm which is mixed much, much softer in the mono.
-Music is generally mixed much more prominently, with much punchier brass and violins, in this mono track.  For a good example see the Hoth base scene right after the power generator is blown up. The music is inaudible in the 35mm and only fades in when 3PO appears- the missing music is not only audible, but very prominent in the mono 
-For instance, in that very same scene, right before Leia falls down, she screams twice in the mono mix.  No extra explosion before she falls.
-And as C3PO is climbing up the ramp, the most prominent sound in the mono mix is the flutes and the swooping strings.  In the 35mm, it’s C3PO footsteps on the ramp, and the ramp sound effect- only to have to dial the music back up for the next scene (Vader).
-The shot after the Falcon escapes Hoth, the X-wing flyover is not nearly as prominent in the mono-music is
-The asteroid field sequence- all the sound effects are drastically muted and some are entirely missing in the mono mix.  Focus is on the music.
-The scene right before the big Han/Leia kiss on the ship…much louder computer sound effects on the mono.
-Right after Leia screams seeing the Mynock out the window…audio of her footsteps on-set much more prominent.
-Yoda: “Consume you it will…as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice.”  For the mono mix, a different, less aggressive take of “as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice” has been spliced in.

“How ya fealin’ kid…ya don’t look so bad to me”… Chewie’s noises are all missing.

That’s exactly where we got it from. I do hold out hope that we’ll find a better quality version.

And there are differences. It’s not just levels that are adjusted.

That’s exactly where we got it from. I do hold out hope that we’ll find a better quality version.

And there are differences. It’s not just levels that are adjusted.

Non spoiler review: great movie overall. Fans will definitely nitpick on the details but it’s a worthy addition to the series.

Just got back from the film. Verdict: two thumbs up. Not perfect, but very good in its own right.

CGI Tarkin was weird and there were two OT cameos that were a little too much.

I definitely need to digest and watch it a second time.

For the second time, there is a mono mix of Empire Strikes Back that is not a fold down.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Empire-Strikes-Back-mono-mix-GOUT-sync-and-Comparison-MP3-READ-1st-POST-FOR-INFO/id/15865

Several lines are shifted (“The 1st transport is away!”) some are added (C3pO’s lines when entering the hibernation chamber) and some are changed (the stormtrooper when 3PO enters the wrong room at Cloud City).

This can be found on Despecialized as the 16mm Mono.

There actually IS a mono mix for Empire. Rare (as far as we know it only exists on a 16mm print) but it exists.

LexX said:

Mavimao said:

The master tapes are just that: the final mixed sound and outputted to audio tape.

On a production back in the days, you had your on set sound recorded on a nagra and all of this was edited and put to stems which is multi tracked tape. One track was dialogue, another was music and another was sound effects. These stems are then mixed and mastered to stereo, mono, surround sound master tapes.

I understand that but didn’t all the played audio in the film prints come from the film (on the side)? Or where else someone could get these master tapes unless working for LFL? Just wondering is this a similar case to “I wish we had the o-neg to scan it for OT.com members” or are these tapes actually around somewhere like film prints?

The sound, as played in theaters, is on the film print itself either in optical form or magnetic track.

These “master tapes” are in the hands of Lucasfilm. MikeV has friends who lent the digitized versions to him for his project. I guess a two hour AIFF/WAV file is easier to transport than gigabytes of O-neg scans.

On another note, the original stereo mix is well preserved: a member found an LD pressing whose digital track was that version so it’s as good as we’re going to get outside an official release.

The master tapes are just that: the final mixed sound and outputted to audio tape.

On a production back in the days, you had your on set sound recorded on a nagra and all of this was edited and put to stems which is multi tracked tape. One track was dialogue, another was music and another was sound effects. These stems are then mixed and mastered to stereo, mono, surround sound master tapes.

Well get some sleep and come back tomorrow! 😛

Oh man, I would love to hear you talk about the quad!!

They are most likely release prints that were never returned to the distributor or were going to be destroyed by the distributor after a run at the theaters.

People just took them. Like stealing pens from your company 😛

I once had to do this on one of my student films where I literally gouged a line down my print because I loaded it wrongly in the editing machine. Because this was on reversal, I couldn’t make a copy. So I took a sharpie and filled it in.

I can imagine something going wrong, either a crack in the cockpit set or whatever and they just took a sharpie and colored it in. Yay analogue effects!!