Master Lawdog

pleasehello said:

nl0428 said:

RogueLeader said:

Yeah, despite my own gripes with the score, I go back and listen to it a lot this past year, even more than the other scores. I catch my self going back to The Spark and The Last Jedi a lot. Luke emerging from the base and then later when it is revealed he is still on Ach-To are such great moments. I like listening to Ach-To Island, The Supremacy and New Alliance a lot too.

I was a little surprised there wasn’t a Ben/Rey theme. A theme could still show up in the last film, but I imagine it will be some kind of play on Rey and Kylo’s theme, maybe.

It was noted that the first three notes in Rey’s theme are the same as the last three notes in Kylo Ren’s theme. It’s also been compared that they are the same three notes in Anakin and Padmé’s love theme, Across the Stars, but in reverse.

There may be intent behind that first observation. The second one seems purely like a coincidence: there are only so many intervals to work with when you’re creating tonal music.

Don’t underestimate the musical mastermind that is John Williams!

DominicCobb said:

Lesser said:

Yeah on it’s own, TLJ’s score is still good to listen to like the others. Hope IX knocks it and TFA’s score out of the water though, and I think Powell should definitely do more Star Wars scores.

I agree, I thought Solo’s score was on par or better than a couple of Williams’s (the latter prequels).

I had always attributed any of the Falcon’s theme as Han’s theme as well growing up, but I am glad he has his own personal theme now as well.

The Falcon doesn’t technically have a theme. I suppose you might mean the Rebel fanfare? It’s become more associated with the Falcon overtime but has been used for other things as well.

What’s Poe’s theme outside of March of the Resistance though?

Only has a handful of plays in each movie, many of which didn’t make it into the soundtracks. Here’s a couple:

https://youtu.be/cHJrfB7VquM?t=77

https://youtu.be/1jGDKkxjo8s?t=65

https://youtu.be/p9hRK005s8c?t=160

https://youtu.be/chJumPSPsF8?t=166

Sounds like an idea someone could make use of in a fan edit of their own.

RogueLeader said:

Yeah, despite my own gripes with the score, I go back and listen to it a lot this past year, even more than the other scores. I catch my self going back to The Spark and The Last Jedi a lot. Luke emerging from the base and then later when it is revealed he is still on Ach-To are such great moments. I like listening to Ach-To Island, The Supremacy and New Alliance a lot too.

I was a little surprised there wasn’t a Ben/Rey theme. A theme could still show up in the last film, but I imagine it will be some kind of play on Rey and Kylo’s theme, maybe.

It was noted that the first three notes in Rey’s theme are the same as the last three notes in Kylo Ren’s theme. It’s also been compared that they are the same three notes in Anakin and Padmé’s love theme, Across the Stars, but in reverse.

Lesser said:

Zachary VIII said:

I don’t get why people bring up Vader’s redemption when saying Kylo should survive IX and be forgiven. Vader died in the end, even though he was redeemed. It would be really weird if he survived and showed up in the celebration scene of RotJ wearing white armor or something, with everyone being friends after a short apology like it’s an episode of My Little Pony.
Ben has to face some type of consequences or else it cheapens the impact of his previous actions. At the very least, even if he’s redeemed, he should exile himself like how Ulic Qel-Droma did.

100% agreed. I’ve seen good civil conversations on this site so far and hope nothing I say comes off as rude or condescending to anybody. Just my thoughts, so correct me if you feel. Firstly, I don’t even understand how the whole Reylo is a good message for the future generation. You can’t have Kylo violate Rey’s mind in front of the ashes of his victims, murder his own father, allow the destruction of entire planets, and have him be forgiven because love. It makes sense for Luke to want to redeem his father despite Vader’s actions, because Luke only ever cared about his father growing up. Rey barely knows Kylo and had to endure a lot of pain and suffering because of him, so she can’t fall in love with him no matter how sorry she feels for him after only one conversation in a hut, unless she’s severely damaged in the head.

If Anakin survived ROTJ, then he would face the consequences of his actions. He was only redeemed in Luke’s eyes and to the force itself by fulfilling his prophecy. Leia would certainly not forgive her father for years, probably decades. I feel like if they really wanted to shock the audience and have the story be satisfying to more people, then Leia should’ve been the one that was tempted to kill her son for becoming a new Vader, not Luke. This way, Leia learns something about forgiveness and maybe understands Anakin better, and the audience can finally see her deal with Vader being her father, since it’s almost like she doesn’t really care (other than in Bloodline by Claudia Grey).

Anakin’s death was not his punishment for redemption. He didn’t even have say a sentence. He sacrificed himself to save his son.

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions, but I also think it’s important to not set yourself up for disappointment by marrying yourself to theories and speculations that you’ve come up with. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson have been telling this story, and I believe that by the time Episode IX comes out, people will either understand the story/trilogy, or still not be fans.

That’s good advice man, to all of us. Personally, I just wish they had made George’s sequel trilogy instead. I don’t like this retreading they’re doing in the new movies. George’s trilogy sounds so crazy and new, so I wish we could’ve had that instead. Then they could’ve done this retreading plot line.

I believe that this is a technique that George Lucas had for the saga that Abrams and Johnson are continuing. Here’s what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ZW1gtCljs

Oh I totally agree with the poetry stuff. That was genius. I meant retreading in the sense that the stories similar. I’m fine with things happening in a similar fashion, but not when the exact same story with different characters is being told. That’s just pointless.

I don’t think the same story is being told. I thought The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi felt different. They did follow a similar act structure to the original trilogy in some ways, but I never felt like I was watching the same story all over again.

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions, but I also think it’s important to not set yourself up for disappointment by marrying yourself to theories and speculations that you’ve come up with. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson have been telling this story, and I believe that by the time Episode IX comes out, people will either understand the story/trilogy, or still not be fans.

That’s good advice man, to all of us. Personally, I just wish they had made George’s sequel trilogy instead. I don’t like this retreading they’re doing in the new movies. George’s trilogy sounds so crazy and new, so I wish we could’ve had that instead. Then they could’ve done this retreading plot line.

I believe that this is a technique that George Lucas had for the saga that Abrams and Johnson are continuing. Here’s what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ZW1gtCljs

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.

This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this. “Murdering his Nephew??” Jesus christ eye roll

Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory then what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.

The first time the audience begins to sympathize with Ben is his first scene in The Last Jedi. He is berated by Snoke and smashes his mask in frustration and anger towards his master. We had already have seen some humanity in him when he was conflicted about killing Han on the catwalk, but here we see more of who he is and how he feels. He even decides to not shoot his mother, due to how weakened he felt when he gave into the Dark Side to kill his father. It shows how there is still light in him by showing how he still feels for his family, despite feeling betrayed by them.

As for the direction for Luke, I was quite disappointed by his actions as first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. There’s a reason as to why the original characters are slightly different in the sequel trilogy than they were in the original trilogy, and it’s because of progression and evolution. Even though Luke was a hero by saving his father, that didn’t mean that his character would remain the same in the years to come. He for filled Yoda’s promise by passing on what he had learned, but he changed dramatically as he became older and more importantly, took on the role of a Jedi Master, a teacher. He’s now an uncle, and he now takes responsibility for his actions. Look at Han for example. In the original trilogy, he didn’t believe in the Force, but now he does, and he’s now older and a father. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia have never had the chance to become in the original trilogy, parents. For first timers, it can be hard and difficult. I love how realistic the characters are portrayed, as it adds and extra layer of depth to each one of them.

This is kind of interesting. When you explain it like that, I guess it would make a bit more sense for Luke to do that. He wasn’t going to risk the galaxy plunging back into darkness over 1 person. BUT, I think the real reason this has divided fans is because there was no build up to this. If we saw this journey of Luke that you just described over a couple of movies, then we might’ve accepted this turn a bit more. But to jump forward in time like this, totally polarizes what we remember him being and how he is now. How did Luke get to this point? What kind of person is he now? We’ll never really be able to understand him the same way. Once again, the issue seems to be that the audience never experiences the proper build up for these events.

You may like this. This is a theory video from a now defunct YouTuber, Vincent Vendetta. He made this before The Last Jedi came out. This is about how Rey and Kylo Ren could have a romantic relationship, which I believe is a plan that was made and is being played out in the trilogy.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view

I remember this guy. His vids were cool, shame he’s gone. The romance makes sense to me (it sounds like something Disney would go for), but I don’t understand why they haven’t built it up a bit more at this point. Either way, these backstories are getting too convoluted for the characters. I don’t think people want to see “Reylo”. Kylo isn’t sympathetic enough to the average movie goer.

Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions, but I also think it’s important to not set yourself up for disappointment by marrying yourself to theories and speculations that you’ve come up with. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson have been telling this story, and I believe that by the time Episode IX comes out, people will either understand the story/trilogy, or still not be fans.

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.

This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this. “Murdering his Nephew??” Jesus christ eye roll

Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory then what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.

The first time the audience begins to sympathize with Ben is his first scene in The Last Jedi. He is berated by Snoke and smashes his mask in frustration and anger towards his master. We had already have seen some humanity in him when he was conflicted about killing Han on the catwalk, but here we see more of who he is and how he feels. He even decides to not shoot his mother, due to how weakened he felt when he gave into the Dark Side to kill his father. It shows how there is still light in him by showing how he still feels for his family, despite feeling betrayed by them.

As for the direction for Luke, I was quite disappointed by his actions as first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. There’s a reason as to why the original characters are slightly different in the sequel trilogy than they were in the original trilogy, and it’s because of progression and evolution. Even though Luke was a hero by saving his father, that didn’t mean that his character would remain the same in the years to come. He for filled Yoda’s promise by passing on what he had learned, but he changed dramatically as he became older and more importantly, took on the role of a Jedi Master, a teacher. He’s now an uncle, and he now takes responsibility for his actions. Look at Han for example. In the original trilogy, he didn’t believe in the Force, but now he does, and he’s now older and a father. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia have never had the chance to become in the original trilogy, parents. For first timers, it can be hard and difficult. I love how realistic the characters are portrayed, as it adds and extra layer of depth to each one of them.

This is kind of interesting. When you explain it like that, I guess it would make a bit more sense for Luke to do that. He wasn’t going to risk the galaxy plunging back into darkness over 1 person. BUT, I think the real reason this has divided fans is because there was no build up to this. If we saw this journey of Luke that you just described over a couple of movies, then we might’ve accepted this turn a bit more. But to jump forward in time like this, totally polarizes what we remember him being and how he is now. How did Luke get to this point? What kind of person is he now? We’ll never really be able to understand him the same way. Once again, the issue seems to be that the audience never experiences the proper build up for these events.

You may like this. This is a theory video from a now defunct YouTuber, Vincent Vendetta. He made this before The Last Jedi came out. This is about how Rey and Kylo Ren could have a romantic relationship, which I believe is a plan that was made and is being played out in the trilogy.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.

This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this. “Murdering his Nephew??” Jesus christ eye roll

Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory then what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.

The first time the audience begins to sympathize with Ben is his first scene in The Last Jedi. He is berated by Snoke and smashes his mask in frustration and anger towards his master. We had already have seen some humanity in him when he was conflicted about killing Han on the catwalk, but here we see more of who he is and how he feels. He even decides to not shoot his mother, due to how weakened he felt when he gave into the Dark Side to kill his father. It shows how there is still light in him by showing how he still feels for his family, despite feeling betrayed by them.

As for the direction for Luke, I was quite disappointed by his actions as first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. There’s a reason as to why the original characters are slightly different in the sequel trilogy than they were in the original trilogy, and it’s because of progression and evolution. Even though Luke was a hero by saving his father, that didn’t mean that his character would remain the same in the years to come. He for filled Yoda’s promise by passing on what he had learned, but he changed dramatically as he became older and more importantly, took on the role of a Jedi Master, a teacher. He’s now an uncle, and he now takes responsibility for his actions. Look at Han for example. In the original trilogy, he didn’t believe in the Force, but now he does, and he’s now older and a father. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia have never had the chance to become in the original trilogy, parents. For first timers, it can be hard and difficult. I love how realistic the characters are portrayed, as it adds and extra layer of depth to each one of them.

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.

Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?

Han and Leia, while they loved him, didn’t spend enough time with him as a child. Both were busy leading the Rebellion (now the Resistance) while Ben felt isolated at times. Han was always jumping back and forth from still smuggling (before he went back full time after Ben’s downfall) and Leia became a hard-working senator in the new Republic. Both of their busy lives took up the majority of their lives when Ben was younger, as if he was abandoned. Even when they sent him to Luke’s academy, Ben still felt that he was being looked aside from his family, adding more to his depression and loneliness. This is the same abandonment and lonely feeling that Rey had been suffering from on Jakku. This is what led Snoke to manipulate him, as he was in a vulnerable place in his life and he was strong in the Force. Snoke had been successful in manipulating Ben at a young age, making him feel like he had a place with the him and the Dark Side. Once Luke had seen the corruption Snoke was causing to his nephew, he acted upon instinct. Rather than attempting to comfort his nephew and help him understand and be a good uncle, Luke thought only about the academy he had built. This is why Luke took out his lightsaber, thinking about his work over his family. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia all failed in. It isn’t until Luke realized what he was about to do when igniting his saber. Ben took it upon this moment to turn to the Dark Side and destroy Luke’s academy at this point. He still could’ve been saved in that moment, but because of the mistake Luke had made, the abandoning acts made by his family, and Snoke’s manipulations, he was led to believe that his uncle was going to kill him, which he very nearly thought about doing. Ben acted upon self defense and took Snoke’s advice. Even when Rey asks Luke if he created Kylo Ren, you could even see that he had a part to play in Ben’s turn.

Okay I see your point. I guess that makes him slightly more along the lines of a Hamlet. However, we never saw any of this in the movies.

And even if we did, those circumstances don’t seem like they’d be enough to explain why a teenager would go on a murderous rampage. That’s kind of a crazy jump to make. If my Uncle was a teacher, and he tried to kill me, I wouldn’t escape and then kill all of his students. Revenge like that is ridiculously immature.

All of these acts were from the influences and teachings of Snoke.

How did he influence him? What were his teachings? How did they even meet? We don’t know anything about these characters, and they make fundamental changes to the story.

I still don’t see how a boy who lets a stranger like Snoke influence him into killing people, makes him a sympathetic character. I can think of a lot of Nazis who have an arc like this, and we don’t sympathize with them. A person can always make a decision NOT to kill people. “Someone told me to do it” is not an excuse. It just reveals that the character is weak and cannot make decision for himself.

Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.

Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?

Han and Leia, while they loved him, didn’t spend enough time with him as a child. Both were busy leading the Rebellion (now the Resistance) while Ben felt isolated at times. Han was always jumping back and forth from still smuggling (before he went back full time after Ben’s downfall) and Leia became a hard-working senator in the new Republic. Both of their busy lives took up the majority of their lives when Ben was younger, as if he was abandoned. Even when they sent him to Luke’s academy, Ben still felt that he was being looked aside from his family, adding more to his depression and loneliness. This is the same abandonment and lonely feeling that Rey had been suffering from on Jakku. This is what led Snoke to manipulate him, as he was in a vulnerable place in his life and he was strong in the Force. Snoke had been successful in manipulating Ben at a young age, making him feel like he had a place with the him and the Dark Side. Once Luke had seen the corruption Snoke was causing to his nephew, he acted upon instinct. Rather than attempting to comfort his nephew and help him understand and be a good uncle, Luke thought only about the academy he had built. This is why Luke took out his lightsaber, thinking about his work over his family. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia all failed in. It isn’t until Luke realized what he was about to do when igniting his saber. Ben took it upon this moment to turn to the Dark Side and destroy Luke’s academy at this point. He still could’ve been saved in that moment, but because of the mistake Luke had made, the abandoning acts made by his family, and Snoke’s manipulations, he was led to believe that his uncle was going to kill him, which he very nearly thought about doing. Ben acted upon self defense and took Snoke’s advice. Even when Rey asks Luke if he created Kylo Ren, you could even see that he had a part to play in Ben’s turn.

Okay I see your point. I guess that makes him slightly more along the lines of a Hamlet. However, we never saw any of this in the movies.

And even if we did, those circumstances don’t seem like they’d be enough to explain why a teenager would go on a murderous rampage. That’s kind of a crazy jump to make. If my Uncle was a teacher, and he tried to kill me, I wouldn’t escape and then kill all of his students. Revenge like that is ridiculously immature.

All of these acts were from the influences and teachings of Snoke.

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.

Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?

Han and Leia, while they loved him, didn’t spend enough time with him as a child. Both were busy leading the Rebellion (now the Resistance) while Ben felt isolated at times. Han was always jumping back and forth from still smuggling (before he went back full time after Ben’s downfall) and Leia became a hard-working senator in the new Republic. Both of their busy lives took up the majority of their lives when Ben was younger, as if he was abandoned. Even when they sent him to Luke’s academy, Ben still felt that he was being looked aside from his family, adding more to his depression and loneliness. This is the same abandonment and lonely feeling that Rey had been suffering from on Jakku. This is what led Snoke to manipulate him, as he was in a vulnerable place in his life and he was strong in the Force. Snoke had been successful in manipulating Ben at a young age, making him feel like he had a place with the him and the Dark Side. Once Luke had seen the corruption Snoke was causing to his nephew, he acted upon instinct. Rather than attempting to comfort his nephew and help him understand and be a good uncle, Luke thought only about the academy he had built. This is why Luke took out his lightsaber, thinking about his work over his family. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia all failed in. It isn’t until Luke realized what he was about to do when igniting his saber. Ben took it upon this moment to turn to the Dark Side and destroy Luke’s academy at this point. He still could’ve been saved in that moment, but because of the mistake Luke had made, the abandoning acts made by his family, and Snoke’s manipulations, he was led to believe that his uncle was going to kill him, which he very nearly thought about doing. Ben acted upon self defense and took Snoke’s advice. Even when Rey asks Luke if he created Kylo Ren, you could even see that he had a part to play in Ben’s turn.

leetwall31 said:

nl0428 said:

What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.

I guess…but it’s only on his Mother’s side. And worst of all, he murdered his own father, and attempted to kill his own mother. Why should we care what happens to this dude? What are the odds the family even wants him back? They seem to be down for just killing him now. Episode 9 has to answer these questions, and like I said, it’s gonna be tough.

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.

Kylo will probably die. And he has no heir.

I’m interested to see what they do with him. If they make him repent, I hope it’s not done in a cheesy way. He needs to be punished for what he’s done, and lifetime in jail seems fair. I have this really bad feeling he’s gonna go good, he’s gonna find love somehow, and he’ll be forgiven for everything.

I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.

leetwall31 said:

Zachary VIII said:

I’m interested in how they would even do a fourth trilogy. There likely won’t be any more Skywalkers by the end of IX, and I don’t see how they can make another mainline trilogy without them.

Me too, and I think most Star Wars fans would agree with you. Honestly, Episode 7 should’ve been Episode 10. One thing I don’t like about this new trilogy is how convoluted the story is. They have to explain things to us in Flashbacks, which Star Wars shouldn’t have to do. There could’ve been a whole other trilogy to explain what happened with Luke and Kylo Ren. It doesn’t make sense to skip to this point in time, when they could’ve told us the story in order, like the other 6 movies did. This trilogy should have been the 4th trilogy.

I doubt their 4th trilogy will have Skywalkers. Assuming Luke was a virgin the whole saga, there’s no real heir.

What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.

Fang Zei said:

nl0428 said:

I am watching the Oscars right now as I am typing in this post, and I just noticed Adam Driver had a shaved face in the audience. He had just got finished with Episode IX not long before.

Was he not clean-shaven last month?

It’s interesting to note that Episode IX castmates Adam Driver and Richard E. Grant have both been nominated in the supporting actor category (for BlacKkKlansman and Can You Ever Forgive Me?, respectively) at multiple different award shows this year.

It is! That’s a hell of a coincidence to have two Episode IX actors nominated in the same category this year for Best Supporting Actor. But yeah, both Driver and Grant had to have gotten finished with principal photography not too long before the Oscars.

I am watching the Oscars right now as I am typing in this post, and I just noticed Adam Driver had a shaved face in the audience. He had just got finished with Episode IX not long before.

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

Hal 9000 said:

I wouldn’t mind checking out select episodes that are recommended, once the dust of the show settles. That’s what I did for TCW.
Personally I haven’t been able to watch much of any of the three shows because they’re just so damned ugly. I’ve said before that I’d read a novelized version of TCW.

I agree with your thoughts on the animation style. I think the look of Resistance feels cheap to me.

I would have liked all three Filoni shows to have had the Galaxy of Adventures art style.

You,re probably right. The animation in Galaxy of Adventures looks nice, but at many times, a little too simple. Especially in the faces of the characters.

Hal 9000 said:

I wouldn’t mind checking out select episodes that are recommended, once the dust of the show settles. That’s what I did for TCW.
Personally I haven’t been able to watch much of any of the three shows because they’re just so damned ugly. I’ve said before that I’d read a novelized version of TCW.

I agree with your thoughts on the animation style. I think the look of Resistance feels cheap to me.

Nerdist just put out a pretty good and funny Rey and Kylo Ren Star Wars parody in the style of A Star is Born here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Sv6fu-udU

In some way, I think we’re going to far with some of these ideas. Some of them are nice, but if they do happen, I highly believe there should be a very big space between the releases of each project. I don’t want Star Wars to be killed by too much content. I just fear that Star Wars could be turned into a dead franchise. There was a time when Star Trek was a dead series, before J.J. Abrams revived it.

John_ said:

nl0428 said:

oojason said:

pleasehello said:

Creox said:

I also think veering off too much and you have a SW indie film that a lot fewer people will want to see.

But would probably be infinitely more interesting. I’m probably in the minority here, but I would love to see a Star Wars story done on a smaller scale. You don’t need $200 million to make a good Star Wars movie.

I’d like to see more stories on a smaller scale - a short series of one-off specials - maybe the coming Disney+ service will make this more of a possibility…

(and it’s not like Disney or Lucasfilm are amatuers at maximising revenues (blu ray sales, tv rights, toys, books & comics, merchandise etc - and of course… ‘growing the brand’ 😉)

Well it just got announced today that an Obi-Wan series is coming to Disney+.

Not confirmed.

Ah crap! You’re right! I found out that it hasn’t been confirmed necessarily. Sorry for the false alarm.

oojason said:

pleasehello said:

Creox said:

I also think veering off too much and you have a SW indie film that a lot fewer people will want to see.

But would probably be infinitely more interesting. I’m probably in the minority here, but I would love to see a Star Wars story done on a smaller scale. You don’t need $200 million to make a good Star Wars movie.

I’d like to see more stories on a smaller scale - a short series of one-off specials - maybe the coming Disney+ service will make this more of a possibility…

(and it’s not like Disney or Lucasfilm are amatuers at maximising revenues (blu ray sales, tv rights, toys, books & comics, merchandise etc - and of course… ‘growing the brand’ 😉)

Well it just got announced today that an Obi-Wan series is coming to Disney+.

I wish he made an analysis video for The Last Jedi as well, but here is Chris Stuckmann’s analysis video on The Force Awakens and Star Wars as a whole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbaliPyihCY

RogueLeader said:

I don’t know if I should put my trust in JJ, but especially after the ANH similarities being a major criticism of TFA, I like to think that JJ wants to have another go at the franchise in order to do something more original.

Regardless of what anybody thinks about why reused a lot of imagery from the OT and the purpose it served, it will be nice to get more new ideas into the franchise. I"m fairly optimistic about that regarding the future of the movies and shows.
If I just had to guess, I have a feeling that The Mandalorian will be the first big thing that will start bringing both sides of the divisive fan base back together.

I am scared that The Mandalorian could give Star Wars overload, even if it is a TV show.

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

Valheru_84 said:

The only difference is that I don’t take any enjoyment out of it but definitely a fascination I guess of how from my perspective, Star Wars has gone so wrong from what initially looked like such a promising start to the ST.

Fair enough. The ST definitely has parts that could bother some fans. Hopefully the future spin offs and TV shows will have a more unified appeal.

Probably the opposite, the spin-offs will likely have specific appeal while the future films will be the big tent SW content.

As much as everyone loves Dave Filoni’s shows, I’m not really a fan of his work. Clone Wars was very hit and miss to me, and Rebels, while I thought it was good, could’ve been much much stronger. Dave Filoni seems like he knows Star Wars well, but I feel like I’m watching someone try to make Star Wars, rather than making Star Wars. And that has nothing to do with the show’s being animated, I LOVE animation, I just don’t think it worked out with what Filoni was doing. However, I really loved the original Clone Wars micro-series. With the sequel trilogy, I felt that Abrams and Johnson knew how to write, direct, and make Star Wars. Filoni’s content just seems watered down in comparison, not necessarily by its target audience, but by its tone and elements.

I like TCW, but it feels like a simplified version of the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. And there’s certain aspects like Anakin’s personality that make the series feel like it’s in a completely different universe from the films. Tone wise, Dark Horse’s Republic comics feel much closer to the movies and larger Legends timeline. Rebel’s feels like a downgrade from TCW and Resistance is even worse.

I agree with you on how Anakin was portrayed in the show. Much better than what we got from him in the prequel trilogy, but that’s for another topic. I was just sharing my personal thoughts on popular Star Wars content since I’m sometimes looked at strangely for liking things about the sequel trilogy.