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DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

Valheru_84 said:

The only difference is that I don’t take any enjoyment out of it but definitely a fascination I guess of how from my perspective, Star Wars has gone so wrong from what initially looked like such a promising start to the ST.

Fair enough. The ST definitely has parts that could bother some fans. Hopefully the future spin offs and TV shows will have a more unified appeal.

Probably the opposite, the spin-offs will likely have specific appeal while the future films will be the big tent SW content.

I understand that this topic is about Episode IX, but I will admit some of my thoughts on Star Wars content. I love the original and sequel trilogies. I liked the prequels when I was a kid, but over time, I’ve begun to have more of a distaste for them, but I don’t hate them or banish them like some do. I still consider them as part of the family. Rogue One was good, but it could’ve been a little better if the characters were developed stronger. Solo was quite dull to me, which was upsetting. I thought Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover were great as Han and Lando, but the movie wasn’t all that interesting, nor was the story to me. As much as everyone loves Dave Filoni’s shows, I’m not really a fan of his work. Clone Wars was very hit and miss to me, and Rebels, while I thought it was good, could’ve been much much stronger. Dave Filoni seems like he knows Star Wars well, but I feel like I’m watching someone try to make Star Wars, rather than making Star Wars. And that has nothing to do with the show’s being animated, I LOVE animation, I just don’t think it worked out with what Filoni was doing. However, I really loved the original Clone Wars micro-series. With the sequel trilogy, I felt that Abrams and Johnson knew how to write, direct, and make Star Wars. Filoni’s content just seems watered down in comparison, not necessarily by its target audience, but by its tone and elements.

Valheru_84 said:

^ I think the matter is probably just a combination of your below comment and LordZerome1080 taking it rather literally 😉

nl0428 said:
If there is someone who owns the despecialized trilogy, could you please send all three of them to me in a private message please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klH2F08hp_A

Valheru_84 said:

nl0428 said:

Valheru_84 said:

Oh I’m very interested to see how the train wreck comes to a final rest so I can look at the mangled mess and move on, knowing that it’s finally stopped and I can actually start forgetting about it. Bit hard to be a Star Wars fan at the moment and not see all the usual stuff about the next episode and I guess you could say I have a morbid curiosity.

What I have zero interest in is paying to see IX at the cinemas or reading up on theories and additional content on the ST, especially if it concerns “Reylo”.

I’m sorry you don’t like the sequel trilogy, but I am a fan of the trilogy. If you don’t like The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, then you don’t need to go see Episode IX then. I hated Michael Bay’s Transformers movies, so I stopped going to see them. The more you watch, the more movies will be made by giving them your money.

No problem, the fact you like it is fine though and all I was saying is that I don’t understand how you expect Kylo and Rey to still get together after that chance was missed in TLJ. Rey would have to deviate massively from her current character arc (if you can call it that) and be ok with all the atrocities and blood on Kylo’s hands.

I did like TFA originally but it required the next movie or two to do a lot of explaining and that simply didn’t happen and as a result TFA becomes a pretty mediocre movie itself. So yeah, I definitely won’t be paying for a ticket to IX as there is literally no point for me.

I’m sorry you feel that way. Maybe if the reviews are strong, it could bring you to the cinema. I was originally not planning on seeing Wonder Woman after how disappointed I was with Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad. However, the word of mouth came out for Wonder Woman, I went out to see it, and I thought it was great.

LordZerome1080 said:

My apologies.

That’s alright. I know that’s illegal to sell fan edits for money. I would never do that with my edits or anyone else’s.

screams in the void said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

nl0428 said:

Valheru_84 said:

^ Sorry but I’m not interested in any theories or reading any books that “explain” things. If it’s not in the movie then it doesn’t form part of my initial understanding, feelings and reaction to it.

It’s about the sequel trilogy.

Hence why I’m not the least bit interested.

Sorry.

Not the least bit interested in anything about the sequel trilogy… but constantly posting in a thread about an upcoming film in said trilogy…

^this +1 . We get it ,you don’t like it …these aren’t the droids your looking for …move along …move along …

DISNEY/LUCASFILM: You were the target audience! You were supposed to love the trilogy, not hate it! Bring joy to the fanbase, not leave it in hatred! ;P

oojason said:

Hi Noah,

This thread may be of some assistance and interest mate:-

Some info & help for Harmy’s Despecialized Editions of the Original Trilogy…
 

and solkap (along with a few others) also very kindly and generously give a lot of time and effort to answer many people’s questions - and any difficulties in obtaining the Depsecialized Editions, in his thread, here:-

NJVC Custom Blu-ray Set of Harmy’s Despecialized Editions now available on Mega
 

Good luck with it man.
 

Thank you. I’ll try it and see what will happen. I tried to obtain the trilogy last year, and I ended up accidentally erasing all of my edits just to get the despecialized trilogy.

Valheru_84 said:

Oh I’m very interested to see how the train wreck comes to a final rest so I can look at the mangled mess and move on, knowing that it’s finally stopped and I can actually start forgetting about it. Bit hard to be a Star Wars fan at the moment and not see all the usual stuff about the next episode and I guess you could say I have a morbid curiosity.

What I have zero interest in is paying to see IX at the cinemas or reading up on theories and additional content on the ST, especially if it concerns “Reylo”.

I’m sorry you don’t like the sequel trilogy, but I am a fan of the trilogy. If you don’t like The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, then you don’t need to go see Episode IX then. I hated Michael Bay’s Transformers movies, so I stopped going to see them. The more you watch, the more movies will be made by giving them your money.

Valheru_84 said:

^ Sorry but I’m not interested in any theories or reading any books that “explain” things. If it’s not in the movie then it doesn’t form part of my initial understanding, feelings and reaction to it.

At least give it a watch. It’s about the sequel trilogy.

Valheru_84 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Valheru_84 said:

and Rian had to have his umpteenth subversion.

Buy Rey rejecting Kylo wasn’t a subversion at all. Having her join him would have been a subversion, since we expect the hero to reject the offer to join the villain, like Luke and basically every hero in every story ever.

But Rian = The Worst Thing That’s Ever Happened to Star Wars, so gotta make stuff up to be pissed at him for when there isn’t anything there I guess, huh?

You’re right actually, I just got so conditioned to him doing it that I lumped that expectation in with the rest of the subversions. Thinking about it now, if Rey HAD joined him then that would have been one subversion (the only one) that would have actually worked for me, instead of coming off as another cheap “gotcha” trick.

Rian is certainly the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars in my books as for me he essentially killed the new trilogy and the possibility of enjoying a larger saga than the original 6 part one. His movie literally killed joy and interest in new Star Wars movies for me.

nl0428 said:
When Rey shut the Falcon’s door, she wasn’t turning him off in an act that she can’t trust him anymore, but in an act to show him that he needs to find where he truly belongs within himself before she can allow him to come to her. She’s not turning Ben away forever, but only until he begins to become and realize the person he needs to become in order for him to be with her. Ben begins to slowly come to a realization when he looks down in loneliness, defeat, and feeling upset. Very much how he felt weakened when he killed his father. You can tell just from reading the looks on Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver’s faces.

Kylo is responsible for killing most/all of Luke’s students, murdering Han Solo in cold blood in front of Rey, being an enabling part of an organisation that wiped out BILLIONS of people and other alien races in the destruction of the Hosnian system and who knows how many other atrocities. Kylo is supposedly the reason Luke does a 180 flip on his OT character as we knew him, causing Luke to go hide on an island while he waits to die alone. Luke’s absence is a major factor in Snoke and the First Order rising to power unchallenged. You think after all that Rey will enter into a loving relationship with this utterly evil, deranged and mentally unstable excuse for a human with a galaxy worth of blood on his hands??

There might yet be a path back to the light side and redemption for Kylo as with Vader but Rey is actually correct in calling him a monster, which she seems to forget 2-3 force-skype sessions later and if she ends up “with him” in IX that would be completely fucked up and the only way it could have made sense was if she went to the dark side and gave into some dark, evil desires she had been suppressing till now. Luke even comments earlier how she went straight to the dark side during her lesson, that she didn’t even try to resist it and this would have been the perfect lead in to her joining Kylo. Yet for some reason this leads no where and I think this is where my original thought that her not joining Kylo was a subversion as Rian had set up a few things to try and lead one to think that’s where it might be heading.

ChainsawAsh said:
Eh, there are some things about TLJ that were clearly designed specifically to subvert audience expectations, but it’s certainly nowhere near as prevalent in the film as the internet would lead you to believe.

It’s certainly not every minute or anything like that but it is a consistent theme running throughout the entire movie and this is based on my own experience, not what the internet says 😉 It’s one of the main things I recognised early on for myself when I started to internalise afterwards why I felt like shit after watching what was supposed to be a Star Wars movie.

Tell me what you think of this theory video. This is by the defunct YouTuber, Vincent Vendetta. He made this before The Last Jedi came out.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view

ChainsawAsh said:

nl0428 said:

Valheru_84 said:

I simply can’t understand a future for Star Wars where people want Rey and Kylo to actually be together in the movies after the events of TLJ. The world of Star Wars is already inside out without making it a complete chaotic mess.

The only chance that possible direction had was if Rey turned to the dark side in joining with Ben in TLJ and that ship has long since sailed and despite my grievances with TLJ I really wish they had done this as it a number of things would make a lot more sense and be something we haven’t yet seen in Star Wars.

Alas, Disney couldn’t have their new leading woman be seen as evil and Rian had to have his umpteenth subversion.

When Rey shut the Falcon’s door, she wasn’t turning him off in an act that she can’t trust him anymore, but in an act to show him that he needs to find where he truly belongs within himself before she can allow him to come to her. She’s not turning Ben away forever, but only until he begins to become and realize the person he needs to become in order for him to be with her.

Man, I really hope this isn’t where things are going in IX…

I’m sorry that you’re not a fan of that particular direction, but I believe it is something that was planned as a story thread for the trilogy. I actually like the Rey and Kylo Ben romance that Abrams and Johnson have made, but I know that everyone hasn’t been won over completely yet.

Valheru_84 said:

I simply can’t understand a future for Star Wars where people want Rey and Kylo to actually be together in the movies after the events of TLJ. The world of Star Wars is already inside out without making it a complete chaotic mess.

The only chance that possible direction had was if Rey turned to the dark side in joining with Ben in TLJ and that ship has long since sailed and despite my grievances with TLJ I really wish they had done this as it a number of things would make a lot more sense and be something we haven’t yet seen in Star Wars.

Alas, Disney couldn’t have their new leading woman be seen as evil and Rian had to have his umpteenth subversion.

When Rey shut the Falcon’s door, she wasn’t turning him off in an act that she can’t trust him anymore, but in an act to show him that he needs to find where he truly belongs within himself before she can allow him to come to her. She’s not turning Ben away forever, but only until he begins to become and realize the person he needs to become in order for him to be with her. Ben begins to slowly come to a realization when he looks down in loneliness, defeat, and feeling upset. Very much how he felt weakened when he killed his father. You can tell just from reading the looks on Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver’s faces.

ChainsawAsh said:

The only way I’d be okay with a X/XI/XII and beyond is if Kylo has offspring that the next trilogy focuses on. Numbered saga films should be about the Skywalkers at this point, otherwise they should be a separate series that isn’t Episode X/XI/XII.

Of course, if Lucas hadn’t made I-VI into “The Saga of Anakin Skywalker,” I’d be fine with IX being the last we see of the Skywalker bloodline, with X-XII having nothing to do with that family. But since that’s what the movies turned into, there’s no reason not to begin a new saga that isn’t Episode X+ if they aren’t continuing the Skywalker family past Kylo.

I agree. I think a fourth trilogy could be based around Rey, Ben, and their kids.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I don’t think George settled on how episodes there’d be until the Prequels. The Sequels seem like an afterthought to keep Lucasfilm busy and successful, and appealing for the Disney buyout. I don’t think he was all that invested in them.

I agree. I do think that George Lucas, in some ways, was just going to sit on the franchise and not do anything with the saga. I know that there were still other projects occurring like the TV shows, but I don’t think we were ever going to get anymore movies after the Revenge of the Sith. I believe we are blessed that Disney is making Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, as well as more movies to come in the future, as this is something they know is important to people, yet it is still very successful.

SilverWook said:

George was saying at least as early as 1987 he would return to Star Wars one day.

I know. But even then, they were not definitive answers. Lucas has changed his mind several times in the past. Just look at his thoughts on how he felt about making the original trilogy compared to every time he’s added and altered things with every special edition release.

SilverWook said:

nl0428 said:

I’d also like to ask something the strangely happened ever since The Last Jedi came out. Ever since The Force Awakens came out, fans were talking about things that could potentially happen in the future with the saga beyond the sequel trilogy. Now that The Last Jedi came out, fans are now saying that they want not only the trilogy, but the entire saga to wrap up. I know that there are many people who hate The Last Jedi, but it seems as if it just killed everybody’s excitement for the main saga all of a sudden. Why is this?

Maybe some people just want a definitive ending to the main saga? The joke going around when the new films were announced was they would be making them long after most of us are dead.
Thing is, even if they did say it was the end, we’ve been fed that line before…

I understand, but even then, George Lucas changed his mind several times in the past. When the original trilogy finished, he said he was done, and left to work on other projects, father his kids, etc. Years later, his interest in making the prequels sparked, so he decided to make the first three episodes he had thought up and wrote early drafts for when developing the original trilogy. After the prequel trilogy wrapped up, George stated that the saga (in his original vision) was complete. He did have early ideas and drafts for a possible third and fourth trilogy if he decided to make them, but at that point, he didn’t have any intentions to do so. When he sold Lucasfilm to Disney, he pitched his story ideas for the sequel trilogy, but they discarded his ideas. This is why Lucas has had some distaste for the sequel trilogy, because they didn’t accept his ideas. Some elements of his ideas were kept, yet revised, such as a lead female character named Kira, who later became Rey, and Luke Skywalker would be an old Jedi hermit who abandoned his ways. You can find concept art of this early idea of Luke (with old Mark Hamill’s likeness) with milky white eyes and a Japanese-like man bun. However, it was revealed about a year ago that Lucas’ plans for the sequel trilogy would mainly deal with midi-chlorians and the creation of the Force. Considering that fans (myself included) did not like how the mystical concept of the Force was explained like super powers in the prequels, I think we can safely say that it’s good that George’s plans for VII, VIII, and IX did not happen.

As for Episode IX’s marketing, I think that it will be marketed as the last installment of the sequel trilogy, but not the main saga. I believe that Lucasfilm will give Episode IX a conclusive, yet open ending to the possibility of Episodes X, XI, and XII happening some day in the years to come. Now that George Lucas is gone, I’m sure that the same case of marketing the final installment of the trilogy as the conclusion to the overall saga will not be the case, if they have plans to continue it onwards. I believe that there is some intention of continuing the saga with a fourth trilogy in the next ten to twenty years to come.

I’d also like to ask something the strangely happened ever since The Last Jedi came out. Ever since The Force Awakens came out, fans were talking about things that could potentially happen in the future with the saga beyond the sequel trilogy. Now that The Last Jedi came out, fans are now saying that they want not only the trilogy, but the entire saga to wrap up. I know that there are many people who hate The Last Jedi, but it seems as if it just killed everybody’s excitement for the main saga all of a sudden. Why is this?

SilverWook said:

Yep!

So we should look at the original Marvel run for clues?

Exactly my point. I even have a novel that was released as promotional material for Revenge of the Sith’s release called “The Last of the Jedi” that’s focused on Obi-Wan exiled on Tatooine.

I know that the title “Balance of the Force” has been used on some Star Wars content in the past, but the title “The Last Jedi” was also used before in the past too.

Whoops! I just realized that. My mistake! Sorry! Didn’t mean to post the link twice.

A video that every Star Wars fan must watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdVtKHRTfe8&t=2s

Mocata said:

I hope we never see anything prequel or Special Edition related. But a Disney push to sell the whole thing as one big product wouldn’t be surprising after the nonsensical Maul scene in Solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klH2F08hp_A

Does anyone here think there’s a chance that we could see a scene of Ben talking with the Force ghosts of Luke and Anakin, with Hayden Christensen returning? I don’t like fan service, but this would be a usage of fan service used in a smart way that adds an element to the characters and story, since Ben looks up to his grandfather.

Mocata said:

I’d put money on not only it being Jakku, but someone will say something like “Why does everyone want to go back to Jakku” to wink at the audience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klH2F08hp_A

RogueLeader said:

That is true. I love that there is a whole new group of female Star Wars fans. Also, a lot of the female fans, either on reddit, podcasts or Tumblr, also tend to have some really great analyses on the movies and characters.

I agree, but I believe that it is important to make certain things that you are a fan of appealing to some audiences to understand why you love it. When I first discovered “Reylo” about a month after I saw The Force Awakens, I didn’t think it would happen and dismissed it as typical fangirl shipping. It wasn’t until a year later (before The Last Jedi came out) that I saw Vincent Vendetta’s Reylo theory video (the video I posted earlier on this thread). I saw his Rey Kenobi theory, and I was surprised with the amount of detail and research put into it. He mentioned that he would be making a Reylo theory video, which got me interested based off how good I thought his Rey Kenobi video was. Once I saw his Reylo video, I was surprised, shocked, yet also won over and liked the possibility that this could be where the story could go. I left all expectations at the door when I saw The Last Jedi, and by the time when the two touched each others’ hands, I was shocked that Lucasfilm was indeed heading in this direction. I thought it was done so well that I eventually became a fan of this “Reylo” story. Unfortunately, I think fangirls, in some way, should understand that if you want to try to convince and win fans over to believing Reylo will happen, then I think creating fan art such as both characters wearing the slave Leia costume will not help. I just hope that this whole “Reylo” thing will be viewed with interest and potential to the Star Wars story, rather than an Internet shipping meme.

oojason said:

John Boyega wrapped as well today…

https://twitter.com/JohnBoyega/status/1096502278155108357 - ‘That’s a wrap on Star Wars episode 9 and the end to a chapter of my life that I couldn’t be more thankful for. What a process! It really has been a joy to be in these movies surrounded by amazing people. JJ thank you for making my dreams come true.’

Along with the same picture JJ posted earlier.
 

John Boyega apparently got more positive responses to his tweet than J.J. Abrams did from people.